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God doesn't join two people in that essence. We are to find someone we can love. "There's someone for everyone" is sort of a myth. There is if you wish to make it that way, but automatically it isn't that way. In marriage God merely recognizes the request to be joined with one another. He doesn't "instigate" it. Great perspective! How about in societies or communities that neither believes in nor accept "God" as an authority. They equally marry - who does the recognizing thing you refer to - which kind of validates the choice? My perspective it wouldn't hold much at all. For it wasn't sanctified by our father. It's by God's authority that we do become as one flesh to enjoy each other for eternity, so with it not being set out before our father I do not believe he would sanctify it. You can look at it this way. In this world marriages are only considered marriages if it's through the court system, in America. So if two people were to go through the marriage ceremony and all but not present it before the government, they would not recognize it as a marriage and or sanctify it as a marriage if you will. Uhmmm.....not really, most states recognize traditional marriages in which lovers just live together and produce kids... Yes but for the state to recognize it there has to be a marriage licence between the two. Which is where the court comes in. ...no Sir. In traditional marriage states, the elements are totally separate from that of civil marriages. No license whatsoever is required - some require only that the couple live together for specified number of years and that friends and family recognize them as couple.Thats it. Ok I was not aware of that. Anyhow, if the marriage isn't presented before our father done by a preacher then how would it be sanctified by our father? That marriage of which we're speaking of is only deemed married because of living together for a certain length of time, it's not presented before the father. Ok, how about where there are no preachers or priests? Is the father not universal in authority and omnipresent in scope? I'm wondering if you believe that moslem, hindu, buddhist marriages are not divine? |
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What do you want ??? You can either get God's advise or reject it simple as that it's a no brainer your a pastor don't make the word harder than it is Sir, I did not invite you to this discussion. I am sharing views with anyone interested in the topic. You can opt out without unnecessarily attacking anyone, ok. Thank you |
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God doesn't join two people in that essence. We are to find someone we can love. "There's someone for everyone" is sort of a myth. There is if you wish to make it that way, but automatically it isn't that way. In marriage God merely recognizes the request to be joined with one another. He doesn't "instigate" it. Great perspective! How about in societies or communities that neither believes in nor accept "God" as an authority. They equally marry - who does the recognizing thing you refer to - which kind of validates the choice? My perspective it wouldn't hold much at all. For it wasn't sanctified by our father. It's by God's authority that we do become as one flesh to enjoy each other for eternity, so with it not being set out before our father I do not believe he would sanctify it. ...so what happens when the marriage, supposedly "sanctified by the father" bitterly dissolves? How do we then define the ascribed sanctification? Presumably, whatever the Lord does shall be permanent. When impermanence results, whose act/choice is impugned? There technically isn't anything as a "divorce". The bible specifically says let no man put asunder what the father has joined. But, if one of the spouses cheats on the other, the marriage becomes obsolete. The only way to be completely absolved from the marriage is for one of the spouses to have passed away on earth. Marriages will ONLY work if both spouses push it to work. It working is through the actions the two takes towards each other through their life together. The father doesn't take our free will away therefore does not stop such from happening even though he's sanctified the marriage. Well well, here I beg to differ with you a bit. There is such a thing as "divorce" - ideally and really. It is as old as the human race and has been practiced in traditional and theocratic societies before ever Abraham was born. Yes, the Bible forbids divorce in cases of "what GOD JOINED TOGETHER" so the question is, how many marriages can confidently claim that GOD PUT them together. Being put together by God is different from being put together by a priest or pastor, etc. God sees the end from the begining, so if he puts together something he already foresaw breaking apart, then that raises question as to the wisdom. But knowing that it is impossible to overturn God's purpose, I am of the view that if God himself put a marriage together, no matter what, it will succeed. But then, the world is not a theocracy. My issue is that the rate of divorce is highest among those who readily make the claim that God put them together to start with.....that's the issue. |
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God doesn't join two people in that essence. We are to find someone we can love. "There's someone for everyone" is sort of a myth. There is if you wish to make it that way, but automatically it isn't that way. In marriage God merely recognizes the request to be joined with one another. He doesn't "instigate" it. Great perspective! How about in societies or communities that neither believes in nor accept "God" as an authority. They equally marry - who does the recognizing thing you refer to - which kind of validates the choice? My perspective it wouldn't hold much at all. For it wasn't sanctified by our father. It's by God's authority that we do become as one flesh to enjoy each other for eternity, so with it not being set out before our father I do not believe he would sanctify it. You can look at it this way. In this world marriages are only considered marriages if it's through the court system, in America. So if two people were to go through the marriage ceremony and all but not present it before the government, they would not recognize it as a marriage and or sanctify it as a marriage if you will. Uhmmm.....not really, most states recognize traditional marriages in which lovers just live together and produce kids... Yes but for the state to recognize it there has to be a marriage licence between the two. Which is where the court comes in. ...no Sir. In traditional marriage states, the elements are totally separate from that of civil marriages. No license whatsoever is required - some require only that the couple live together for specified number of years and that friends and family recognize them as couple.Thats it. |
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i dont know know too many women who keep their true feeling inside when it comes to marriage, I do think they will express to their partner, ie: I can totally see us married and having a family, or ie: we've been together for (x) amount of years when are we going to get married. those are the ways women let their men know they are waiting to marry them. As far as getting on one knee and proposing and paying for a ring, thats something that is foreign i think. I dont really know any women who have done that or are willing too. Nice approach in tackling the issue. However, do you think that the use of clues and/or suggestive languages help the matter much more than a direct proposal would? |
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As far as getting on one knee and proposing and paying for a ring, thats something that is foreign i think. I dont really know any women who have done that or are willing too. I'd be willing if I thought I could handle the rejection ...well, here's a bold woman. But why focus on the 'rejection" part? How about the converse? |
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It is unconventional but I don't see anything wrong with it. Except be careful what you wish for...... 
...Yes bro, but why "unconventional"? Who set the rules of conventionalism on this matter, especially regarding women. That's the crux of the matter here, and you just identified it. So, why do you think it is unconventional, and should it be so? or do you adovocate a revolution on this? |
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God doesn't join two people in that essence. We are to find someone we can love. "There's someone for everyone" is sort of a myth. There is if you wish to make it that way, but automatically it isn't that way. In marriage God merely recognizes the request to be joined with one another. He doesn't "instigate" it. Great perspective! How about in societies or communities that neither believes in nor accept "God" as an authority. They equally marry - who does the recognizing thing you refer to - which kind of validates the choice? My perspective it wouldn't hold much at all. For it wasn't sanctified by our father. It's by God's authority that we do become as one flesh to enjoy each other for eternity, so with it not being set out before our father I do not believe he would sanctify it. You can look at it this way. In this world marriages are only considered marriages if it's through the court system, in America. So if two people were to go through the marriage ceremony and all but not present it before the government, they would not recognize it as a marriage and or sanctify it as a marriage if you will. Uhmmm.....not really, most states recognize traditional marriages in which lovers just live together and produce kids... |
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God doesn't join two people in that essence. We are to find someone we can love. "There's someone for everyone" is sort of a myth. There is if you wish to make it that way, but automatically it isn't that way. In marriage God merely recognizes the request to be joined with one another. He doesn't "instigate" it. Great perspective! How about in societies or communities that neither believes in nor accept "God" as an authority. They equally marry - who does the recognizing thing you refer to - which kind of validates the choice? My perspective it wouldn't hold much at all. For it wasn't sanctified by our father. It's by God's authority that we do become as one flesh to enjoy each other for eternity, so with it not being set out before our father I do not believe he would sanctify it. ...so what happens when the marriage, supposedly "sanctified by the father" bitterly dissolves? How do we then define the ascribed sanctification? Presumably, whatever the Lord does shall be permanent. When impermanence results, whose act/choice is impugned? |
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I agree God doesn't find us a wife but he does recommend us what type of woman we should marry. He shows us what fruits this woman should have in proverbs. It's up to us to make our mind and choose which one we want but God tells us what woman we should look for but at the end we have the power to choose No contest about the proverbial Proverbs 31 "Virtuous Woman" which no woman - living or dead - ever attained or could attain. Eve, God's prototype woman never measured up right from inception. If God prescribes the standard of woman to choose, but doesn't directly make the choice, could it be said that we have "controlled free will" as opposed to absolute free will in this matter? No we have absolute free will. Just we have to face the consequences for our decisions. And with every action there is a reaction. Just because there are rules set out before something does not take our free will away. Free will boils down to being able to be obedient or not. And again we'll have to face the consequences of our actions if disobedient choices are made. Good take. We must take direct responsibility for our choices instead of responding like Adam : the wife YOU gave me. I think your reasoning is based on a presumption that the entire human race have biblical rules in every culture. Unfortunately this is obviously not the case. So let's broaden the reasoning to encompass the "unbelievers" ....if you don't mind. |
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God doesn't join two people in that essence. We are to find someone we can love. "There's someone for everyone" is sort of a myth. There is if you wish to make it that way, but automatically it isn't that way. In marriage God merely recognizes the request to be joined with one another. He doesn't "instigate" it. Great perspective! How about in societies or communities that neither believes in nor accept "God" as an authority. They equally marry - who does the recognizing thing you refer to - which kind of validates the choice? |
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What is this traditional notion that forbids women from boldly popping a love or marriage proposal to guys? Generally it is believed that the European woman seem to be bolder and freer to express their intentions compared to the American woman. Are women truly free in love matters? I think that women here generally think it is the man's responsibility to pop the question - looks like bondage to me. Your thoughts please.....???
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I agree God doesn't find us a wife but he does recommend us what type of woman we should marry. He shows us what fruits this woman should have in proverbs. It's up to us to make our mind and choose which one we want but God tells us what woman we should look for but at the end we have the power to choose No contest about the proverbial Proverbs 31 "Virtuous Woman" which no woman - living or dead - ever attained or could attain. Eve, God's prototype woman never measured up right from inception. If God prescribes the standard of woman to choose, but doesn't directly make the choice, could it be said that we have "controlled free will" as opposed to absolute free will in this matter? |
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Topic:
Home Wreckers Award
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i'm a better home wrecker. the end. do you have any proof of your home wrecking prowess? |
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Topic:
Home Wreckers Award
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she is a fool to open her mouth ...and why do you think she is a "fool"? I want to read your line of argument pls... |
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I have been a Pastor all my life and was taught (and taught others also) that marriage is "divine" so we are obligated to pray and "be led by God" to find him or her.
Now, I renounce such teaching after personal experiences led me to conduct indepth research which I will share at some point. Question is: Does God really find spouses for Christians? Does the Holy Spirit really "lead" believers to find their life partners? My response: No, God made us in his image as free willed beings and said, "whosoever finds a spouse, finds a good thing." The responsibility of "finding" is on the individual, not on God. For proponents of "God finds spouses for his children" I will ask to tell whether Benny Hinn, Paula White, Juanita Bynum, Pastor Kennedy, etc can boldly say God found their estranged spouses? Secondly, why is the rate of divorce in the world highest among us Christians? God making so many mistakes? |
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PRECIOUS ANGEL! FLAWLESS BEAUTY!! GOLDEN HEART!!! IMMACULATE & RESPLENDENT IN GRACE!!!!
When did I first see you? When was your eternal image and rapturous visage planted on the table of my innocent mind? Oh my majestic royal, my love incarnate, I remember now. It was at the unfurling of the banner of my adolescence. You appeared in my mind from nowhere. I saw this young girl... totally Angelic as she glided in the skies of my mind with luxuriant gait. She had a gossamer aura around her. Her gaze was always upon me and her flambuoyant smiles and laughter engulfed me in unspeakable ecstasy. My young mind embraced her as her long, blonde hair showered all over me and enmeshed me in heavenly embrace. It was all in my mind. You showed me beauty; you set a standard of expectation that would guide me in my journey on earth. But you always lived in my mind. I always see you with the eyes of my mind. Well, my worthy one, none I have met so far in all my journeys on planet earth measures up to you. You have defined beauty, love, affection and friendship to my mind. I look for you in every race, nation, tribe and tongue. But you prove so elusive in reality, even though so close in my mind. Your standard of perfection which I have endeavored to find in earthly expression is so high. However, I still believe that you are incarnate in some earthly girl. I still desire to meet you someday. You are my hope, my life, my all. When I FIND YOU, all my years of searching will melt away in the bliss of my discovery. You are the treasure I seek as God takes me round the nations of the world. I know you love me so much that you will bond with me some day. This promise I make, my Love, my Divine comfort: When I finally look into your blue eyes and my dark skin merges with your supple white skin, I will slip my very soul (molded into a diamond ring) on your elegant second finger and go blind to all the women of the world. My eyes will behold you and ONLY YOU. The rest of my life I will give to serve you, My Most Precious Jewel - forever to part no more. Dear Lord God, please guide me to THE BEST WIFE I NEVER MARRIED !! |
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Topic:
Home Wreckers Award
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Cultural norms has influence on our behaviors and attitudes, however idiosyncrasies can be used to create biases and breed ignorance without having a complete understanding of a given culture. I am Latina (Brazilian and Hispanic)and women in our culture are known to be subservient or more submissive, but what does this mean? "Hmmm....are you sure that racial context plays no role in a person's behavior? I am black, but I think it does - there are idiosyncrasies critically peculiar to every given culture - something they are noted for.......you disagree" There are other factors other than "racial context" that play a role in negative behaviors within all cultures among all people. Alina 
....yes Alina, and what are some of those factors you identify? |
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Topic:
Home Wreckers Award
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I don't mean to ignite a race war here at all, but just to initiate intense discussion. One of my Professors believe that Black girls are better home wreckers than White girls. She is a black woman. She thought Latina women are subservient or more submissive. But again she warned me: Hey Sam, before you gallop down the alley to that White girl's door, be sure you already bought you a burial spot at the nearest cemetry because ever since O.J., they've decided to kill you first and weep at your grave later. OMG! And I was like, Prof., so who do I hook up with after this scare session. She goes: go with the moment. Now I'm in a dilemma-it's called Sam's limbo. What do you all think? Women are women. Color doesn't have anything to do with the behavior of women. We (like men) learn from our cultures, family, friends, and other influences in our lives. We act and react just like men do. Honestly, if your professor is telling you things like this it's time to change schools. I can't stand it when ignorance breeds. Hmmm....are you sure that racial context plays no role in a person's behavior? I am black, but I think it does - there are idiosyncracies critically peculiar to every given culture - something they are noted for.......you disagree? I've been told that Hispanic men are abusive. However, I know several Hispanic men and not one of them abides by this type of thinking or behavior. Ignorance breeds fear. Years ago my ex-husband's new wife told my daughter, "Oh, you can't move to ***** because there are black people there. They will beat you up and steal your shoes!" (sigh) My little girl returned home, crying, "Mom, I don't want to move." Ignorance breeds fear. Sure, people slap titles and tags on everything. I don't think it's a 'race' issue so much as it is an 'ignorance' issue. Honestly, we go through life learning from our experiences. So, in my life I've had the two events (among others) I referenced above happen. Did I believe what I was told? No, I chose to go and learn/experience firsthand. I've learned that people are people no matter the color, life experience, resources, etc. We are all the same. We emote, we bleed, we breathe, we sleep...we exist. Your professor may not have learned this yet. Or, perhaps it's the lesson she's learning now. She has a right to 'be' and I'm acknowledging that but I will not pick up and plant what she's expressing into the garden of my mind. It would pollute it, don't you think? Absolutely! You sound "liberated" from most of these profiling stuff the average American is mentally bound by....Great stuff! Thanks |
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Thanks everyone for the healthy, honest and sincere contributions you made to the topic I proposed here. I know sparks are bound to fly when discussing controversial issues. Opinions are like noses; everyone's got some - therefore no one should take offense at constructive views of others.
Well, I am a theologian and law student, and I have loads of controversial topical issues for public debate on these fora and everyone is welcome to contribute. It doesn't really matter to me if anyone targets me instead of the topic - I've always had to deal with that and cannot be intimidated at all.... God bless everyone (if you don't believe in God, may whatever you believe in bless you). |
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