actually you were contradicting yourself again and quantum leaping from Jehovah to Spinoza, which doesn't matter since according to you and Spinoza all men including Einstein are part of "The Borg Collective"

is that the same magical tape measure God use to measure Noah's Ark because how else would it be mathematical possible for two of all the animals in the world to be able to fit on such a small thing... i think someone caught a glimpse of bigfoot on the ark

imagine if the term God was also mistranslated and was actually meant to mean Satan ...this is why to even suggest that one word in the bible was mistranslated would mean the entire Bible is incorrect

the wind must be taken into consideration since it is part of the laws of physics..the laws of physics is not like the passages in the bible that people get to pick and choose which ones to follow or not follow

I hope I am not arguing, just attempting to explain my point of view. I wouldn't dream of trying to 'convert' anyone. Each to their own, but I have to contain myself when I see apparently intelligent human beings who appear to believe in these fairy tales!

Frankly, I find it amusing y'all need to argue about it?

If you're going to quote statistics please be sure not to bias your quote to support your viewpoint. Here is the whole quote which gives a rather different perspective:

"A survey of scientists who are members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, conducted by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press in May and June 2009, finds that members of this group are, on the whole, much less religious than the general public. Indeed, the survey shows that scientists are roughly half as likely as the general public to believe in God or a higher power. According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power. By contrast, 95% of Americans believe in some form of deity or higher power, according to a survey of the general public conducted by the Pew Research Center in July 2006. Specifically, more than eight-in-ten Americans (83%) say they believe in God and 12% believe in a universal spirit or higher power. Finally, the poll of scientists finds that four-in-ten scientists (41%) say they do not believe in God or a higher power, while the poll of the public finds that only 4% of Americans share this view."

Again you make things too complicated! It's quite simple. As I have said the laws of physics are laws that can't be broken. Newton's laws had to be modified to take account of new discoveries that he could not possibly have made when he was alive. I can assure you that laws have not been broken. Never. There is no such thing as a 'secondary law'. Physics does not get 'redirected'. If you think that's true, can you give me the reference for several peer-reviewed journals that explain this? I think it's something you've just made up!

I actually said the opposite of that. I believe in 'miracles' - defined by me as 'things we do not yet understand'. It is not possible to break the laws of physics. The clue is in that word 'law'. When something quite unexplainable happens we can call it a miracle until such time as science has caught up and offered a perfectly clear explanation. Then we can say that until recently, we used to call this phenomenon a miracle, but now we know better. There is no god involved, that sort of woolly thinking is nothing more than ascribing to a god all those things we don't yet understand. One by one these 'miracles' are demolished until one day the god concept is no more than a footnote in the history books describing something that used to be popular and is now discredited, just like the belief in a flat earth was popular until we learned better.

There is no need to invent a god concept for all the things we don't know about. That is very lazy thinking. Just accept that we understand some things and do not yet understand other things.

An interesting concept. If (in your opinion) someone's mind is 'closed' does that mean they cannot see what you can see? Sounds like the circular flat earth arguments to me!

You say don't go to church. That is contrary to all the Christian religions which all build churches for their faithful to fall on their knees once a week. You say that is not necessary, the religions say it is a requirement. It is a 'mortal sin' (the most serious kind) for a Catholic not to go to church every Sunday.

first you claim you didn't say it now you claim you did say it but meant the spinoza God when at first you claim that Einstein would revert back to the Jewish God, your posts appears to be a host of contradictions drench in encrypted parables that had to be decipher and points to a concept known as "The Borg Collective"

{NERD ALERT}
the Borg a race of assimilated species including humans manufactured into cyborgs on the sci-fi series "Star trek the next Generation" in which all the minds of its members are linked together as a "Collective" and all lacking individuality but supplied with thoughts and ideas from an External Cause or Consciousness (that you refer to as being God) but in this case is known as "The Borg Queen' [NERD ALERT OVER}

if you disagree with my assessment ...then explain your concept and I will point out how it relates to The Borg Collective ....

but if you don't... then you will be assimilated, resistance is futile, WE ARE BORG

learning a new trade or trait is not genius...it's adaptation

what can't be found in scripture are biblical einstein like people working on nuclear fusion notations... but what can be found in scripture is that the earth has four corners and when shaken so does it's pillars shake ...suggesting that God was feeding people the wrong information that the earth was Flat resting upon pillars

factor in the wind or the lack of it into the equation and all you've done was described the laws of physics.... not a miracle ...there are no miracles

sorry but you did, you stated that Spinoza stated that man's ideas do not come from himself but from an "external cause" ...and I asked you flat out what was the "external cause" feeding Einstein his ideas and who was this deepthroat?" ...and you said think in terms of God

why do you insist on linking mental disorders to genius ...how many people have you met throughout your life that didn't have any mental disorders ..of course other than myself

yep..back in those unscientific biblical days Einstein would probably be leading the charge that the Earth is Flat resting upon pillars

a Miracle would be a happenstance that cancels out the laws of physics ...do you know of any?

if the Laws of Physics trigs out to hitting an object guaranteed to kill you by slowing the process down or speeding it up in order to make contact with something like younger fern trees; a miracle exists within that moment of that person's existence

Some people can't see a joke!

"Richard Dawkins himself has joked about atheists possibly being 'despairing neurotics driven to suicide by relentless cosmic angst' because they lack the emotional and psychological consolations of religion. However, emerging evidence suggests that convinced atheists may derive consolation from a certainty of belief in their own solidly-held worldview, leading to similar mental health to the highly-religious."

It's so easy to find a quote to support your particular viewpoint. The Pew Research Center supports my viewpoint here:

"Interestingly, Pew Research Center surveys indicate a growth in the 'nones' as a proportion of the population. A 2014 survey indicated that 23 percent of Americans identified as a 'none,' significantly higher than the 16 percent observed in 2007. Within these 'nones' are a growing number of atheists.

Indeed, the Pew Research Centre reports that 'the share of Americans who identify as atheists has roughly doubled in the past several years', now making up 3.1 percent of the population, compared to 1.6 percent in 2007. Interestingly, young white educated men make up a disproportionate number of atheists."

Which could> of course suggest that less susceptible people are more likely to be aetheists, while in contrast the more gulllible are more likely to follow one of the many religious alternatives available. As far as I can see, most religious people (but certainly not all of them) follow the religion of their parents. A simple explanation: Parents teach their children right from wrong and religious parents include religious ideas in the mix. Didn't happen too much in my situation because my Mother was a Catholic and Father was Anglican (Church of England). There was no strict teachings of right and wrong because they belonged to two different versions of Christianity.

When I left school I started to think about these things and gradually realised that I was more of an aetheist (convinced there is no deity of any kind) than agnostic (don't know if there is or there isn't). Only a few years ago I came across the humanist movement, people who believe in ethics, kindness and treating others as they would like to be treated - but with no expectation of reward or punishment after death. I think that's the important point: treat others kindly but understand that at the moment of your death you totally cease to exist. As human beings there will be memories and possibly sound recordings, video clips and stuff like e-mails left behind but certainly nothing 'spiritual' that's just part of the God Delusion

so far you're the only one claiming that Einstein ideas didn't come from him but from God ...if God is giving him all the answers to all the tests then Einstein is not a genius but a cheater or a ringer ...and you offer zero evidence beyond fantasy that God has done this...

Paul was persecuting followers so he clearly wasn't a Genius and a biblical education doesn't anyone a genius ..but anyway since in the biblical days Einstein would have been incapable of offering up any of his "scientific (blowing up the world) notations" he wouldn't been consider a genius but just a normal average joe

Faith is the ability to turn one's delusions into one's reality ... funches 3;16

actually it requires a super processor to process the memory and according to you Einstein had none....as long as you have Einstein hook to an "External Cause" feeding him all the right ideas...he can not be labelled a genius...it's the "External Cause" that's the genius and Einstein becomes but a robot Drone ...so are you ready to finally cut the "External Cause apron strings" from Einstein so he can get Genius status

perhaps he would have been Judas

can you name any Faith based belief that wouldn't fit that criteria?

Proof of something requires tested evidence. There is no evidence of any kind to suggest that there might be such a being, as we call 'God'. There are many people who believe in these myths and fairytales, but they all have a different answer when you ask them, "What is this 'God' that you speak of?". After all these years, there is no simple clear definition. The various Christian denominations disagree on on the details, others like the JWs and Mormons claim to believe in God but disagree fundamentally on what She is and who we are supposed to 'worship' her. Others like Hindus and Muslims even have a different name for this amazing deity.

Belief in these fictions is an example of how easy it is for the human mind to be confused and to reach the wrong conclusion. Fortune tellers will tell you your future in such an ambiguous way that whatever happens will seem to have been 'proved'. Such nonsense does not stand up to any attempt at rigorous scientific study.

Some people have said here that we are all God. In that case, as God, I treat everyone as I would like them to treat me with no expectation of reward or punishment after my death. The very last thing I would want is for anyone to 'worship' me. The very different forms of such worship suggest that there cannot be a God in reality. If there were, she would laugh at the detail of these types of worship and how each group claims that they are 'doing it right' and all the others are wrong.

My viewpoint is 'humanist' - be kind to others but when I die, that's it, same as for other animals. It is arrogant to think that we are any better than animals and that somehow the essence of us continues to live. That is the stuff or fairy tales and people should grow up and accept that what we have is all there is.

wouldn't his I.Q.been the same whether as a child or an adult or with molded thoughts especially since you claim that the ideas were not of his own and was from an external cause ...you're basically saying that Einstein heard voices

so the hebrew God is the external source that was feeding Einstein ideas the same as with Abraham and Moses ? ...so are you saying that Einstein was a Hebrew Prophet?

mixing science with Faith makes Einstein a Scientologist ...

in that case there is only a handful of people on this planet that's not geniuses...but generally it's religion that acts as a litmus test for those that may have questionable mental issues

but you said that Einstein defined his own beliefs based upon the Deity of Spinoza and then you quoted Spinoza as stating that man’s ideas do not come from himself, but from some sort of external cause ....so which is it ...is Einstein a Genius or is he getting his genius ideas fed to him by an external cause ...because it can't be both

that would depends on the "External Cause" you are referring to that fed Einstein his ideas ...I'm still waiting on the big reveal..who is Deepthroat?

actually a genius is anything but omniscient which means one can be a genius in one area and dumb as a brick in another ..everyone is born with a special set of skills that would qualify them as being a genius in a particular area ..they just have to figure out what it is.. and that is why Einstein was just a normal person ..imagine if he as a jew existed during the biblical times...what area would he be a genius in that wouldn't get him stoned

Nice Resource!
I have never looked at The National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine before?
Interesting resource, very interesting.
Thanx!

While it is a nice resource for published materials, I notice there is no actual interactive chat with anyone?
However, I might be attempting to contact some of the authors of the papers that are published.
I've done that a few times in the past and while some get no response, I have talked real-time with a few scientists.

There's a tremendous amount of published material on many subjects at the source.
Its not the same as the cutting edge real-time ideas but it does establish an understanding according to the published view.

Thanx again!

if a baby cries when someone is chopping around the family jewels it can be deem a sign of concern ...but anyway ...if Einstein was already circumcised and refuse to break his covenant with God which means he would stop referring to himself as a jew .. then what else could he have done to denounce his Jewish tradition when circumcision and a covenant with God was the only two things that matter

unlike Einstein ...Tesla's Approach wasn't to have his inventions dropped on Hiroshima ,Nagasaki and Bikini Atoll in relations (according to your theory) to Spinoza's God ...the god of anarchy