Thank you everyone.
specially you!!!!

are you for real? or you are just being funny as you are when you talk about hollographic matrix?
It's not a matter of being scared.
It's a matter of plain logics.
He is in me because He has imprinted in me His image and likeness (not His substance as in the case of my Lord who is the same substance as my Father). I can discern between good and bad because I have traces of my Father within me.
But if I were the same as Him I would need to be a pure spirit.

go on and enjoy the nature of the south american jungle. lol

don't push me too much smoking this pipe I may get touchy with you. lol

what about some herbal products from the south american jungle for this pipe?
maybe I'm finally be able to see JB hollographic matrix.

just for the record that has never been my argument.
that is the fundie record.

sweet, dude

cool

I will meet you there my brother.
I got tired of banging iron walls

really, now?

hey, I have some coupons of Olive Garden may you and Abra can use it for a date in which both of you can talk face to face on how nonsensical christians are. with some candlelight and some wine,

who told you that?
My Father is in me, but He is so big that He transcends me.
If my Father weren't in me I would not believe in Him.
If my Father weren't in me, my life would not have any sense whatsoever.
None of this means that God and I have the same substance as the pantheist position sustains.

dear lady:
I'm using the first person of the singular (I), that means I would be so and so, in so and so circumstance.
As I said before your life is your life. I'm not here to judge, but to tell you what I believe. And also to tell you that some of the negative views are based upon misconceptions thanks to some so called "christians." (me included when I don't let my Lord act through me).

you are wise woman.

If spidey were saying something and quickstepper would come to defend his position.
would be exactly the same as when you defend abra position
all of you are so cute when you back up each other.
however, then again is your opinion.
my opinion it's argument circular which loses validity because is based upon generalizations which don't make an analysis in a larger strata.
The same as the examples in your thread about authority. They lose any validity because they are picked example to prove a point in a agenda.
If you were have give a wider spectrum of data in different positions within different belief systems in which there is a center deity who designs and controls everything.
If you would have made an analysis of different points of view with regard the same topic, and at the end you would have stated your own opinion then your thread would be valid.
It loses validity because you just pick one side of the subject, and you start arguing thereon.

read more. inform yourself better. make more inquiries in different sources.
and don't follow blindly what the pastor says.
FYI Luther and Calvin prayed to the Virgin and the Saints.
Their only problem was that they questioned the authority of the Pope because of the corruption in which the Church fell in those days.
They did not question the Blessed Virgin and the Saints.
This is fundie tendency which started in the USA in the 19th.
The Fathers of the fundies believed in the intercession of the blessed virgin and the saints as Catholics do.

the same God who gave you a mouth to cry.

Jer. 20, 7-9

You duped me, O LORD, and I let myself be duped; you were too strong for me, and you triumphed. All the day I am an object of laughter; everyone mocks me. Whenever I speak, I must cry out, violence and outrage is my message; The word of the LORD has brought me derision and reproach all the day. I say to myself, I will not mention him, I will speak in his name no more. But then it becomes like fire burning in my heart, imprisoned in my bones; I grow weary holding it in, I cannot endure it.

The same as Jeremiah, the faithful sometimes get tired when he/she finds him or herself in the middle of a secularized world in which everybody makes fun of God.
Sometimes I just would like to stop, and let ignorance triumph. However, in the same way of the prophet, there is some sort of fire inside me which I can't endure. I need to keep speaking the word of my Father and my Lord. THERE IS NO WAY OUT FOR ME.

I bet that somebody will use this phrase: "violance and outrage is my message" to start the usual circular argument. Feel free.

TLW

I'm part INCA. Does that count?

That is my Heavenly Daddy talking in a very personal manner to me. There is no way out for me.
I would be very arrogant if I say that is my higher self. Because the reason of my being is not me, it's my Creator, my Father.