let's do some addition here:

the post i quoted ^

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Galileo did also say:

Mathematics is the Alphabet by which God created the Universe!!

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Science proves the existence of God by way of using God's Alphabet, Mathematics, in everything they prove to disprove the notion of God.

it's rather comical to watch the likes of neil degrasse tyson claim each discovery lessens the idea of God's existence....where Galileo claims just the opposite occurs because the discovery is being enabled by God's Language, Mathematics...

this is a collection from several tribes:




Ancient Race of White Giants Described in Native Legends From Many Tribes
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By Tara MacIsaac , Epoch Times

Several Native American tribes have passed down legends of a race of white giants who were wiped out. We’ll take a look at a few such legends, including those among the Choctaw and the Comanches of the United States down to the Manta of Peru.

Choctaw
Horatio Bardwell Cushman wrote in his 1899 book “History of the Choctaw, Chickasaw, and Natchez Indians”: “The tradition of the Choctaws . . . told of a race of giants that once inhabited the now State of Tennessee, and with whom their ancestors fought when they arrived in Mississippi in their migration from the west. … Their tradition states the Nahullo (race of giants) was of wonderful stature.”

A Choctaw stick-ball player, depicted by George Catlin in 1834.

A Choctaw stick-ball player, depicted by George Catlin in 1834. (Public Domain)

Cushman said “Nahullo” came to be used to describe all white people, but it originally referred specifically to a giant white race with whom the Choctaw came into contact when they first crossed the Mississippi River. The Nahullo were said to be cannibals whom the Choctaw killed whenever the opportunity arose.

Comanches
Chief Rolling Thunder of the Comanches, a tribe from the Great Plains, gave the following account of an ancient race of white giants in 1857: “Innumerable moons ago, a race of white men, 10 feet high, and far more rich and powerful than any white people now living, here inhabited a large range of country, extending from the rising to the setting sun. Their fortifications crowned the summits of the mountains, protecting their populous cities situated in the intervening valleys.

“They excelled every other nation which was flourished, either before or since, in all manner of cunning handicraft—were brave and warlike—ruling over the land they had wrested from its ancient possessors with a high and haughty hand. Compared with them the palefaces of the present day were pygmies, in both art and arms. …”

The chief explained that when this race forgot justice and mercy and became too proud, the Great Spirit wiped it out and all that was left of their society were the mounds still visible on the tablelands. This account was documented by Dr. Donald “Panther” Yates , a researcher and author of books on Native American history, on his blog.

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Navajo
Yates also writes of the Starnake people of Navajo legend, describing them as: “A regal race of white giants endowed with mining technology who dominated the West, enslaved lesser tribes, and had strongholds all through the Americas. They were either extinguished or ‘went back to the heavens.'”

Manta
In 1553, Pedro Cieza de León wrote in “Chronicle of Peru” about legendary giants described to him by the Manta indigenous people: “There are, however, reports concerning giants in Peru, who landed on the coast at the point of Santa Elena. … The natives relate the following tradition, which had been received from their ancestors from very remote times.

“There arrived on the coast, in boats made of reeds, as big as large ships, a party of men of such size that, from the knee downwards, their height was as great as the entire height of an ordinary man, though he might be of good stature. Their limbs were all in proportion to the deformed size of their bodies, and it was a monstrous thing to see their heads, with hair reaching to the shoulders. Their eyes were as large as small plates.”

León said that the sexual habits of the giants were revolting to the Natives and heaven eventually wiped out the giants because of those habits.

Paiutes
The Paiutes are said to have an oral tradition that told of red-haired, white, cannibals about 10 feet tall who lived in or near what is now known as Lovelock Cave in Nevada. It is unclear whether this “oral tradition” about the so-called Sitecah giants existed or if it was an exaggeration or distortion of their legends made after the Paiutes were mostly killed or dispersed in 1833 by an expedition by explorer Joseph Walker.

Brian Dunning of Skeptoid explored Paiutes legends and found no mention of the Sitecah being giants. It seems there was, however, a people who practiced cannibalism and who lived in Lovelock Cave. Human remains have been found there, and a few of the human bones had the marrow removed, suggesting the marrow was eaten. Cannibalism seems to have been a rare practice among these peoples, however.

The remains do have red hair.




BTW:

the Native American Indian term for God is "Great White Spirit!!"

the term for God by way of the Spirit of God has been known as "the Great White Spirit," which is adopted from the Native American Indians.

this is why Yeshua commanded His Disciples, whom later became Apostles with Paul, to go and preach to areas beyond what they are familiar with




actually, since i see where NOTBEOLD mentioned "Giants," the Native American Indians told Bill Hickock [who wrote in one of his Books}]:

Native American Indians recite a tale from their own ancestors where the American Lands were roaming with 15 feet tall, 6 toed/fingered red-headed (lineage of Esau as prophesied) Giants. the tales where they would run and catch a buffalo and bite its head off and were Cannibals. the Tale went onto say, those Giants were drowned by the flood (predicted Noah's Flood to kill the Giants [Nephilim]. said they climbed to the mountain peeks and and the water drowned them.

also with that tale, were pictures of 3 humans laying long ways making one big human side by side with several skeletal remains that were obviously taller!!





who said they were Satanic?

My entire Immediate Family (Mother-Father-Sister-Myself) Members are/were all Like Believers.

We lived SAME HOME
ate SAME FOODS
had SAME INTERESTS
the list is endless here of our Commonalities we share and are the SAME...

but yet, not a Single One of Us, SEE GOD the SAME way and we have enough LIKES that we should see God Similar.

BUT we DON'T!!

so, it is a GIVEN!!

for a person to accept the idea of a Force unseen, in Control of the behind the Scenes, and be labelled as Creator/God, that person can only believe as such from their specific Viewing and point of Believing.

the idea of who God is to ME, could NEVER be perfectly described by anyone, even like Believers.

that is just an automatic given IN THIS DISCUSSION!!

there are no two people who agree on a same Deity could ever be able to view it the same even if they both had same guidelines and directions.

that is a given so your tangent is at best, comical...oh chair and God...

i understand your claim by not being accepted by your views. in a sense, i somehow think i see God in like terms as You, but i also believe the differences exist in the idealisms of..."it's in the form of something personal, not evasive."

i see God as being accessible and not just is aware of my existence, but is concerned over it.
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You seem to view it just opposite in blank stark reality.

i only quoted/mentioned those 12 due to their influences in other areas of our secular lives from their examples of Greco-Roman Cultures.

there were Arab, Jewish, all of the local Nations of the Mediterranean and Mesopotamia besides those Greeks and Romans who have impacted our today's Society.

some peeps view God as the Religion they are involved in, but in Religion, you must always be perfect, happy, the sun is always bright and shining, etc.....in other words, VOID of Reality.

i view God as Son to a Father:
as a human being, i am the best i can be.
yes, i can improve and be better in mentality, physicality, emotionally. but overall, as one human being to another, i am wreck and mess like everyone else. i may have strengths where others are weak and vice a versa, but the "Beauty" of a Relationship between Father and Son is I don't have to pretend to be a facade, i don't have to hide who I am like so many do within their "Religions."

i tell my Father, this Pisses Me OFF and fix it!!

this is the kicker:

i then went on doing my own thing for days and the thing I asked my Father for, GOT DONE!!

not by me, by anyone i know, or any human because no one else knew what i went to God about.



you have the right idea about God not fully caring you even exist and all....but it is phrased differently in my view:

God only cares that I recognize Him (for existence purpose of Faith/only)!! I cannot believe i Recognize God until I first belief out of Faith He exists. This is the only point that matters.

being a human is being a human with mistakes, bad choices, some lie, some murder, some kill out of being obligated (some out of self defense),some steal, some commit all kinds of bad things while others are trying to be good.

being a good/bad person is important only that you realize treating others like you want to be treated is simply the act of "Respect."

God knows we are ruthless if forced and gentle if able.

My God and Father is not standing over me with His fingers pointed down at me. He is standing there with His arms open wide.

this is how i see God...

heresy?

by Whom's opinion when we have documented Ancient Historian (12 separate Historians of that day) fact of Jesus (Yeshua) being a real person with the ability to do miracles no one could ever imulate.

i've been in life and death situations (and have heard "go left," or choose that door when there were multiple options). both times I was alone running for my life. had i been caught or within range, i no doubt would be typing this to you.. running, scared, tired, trying to catch my breath, and not enough ammo to stop and engage fire. during that, i have heard a voice just come to me and what direction was given literally "saved" my life!!



the older Science Books included the "Family Tree" which Darwin was connecting all life forms to and by through his idea of Evolution, that TREE!!



it would be impossible to be God and not know "Everything," which includes Your Name...


Hey, I am not mad at you or think any less of you, just voicing my own beliefs and offering reasonable alternative thinking to ponder.




why would someone like me need a God?
the life i have lived (with exception to cut and clear miracles) i did it all on my own merit.

nah, i do need God, but it's not for anything concerning life on Earth. what does however happen on Earth that is indeed the work of the miraculous, is watching the things i plant "SEED" into (not semen, not a plant or herb seed or garden variety, nothing physical or of monetary value) and then be blown away by "results" i never could have prepared for, planned for, even caused myself from my own effort.

Things happen not because I am "Lucky" (you cannot have the streak i have had all of my life within the realm where i am 100% unable to do something or create a plane to cause a reaction in order to save my own life)(then the blessings from business adventures, and when a literal "DIRT FARM" as in soft silky dust becomes fertile and yields for profit) luck has not a single thing to do with any of it!!

just meant i agreed for most part with what you had posted and nothing more. if you feel the need to look into it more then grab a shovel and start digging.





Research = read how God dealt with others.
some He spoke to in Person
some audibly
some through a message from someone else
some through a series of thoughts.
all of them through the Holy Spirit.
but it was not just 1 set way God communicates to us.
there are over 20 distinct examples of how.
oddly enough, we have things happen today that the Bible spoke about (deja-vu is a good example and other ways).
i don't mean go to the Library and begin researching...





the part of "When You" happens to be referring to "Myself and experience," this was not or never about You!!

just like we use Darwin's Tree as an example of how we can go about our own researches and format theories...i gave an example of what takes place in my own life so you can see an example that's possibly relatable from your viewpoint.




actually, when it rains, it rains on both Believers and Non-Believers...

i would bet you have had an experience but logically you have refuted it. God reveals Himself to everyone in a way that for a moment "puzzles them." because only they can be affected by it in a way that remains with them in memory. eventually, if you don't act on Faith, you will dismiss on Reason.

Tom,

excellent points made as usual, lol


the more i learn the more i question. my walk in God is always a seeking one to keep it "warranted." as a believer, if what Science discovers does not relate to God, you need to research until it does and you can find logic and proof of it.

and when you finally discover that seeking proof, each time not just reaffirms my Faith, but it gives me the view that what Science finds next will definitely be revealed in how God utilizes it to me.

and today, i my walk in God, "I just know that I know!!"

and so far, Ive been able to tie Science, God, Mathematics and find the connection.

Electricity also begins with a Source, it is not its own Source. and then it must be relayed to reach its destinations. from there, you are required to tap into it (plug/circuit).

i also work with 3-phase, standard 110, and general power around 200 Amps.

Tom,

you say God takes belief because He cannot be observed.
everywhere i look from what little bit concerning the Earth, our immediate Galaxy, the fact that just like Mathematics, PATTERNS enable us to understand we are surrounded by millions of other Galaxies.

then we examine the entire Universe the best way we can and it all adds up to Observation of God!!


have you ever wondered that Mathematically we can apply our theories, formulas, calculations, observe Patterns, and in the Oldest Book of the Bible, Job, around 8,000 years old on the Papyrus sacale, is God speaking about SCIENCE, MATHEMATICS, ENGINEERING, USING A TAPE MEASURE, UNITS OF MEASUREMENT.

GOD SPEAKS ABOUT THE LAWS OF PHYSICS BY CLAIMING THEY ARE INVISIBLE TO OUR EYES. HE EVEN REFERENCES THEM AS BEING PRINCIPALITIES AND INVISIBLE POWERS.



Mathematics is about as true as it gets, it does have a few bumps here and there. but generally, Mathematics is the Best suitable Solution for all we do, observe, calculate, build, repair, etc.

So Mathematics, like what God spoke to Job about, is the Perfect Method to measure distance from Moon to Earth, to the Sun, to the Constellations and beyond.

but how can our most PERFECT METHOD, Mathematics, fit the Universe and be able to calculate it by using the Language of Mathematics, IF THE UNIVERSE WAS JUST A BIG OLE ACCIDENT?

Mathematically, we are proving that by the Series of Patterns, the formations, the Flow of the Universe, and WHAT we can observe proves nothing is Random at all!!

EVERYTHING is a SOURCE to something else by DESIGN!!

we die and feed the whatever we are near when we decompose. Our bacterias are able to rejoin other Bacterias and formulate new colonies that feed plant life and the combination of them + water/sun makes it blossom.

Everything has a perfect Order to it, like a Design.

the only thing not in Order, are those within humanity who are mentally unstable.



But in All honesty, God is VERY EASY to Observe!!

You just don't know how to find and seek Him is all...

ummmm, you do realize the Red Shift do look like Red Lines in the Spectrum as they count the distances between each Red Shift.

i said it correctly just was using the WORD (LINE) instead of (SHIFT).

yes Red Shift, but you can see the spectrums of red lines, blue lines, and now they claim Pink lines.


i said lines, but it is shift....it still is a RED LINE when viewing it within the spectrum.

AND, there are articles that are speaking about what i mentioned.


red lines/red shift...get over it, i still am saying it correctly and there are articles making same claims as i did to MK..

i knew that, but they suddenly discovered this idea when they were being called out for the Red Line fraud i brought to Your attention.

You believe as you like, but you have proven you don't keep up with Science enough to know what is what and then preach like they are the intelligence we need for all things in life and on life.

you did not even know that Science had been proven wrong concerning this issue and why the importance of a newer way to calculate was called for.

and now they are saying it, the Universe, and that means everything else, might be like I had mentioned, YOUNGER!! way younger!!

Your acceptance of Science is befuddling!!

Science is trying to define our Galaxies Red Line as Pink in order to skip past them.

the spectrum colors are typically red and blue, but pink has now become the issue.

it's Red lines (counted as Red Lines) but now determined to faint for Red and must be Pink.

this is done in order to keep the Universe OLDER than it factually is!!

so, you admit to accepting the findings, so-called discoveries, and Theories presented by the Scientific Community, but You literally have no idea what they are saying, concluding, or if they could be wrong.

from Big Bang, the Blast, to the outer edges of the Universe, there are Red Lines within the microwave spectrum. it's these Red lines they count to calculate how old the Universe is (13.8 Billion Years Old).

but, and a few have admitted (probably because 51% of those within the Scientific Community believes in GOD) they have intently skipped past the Red Lines within our own Galaxy.

and if these lines were Calculated in, the Universe now becomes "LESS THAN" on a severe scale, like around ONLY TWO BILLION YEARS OLD!!


those are the Red-Lines i keep speaking about..

you have all together completely avoided the fact i mentioned to you concerning our own TWO RED LINES within our Galaxy NOT BEING COUNTED in the radant spray calculation of the microwave expansion.

if correctly and properly counted, the Universe is barely 2 Billion years OLD, with Evolution taking place Mathematically about 800 BILLION YEARS TOO SOON, it's factually impossible and literally incorrect for you to assume Science is even remotely close to being right.

Mathematics alone does not equate and support their Theories. if they have no REAL SOLID FACTUAL PROOFS MATHEMATICALLY, why would someone accept their word as fact?