lol...I should call you Mr Truth...lol. I had been cornered like that in the past and I told her the lie she wanted to hear. Much later when I manned up and reported exactly what I saw at the back, she nearly choked the life out of me (no kidding) - plus yelling....lol. Then followed nasty accusations of "I saw how you looked at that.....girl/woman etc".

So should we just tell the woman the truth of what we observed if she asks?

Very worthy of emulation! However, what were some of the incentives/inducements in those days when you at least practiced some modicum of lieing? Any benefits?

So solemnly communicated!! Thanks.
Oh can you remember your first lie and how good or bad it made you feel?

Thanks for sharing your noble ideal. But tell me, assuming that the sword of damocles is hanging over your head and only a little lie can set you free and possibly bring promotion. What choice?

U-huh .... that probably hurt so bad. Would you like to share some micro details?

Yes I agree that "lies are pointless" on the surface, but it seems to be an unwritten, but acceptable rule in politics, international trade, and even in religion (I read in the "holy book" of one of the world's major religions that it is recommended and noble to lie to "infidels" or 'unbelievers". Taking these into consideration would you still maintain that 'lies are pointless"?

I have heard stories of girlfriends or wives taking up arms to "obliterate" the guy for one reason or the other.
Ladies, what kind of behavior from your man could possibly make you want to wring his neck?
Guys, have you ever felt the wrath of an enraged girlfriend/wife?...please share.

We are looking for causes and solutions.

A popular adage warns us to beware of those who claim to be imbued with a truth-telling gene Only. What is your personal philosophy about telling the truth and telling lies? In fact, when was the last time you ever told a lie; to who, and for what? Are you lieing about your lies right on this thread?
Which do you consider a nobler ideal: Truth or Lies?

Ever been hurt by lies or truth? Please feel free to share with us.

lol...whatever!!!

hmmmm..... lol....you guys are something else....lol

So where's the best place to find a good spouse?

Ok, here's a different voice. Thanks for registering your view, and could you please tell us some of those potential benefits?

Very very good. So we could conclude then that church and bar are simply serving similar purposes: socialization and inner healing? Probably the approach and tools are different?

Wow, I've never actually looked at it the way you put it - but it's a fact that bad/good people hibernate in both places. Thank you.

please explain some more, Sir.

Awesome and articulate response Sir. I feel almost swayed by your reasoning. Hmmmmmmm.
So you don't see any positive impact religion could have on marital relationships at all? Just asking.....

There is a popular belief that the best spouses are found in churches, not in bars. Do you agree?
Do you also agree or disagree that a spouse who embraces religion/spirituality is probably a better omen for peace of mind and a successful home life compared to a "godless" one?

Please share your thoughts.

I understand. Thanks and good luck to you too.

Thanks for the idea. I will give it a thoughtful shot!!!

...Thank you for sharing. Obviously you represent the traditional bloc. Your stand is respected!

lol...hmmmmm....seems like you nailed the coffin by expressing finality of effort in the opposite direction. Fine: at least we know your stand on this matter.
Anyway, you highlight an important relevant issue here: "reversing traditional gender roles"
1. Who set those roles?
2. Why is it so necessary to keep those roles undisturbed?
3. If associate parts of the bundle of traditional gender roles are experiencing a paradigm shift, why can't the whole bundle of roles be exposed to scrutiny and possible reversal (e.g., remember affirmative rights, voting rights, etc).
Your thoughts please....