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Missouri - part 2
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Yeah,
Peeps all that ice. Man there was alot of it and a good thing, too. I could not have imagined not having it to cool my drink, with all that sunny blue sky with a cool breeze comin of the lake.... OOhhh, you mean ice, like icy streets, cold weather and slippery slopes. Sorry. Wongo man from the Sunshine state. 
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Topic:
Missouri - part 2
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Hey Peeps,
I'll be in St. Louis on Feb 22 thru 26. Anybody up for some fun. Wongo |
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Topic:
Missouri - part 2
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Hi everybod,
I'm Wongo and I live in Orlando, FL. Bears |
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Topic:
The disease of Addiction.
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Update: Eveything went well with my colonoscopy today and everthing was normal. Thank-you for those that e-mailed me and I want to thank everyone here for your valued feedback. 
Piece of cake, eh? Now you don't have to do it for another five years. Congrats. yes and they even put me to sleep so I didn,t have to feel a thing. Thanks so much 
Well, All I got to say is "Coolo"! B |
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The disease of Addiction.
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Step Four. Made a Searching and Fearless Moral Inventory of Ourselves. This is a humbling step as we have to take stock in all the things we have done in our lives and what part of our lives it has affected. This includes everything including sex stuff, thefts, anger issues ect. ect. It says in this step to be fearless and we should be because we will get out of this what we put into this step. I would welcome any input concerning this step from anyone including your fears about doing it.
The following passage if from page 67 of the Big book: We avoid retaliation or argument. We wouldn't treat sick people that way. If we do, we destroy our chance of being helpful. We cannot be helpful to all people, but at least God will show us how to take a kindly and tolerant view of each and every one. Referring to our list again. Putting out of our minds the wrongs others had done, we resolutely looked for our own mistakes. Where had we been selfish, dishonest, self-seeking and frightened? Though a situation had not been entirely our fault, we tried to disregard the other person involved entirely. Where were we to blame? The inventory was ours, not the other man's. When we saw our faults we listed them. We placed them before us in black and white. We admitted our wrongs honestly and were willing to set these matters straight. Again on page 68 the promise of the 4th Step: We avoid retaliation or argument. We wouldn't treat sick people that way. If we do, we destroy our chance of being helpful. We cannot be helpful to all people, but at least God will show us how to take a kindly and tolerant view of each and every one. Referring to our list again. Putting out of our minds the wrongs others had done, we resolutely looked for our own mistakes. Where had we been selfish, dishonest, self-seeking and frightened? Though a situation had not been entirely our fault, we tried to disregard the other person involved entirely. Where were we to blame? The inventory was ours, not the other man's. When we saw our faults we listed them. We placed them before us in black and white. We admitted our wrongs honestly and were willing to set these matters straight. I could not get my 4th step done in a timely manner, so my sponsor told me to set a date to do my 5TH STEP. That way I had to have the 4TH STEP done by that date. I had to be honest about it, which help me become more humble about it. You don't have to want to do it, you just have to do it. Bearsman from Wongo Island. |
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Topic:
Missouri - part 2
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Read it again bro I never said anything about laying around And I said it to you not about you. You just did not hear me. Hay bears, it looks to me like you are just sitting on a couch, and not looking for a job. 
Hey Corny boy that was hair larry us what you said about me laying around cause thats basically how I look for a job. Bearly looking Sorry, I stand corrected, or is that "sitting down". 
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Topic:
The disease of Addiction.
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However, a lot of addicts feel the need to subject themselves to a higher power.
We are all connected to that higher power and that higher power is our own spirit. When people turn to what they think is a "higher Power" what they are doing is reaching past the unconscious and talking to their own higher power. That is a contact with your own higher power. It's interest is in you because it is you. Is there a higher power than that? I think yes. But the one that looks after you personally is your own spirit. It is that will inside of you that actually makes choices and decisions. It knows more than you because it sits above information. But it is you. You look within for that part of you that makes decisions, and that is your higher power. Your little self is the one who cannot see, who feels helpless. Your true self is the one who watches and it will help you when you ask. Jeananie Oh Boy!
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Topic:
Missouri - part 2
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David the only hope you may have with SensuousLibra might be searching the forums.
Hey Corny boy that was hair larry us what you said about me laying around cause thats basically how I look for a job. Bearly looking |
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Missouri - part 2
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Hey everyone Im home. Good luck with the job hunting Sarah!!!
Im from the KC area.. woot woot!!! How are you today Donald? Robert... you knew that too
RANDOM NOTE FROM BEARSMAN, Hey, I'm looking for a job, too!! Bearsman from Wongo Island Florida |
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Missouri - part 2
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Hello everyone... just found this Missouri thread and wanted to say "hi". Hellow |
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Topic:
The disease of Addiction.
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Yes I understand what the purpose of Alanon is. I also know what detachment is. I have taken the steps for my own happiness. I am never "unhappy." I am a very happy person. There is nothing that alanon can tell me that I don't already know.
An alcoholic has a choice to choose to indulge in his or her addiction and pay the price of hurting or deserting the people who love him ~~ or not. A wife or family member can choose to live with that, put up with that, go to alanon to help them deal with that ~~ or not. Yes I probably am angry, but more disappointed than anything because of the choices he made. Because he chose to blame and hurt others, he chose to abandon his children, he chose to be irresponsible. That is his choice. I have accepted that. His life is his own. But where I draw the line on any compassion for him is when he hurts the people that I love. I will not let him do that again. I CAN handle my own disappointment, but I will not let him hurt the people I love. He becomes the enemy at that point. Call that angry if you want. I call it self preservation. Jeannie Jeannie, Can you see the resemblance of attitude that you and your brother share? A nano mouse |
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Missouri - part 2
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Cool, looks like I won't have my son that weekend either Sorry to hear that your son is such a problem. My son is hyper and hard to control, so I know where you coming from...... Deadbeat |
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Missouri - part 2
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Missouri - part 2
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Go New York Giants!!!!!
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Topic:
The disease of Addiction.
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When we talk about De Nile, we ain't talkin 'bout the river.
The most obvious symptom of the disease of alcoholism is 'DENIAL'!! We just think it will be different the next time because we have all this knowledge about it. This is the insanity of the disease. On both sides. Alnonomous |
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Topic:
The disease of Addiction.
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13th stepping is having a relationship with another new comer to the meetings. Kat Oh yeah, that how they do it. |
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Topic:
The disease of Addiction.
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Jeannie,
Pray for him. Many never get it. My brother didn't and someone else in my family is still in his cups. However, there is one in my family that says I planted the seed, not the hammer. They cannot be helped and helping them the way codependents help, is not help. Big Book page 111 The first principle of success is that you should never be angry. Even though your husband becomes unbearable and you have to leave him temporarily, you should, if you can, go without rancor. Patience and good temper are most necessary. Our next thought is that you should never tell him what he must do about his drinking. If he gets the idea that you are a nag or killjoy, your chance of accomplishing anything useful may be zero. He will use that as an excuse to drink more. He will tell you he is misunderstood. This may lead to lonely evenings for you. He may seek someone else to console him - not always another man. Be determined that your husband's drinking is not going to spoil your relations with your children or your friends. They need your companionship and your help. It is possible to have a full and useful life, though your husband continues to drink. We know women who are unafraid, even happy under these conditions. Do not set your heart on reforming your husband. You may be unable to do so, no matter how hard you try. We know these suggestions are sometimes difficult to follow, but you will save many a heartbreak if you can succeed in observing them. Your husband may come to appreciate your reasonableness and patience. This may lay the groundwork for a friendly talk about his alcoholic problem. Try to have him bring up the subject himself. Be sure you are not critical during such a discussion. Attempt instead, to put yourself in his place. Let him see that you want to be helpful rather than critical. Bill's friend |
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Topic:
The disease of Addiction.
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I don't sponsor women.
anonymous |
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Topic:
The disease of Addiction.
Edited by
Bearsman
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Wed 01/30/08 07:46 PM
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I'm wondering if I should not start anything w/ him, cuz he may need rehab (he doesn't think so). I want him to NOT WANT TO DRINK, FOR HIMSELF... NOT CUZ I WANT HIM TO STOP. Is that a smart thing??? I usually use subtle suggestion about this type of question. However, your friend is in need of an honesty check. He has to have a desire to stop drinking for himself. The Big Book says on page, 20 and 21: Now these are commonplace observations on drinkers which we hear all the time. Back of them is a world of ignorance and misunderstanding. We see that these expressions refer to people whose reactions are very different from ours. Moderate drinkers have little trouble in giving up liquor entirely if they have good reason for it. They can take it or leave it alone.  Then we have a certain type of hard drinker. He may have the habit badly enough to gradually impair him physically and mentally. It may cause him to die a few years before his time. If a sufficiently strong reason - ill health, falling in love, change of environment, or the warning of a doctor - becomes operative, this man can also stop or moderate, although he may find it difficult and troublesome and may even need medical attention.
But what about the real alcoholic? He may start off as a moderate drinker; he may or may not become a continuous hard drinker; but at some stage of his drinking career he begins to lose all control of his liquor consumption, once he starts to drink. Here is the fellow who has been puzzling you, especially in his lack of control. He does absurd, incredible, tragic things while drinking. He is a real Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. He is seldom mildly intoxicated. He is always more or less insanely drunk. His disposition while drinking resembles his normal nature but little....... He uses his gifts to build up a bright outlook for his family and himself, and then pulls the structure down on his head by a senseless series of sprees. I always suggest to my sponsees not to make important decisions and not to go steady with any one women. I say woman, because I don't work step 13. From me it is a definite, NO! Cave |
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Topic:
The disease of Addiction.
Edited by
Bearsman
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Tue 01/29/08 05:19 PM
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Yeah, Bear. They are great. I remember my first sponsor. He said that I had beautiful veins. What a compliment, eh? He had to wear support hose because he had just about ruint all of the veins in his legs from using a needle. I had written a 28 page fourth step and did my fifth step with him. He didn't even read my little novel. Funny thing was I had such a hard time starting the fourth step but once I got into it I just kept on writing. I was going to write the fourth step to end all fourth steps. One of my counselors thought it was a good start because it was just full of resentment against my dad. I sent the work to my dad and dad corrected all the typos. Then he drove up to see me at the treatment center. We had a good visit for about the first time in my life. I got my say in. I grew up terrorfied of the man. Later, I found out that you don't just do the fourth step one time. I found out with that first sponsor that sponsors are not infalliable. I was going through a treatment center infatuation and he helped me when she left and tore my heart out. He helped me to recover. Next week, I will be damned if he wasn't going through an infatuation and I was there for him. The K.I.S.S. acronym got to me, too. I have been hearing lately at the meetings that you aren't suppose to sponsor you sponsor.
Trout, Wherever two or three are gathered in (the higher power of your choice here) there shall I be among them. One alcoholic talking with another, sharing experience strength and hope. Bob's friend |
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