For the record, I don't agree with Obama's views on abortion.
But there are other issues out there that pertain to life as well. Like finding a way to get out of Iraq so our young people don't have to keep dying there? How's that for a pro-life issue? |
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THE QUESTION IS - IS OBAMA INTELLECTUALLY AND MORALLY ELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT. HIS STAND ON GIVING AN ABORTED CHILD WHO SURVIVED THE ABORTION THE RIGHT TO HUMAN LIFE PROTECTION IS THE MOST HEINOUS ATTITUDE I HAVE EVER SEEN IN A HUMAN BEING, EVEN THE MOST LEFT WING LIBERALS AGREE THAT A CHILD SURVIVING AN ABORTION HAS HUMAN RIGHTS....... LINDYY AGAIN, TAKING A STAND FOR THE UNBORN CHILD AND NOW THE ONES WHO SURVIVE ABORTION Is it moral to continue a war where men and women are still dying? The Christian Right cares about the unborn, but what about those who live outside the womb? It just goes to show the Christian Right are a bunch of hypocrites who love the unborn but apparently don't give a rat's ass about young people still dying in Iraq. Typical Liberal That all you have to offer? Pretty lame. The Righties just hate it when I expose their hypocrisy. You see, to the far Righties, everyone who doesn't see their isolated, distorted view of the world is a 'typical liberal', whether they technically fall within that definition or not. When logic fails, use labels. I have seen liberals offer less in the past, I was just making a comment.... And there is more Hypocrisy in the liberals way of thinking. Like, you are all for saving the People in the world from Wars, but you insist on killing innocent Helpless babies in Abortions... I don't insist on killing anyone. |
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No question he is ass deep in pay-offs but so are all or almost all the pols on both sides of the isle as are some of the independents. Maybe what we need are more citizens serving, real election reforms that give each candidates equal funding and advertising, a return to equal time on the news for discussion and rebuttal along with a citizenry who waking up and removing their heads from their asses long enough to see the the politics of division are driving us along the road to our own mutual ruin. That's sounds good. But I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for it to happen. |
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THE QUESTION IS - IS OBAMA INTELLECTUALLY AND MORALLY ELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT. HIS STAND ON GIVING AN ABORTED CHILD WHO SURVIVED THE ABORTION THE RIGHT TO HUMAN LIFE PROTECTION IS THE MOST HEINOUS ATTITUDE I HAVE EVER SEEN IN A HUMAN BEING, EVEN THE MOST LEFT WING LIBERALS AGREE THAT A CHILD SURVIVING AN ABORTION HAS HUMAN RIGHTS....... LINDYY AGAIN, TAKING A STAND FOR THE UNBORN CHILD AND NOW THE ONES WHO SURVIVE ABORTION Is it moral to continue a war where men and women are still dying? The Christian Right cares about the unborn, but what about those who live outside the womb? It just goes to show the Christian Right are a bunch of hypocrites who love the unborn but apparently don't give a rat's ass about young people still dying in Iraq. Typical Liberal That all you have to offer? Pretty lame. The Righties just hate it when I expose their hypocrisy. You see, to the far Righties, everyone who doesn't see their isolated, distorted view of the world is a 'typical liberal', whether they technically fall within that definition or not. When logic fails, use labels. |
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McCain, get ready for a September surprise!!!
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Sept. 4th, Jack Abramoff talks.
'While the government anticipates that Mr. Abramoff’s cooperation in the form of possible testimony will continue for the foreseeable future, the parties believe that they are in a position to inform the court about the full scope of his misconduct and cooperation, and that, consistent with the commitments in the plea agreement with Mr. Abramoff, sentencing in the near future in this case is appropriate.' Excerpt from the following link: http://suzieqq.wordpress.com/2008/06/14/abramoff-sentencing-date-set-and-investigation-may-continue/ |
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'In the ad airing Thursday, Obama calls Reed, the former head of the Christian Coalition, a “Republican power broker” who was “in the middle” of the Jack Abramoff scandal.'
'“But when the Senate investigated, the senator in charge never even called Reed to testify,” the ad says. “That senator? John McCain. And who’s now raising money for McCain’s campaign? Ralph Reed.”' Excerpt from the following link: http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/08/21/barack_obama_ad.html More on Ralph Reed and John McCain: Reed lost his 2006 campaign for Georgia lieutenant governor in large part because of details about his relationship with Abramoff — much of the information uncovered by McCain’s Indian Affairs Committee investigation into the wide-ranging lobbying corruption scandal. The Senate probe discovered $4 million in payments Reed accepted to run a bogus anti-casino campaign aimed at reducing gambling competition. An Indian tribe with a competing casino made payments to Reed, which according to the Senate investigation’s final report, were “passed through” Abramoff’s firm, Preston, Gates, Ellis & Rouvelas Meeds, and another organization, Grover Norquist’s Americans for Tax Reform. On the campaign trail, McCain often touts his work tackling Abramoff’s corrupt lobbying practices as evidence of his commitment to cleaning up Washington and a straight-shooting style that transcends politics. Considering all that, CREW's Melanie Sloan put this controversy into perspective : 'Watchdog groups are floored that McCain, who has worked with them for years to reform campaign finance law, has called on Reed to help bundle contributions.' '“[Reed’s] hypocrisy is legion — now matched only by John McCain’s attending a fundraiser he’s helping host,” said Melanie Sloan, CREW’s executive director. “You just have to wonder who’s the bigger hypocrite.”' Excerpt from the following link: http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/33690 Will the real 'straight-talking' McCain please sit down! |
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The Great Obama Dynasty
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Barack Obama's 'lost' brother found in Kenya Senator Barack Obama's long lost brother has been tracked down for the first time living in a shanty town in Kenya, reports claimed. By Nick Pisa in Rome Last Updated: 9:01PM BST 20 Aug 2008 George Hussein Onyango Obama, Senator Barack Obama's long lost brother was tracked down living in a hut on the outskirts of Nairobi Photo: Guy Calaf, Vanity Fair, Italy The Italian edition of Vanity Fair said that it had found George Hussein Onyango Obama living in a hut in a ramshackle town of Huruma on the outskirts of Nairobi. Mr Obama, 26, the youngest of the presidential candidate's half-brothers, spoke for the first time about his life, which could not be more different than that of the Democratic contender. "No-one knows who I am," he told the magazine, before claiming: "I live here on less than a dollar a month." According to Italy's Vanity Fair his two metre by three metre shack is decorated with football posters of the Italian football giants AC Milan and Inter, as well as a calendar showing exotic beaches of the world. Vanity Fair also noted that he had a front page newspaper picture of his famous brother - born of the same father as him, Barack Hussein Obama, but to a different mother, named only as Jael. He told the magazine: "I live like a recluse, no-one knows I exist." Embarrassed by his penury, he said that he does not does not mention his famous half-brother in conversation. "If anyone says something about my surname, I say we are not related. I am ashamed," he said. For ten years George Obama lived rough. However he now hopes to try to sort his life out by starting a course at a local technical college. He has only met his famous older brother twice - once when he was just five and the last time in 2006 when Senator Obama was on a tour of East Africa and visited Nairobi. The Illinois senator mentions his brother in his autobiography, describing him in just one passing paragraph as a "beautiful boy with a rounded head". Of their second meeting, George Obama said: "It was very brief, we spoke for just a few minutes. It was like meeting a complete stranger." George added he was no longer in contact with his mother and said:"I have had to learn to live and take what I need. "Huruma is a tough place, last January during the elections there was rioting and six people were hacked to death. The police don't even arrest you they just shoot you. "I have seen two of my friends killed. I have scars from defending myself with my fists. I am good with my fists." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2590614/Barack-Obamas-lost-brother-found-in-Kenya.html You've got to wonder about the political motives of someone who would travel all the way to Africa to dig up a half brother of Obama. Check this out: http://imtsinghua.com.cn/2008/08/21/obamas-secret-brother-speaks/ Of course, John McCain is squeaky clean and we can trust him because he is a war hero! |
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THE QUESTION IS - IS OBAMA INTELLECTUALLY AND MORALLY ELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT. HIS STAND ON GIVING AN ABORTED CHILD WHO SURVIVED THE ABORTION THE RIGHT TO HUMAN LIFE PROTECTION IS THE MOST HEINOUS ATTITUDE I HAVE EVER SEEN IN A HUMAN BEING, EVEN THE MOST LEFT WING LIBERALS AGREE THAT A CHILD SURVIVING AN ABORTION HAS HUMAN RIGHTS....... LINDYY AGAIN, TAKING A STAND FOR THE UNBORN CHILD AND NOW THE ONES WHO SURVIVE ABORTION Is it moral to continue a war where men and women are still dying? The Christian Right cares about the unborn, but what about those who live outside the womb? It just goes to show the Christian Right are a bunch of hypocrites who love the unborn but apparently don't give a rat's ass about young people still dying in Iraq. |
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A Bad Person
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I do not vote. I am not going to go into the whole thing on y I just don't. But I just got called a bad person, because I do not vote. Does not voting really make one a bad person? Yes, you are verrry bad! Shame on you for not voting!!! Just kidding! |
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I received this through email and thought it might be a gimmick.... you be the judge. Having read it, I find that there are some things missing. Don't know what, but some sentences are incomplete or missing some information.... the thing is that it states that Obama is NOT qualified to be president, dus to birth rights. Also. I ask myself, why now and not during the debates or the election (Clinton vs Obama). Here's a question for you ... SOME TIME AGO HILARY SAID SHE HAD SOMETHING ON OBAMA THAT WOULD CHANGE THE ELECTION AND THAT'S WHY SHE ONLY SUSPENDED HER QUEST FOR THE PRESIDENCY. WELL HERE IT IS. This came from a USNA alumnus. It'll be interesting to see how the media handles this... Barack Obama is not a legal U.S. natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between December 24, 1952, to November 13, 1986. Federal Law requires that the office of President requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. Citizen parents. This is what exempts John M cCain, though he was born in the US Panama Canal Zone. US Law very clearly states: '. . . If only one parent is a U.S. Citizen at the time of one's birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for minimum ten years, five of which must be after the age of 16.' That Barack Obama's father was not a U.S. citizen is a fact. Obama's mother was only 18 when Obama was born. This means even though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen of Hawaii being a territory), his mother fails the test for at-least-5-years- prior-to Barack Obama's birth, but-after-age-16. In essence, Mother alone is not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, 2 years elapsed from his mother turning 16 to the time of Barack Obama's birth when she was 18. His mother would have needed to have been 16 + 5 = 21 years old at the time of Barack Obama's birth for him to be a natural-born citizen. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at the time; his mother would have needed to be to allow him natural citizenship from his only U.S. Citizen parent. Obama should have been naturalized as a citizen . . .. but that would disqualify him from holding the office. The Constitution clearly declares: Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President. Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, any other information does not matter because his mother is the one who must fulfill the requirement to be a U.S. Citizen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16. Further, Obama may have had to have remained in the USA for some time frame to protect any citizenship he might have had, rather than living in Indonesia. This is very clear cut and a glaring violation of U.S. Election law. I think Governor Schwarzenegger of California should be very interested in discovering if Obama is allowed to be elected President without being a natural-born U.S. Citizen, since this would set a precedent. Stay tuned to your TV sets because I suspect some of this information will be leaking through over the next several days!! Disproved by snopes.com: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp Next |
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well?? where are all the political accolades and "god bless our troops" crowd?? whats the matter this one not American enough for you neocons??? They're hiding these days. They're hoping that McCain gets elected in November so that being a neocon will be fashionable again, and that they will no longer be considered low-life crooks. |
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I found this on the web and wanted to share it with everyone.
From http://www.vfp50.com/: I AM A VETERAN by Jim Ramelis I am a veteran. I am white, black, brown, and red. I am from the country, I am from the city. I am from up North, down South, back East, and out West. I am usually from the working class, sometimes poor, but rarely rich Sometimes I joined up because I want to fight. More often, I am a young person who wants to work, to get money for school, or to have an adventure. I don't want pity, I just want what I earned and was promised. If I am hurt in service, I deserve adequate health care, both in service and when I am released. I want the benefits promised me by the recruiter and the armed forcers, not spin, not lies, not homelessness, not drug addiction, not alcoholism, and not years waiting for VA claims. When on active duty service I don't want to be put in harm's way for greed or opportunity, or the profit margins of large corporations, or to control someone else's country, but to defend my country. Freedom of speech is my right, too. I can disagree with a policy I don't like. I don't make policy; please don't confuse the war with the warrior. You don't have to support every con man, liar, actor, and hustler that gets elected to public office to love the kids who are fighting, and demand all the best for troops, both in the field and when they come home. Please also remember the Veterans who are homeless, who are traumatized both by what was done to them and by what they did, who are drug addicted, and who are alcoholic Sometimes the way to support the troops is to bring them home. Do you want your child to be the last one to die for a war gone bad? Stop the War in Iraq. No war in Iran, I am a Veteran Jim Ramelis Viet Nam Veteran |
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Let's finish up in Iran
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HEY! lets drill for oil right here! Wow that'd be super fantastic wouldn't it? BTW we did not go to Iraq for the oil. I'm not sure if you remember all of the UN Resolutions Saddam was thumbing his nose at? What about the tons upon tons of uranium we found there (it's now in Canada)wouldn't that normally alarm you? We need to drill for oil here and rely less on imported energy. It really is THAT simple. If you aren't part of the solution then you are part of the problem. Yes, there might be a billion gallons under North Dakota. No need to drill offshore. Whatever reasons we went to war in Iraq, (they seem to be endless), we did and are left with the consequences. The fact is, Donald Rumsfeld screwed the pooch in Iraq and the Bush Administration should have canned him a long time before they actually did. The 'surge' would have been unnecessary and we could have had most of our troops home by now. This stands as the most monumental failure of the Bush Administration and it will take decades to fix it. |
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Life in prison or the death penalty what are your thoughts? Is 30 years hard labor an option? |
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Is Condoleeza Rice Stupid?
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Lies, Damned Lies And Rice by Harley Sorensen The lies never stop. They lie not only to you and me, but also to their friends and colleagues, Republicans as well as Democrats. I speak (as you might guess) of those masters of deceit in the Bush administration. A few months ago they told our senators and representatives that their bogus Medicare prescription drug bill would cost $400 billion over the next 10 years. Now that the bill has become law, they've revised their estimate: Now it's $724 billion. Two questions: Why is the difference in estimates important, and why do I call the drug bill "bogus"? The bill barely squeaked through Congress. The biggest objection to it was its cost. In the end, it passed only because it was deemed, at $400 billion, affordable. Had its cost been higher, it almost certainly would have failed. What is bogus about the law? Three things: It prohibits the importation of drugs from Canada and other countries; it prohibits the government from negotiating with drug companies for lower prices; and it provides benefits for everyone, regardless of income or financial status. Do the heirs of Sam Walton really need our help buying their prescription drugs? That drug law should be repealed immediately. It's not an effort to help seniors at all. In fact, it's nothing more than a scam designed to enrich pharmaceutical companies. Sen. John McCain, the one Republican who acts like a Republican, calls it "outrageous." He's right. By the way, almost immediately after the drug benefit bill became law, the price of prescription drugs went up. These people have no shame. In vaguely related news, the Queen of Chutzpah, our lovely secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, has just completed a whirlwind tour of the known world in which she tried to convince everyone she met to fear and loathe the nation of Iran. From all appearances, the Bushies are developing plans to take over Iran and kill a lot of beautiful Persian women and handsome Persian men in the process. The reason (which has nothing to do with oil, wink-wink) is that Iran has a nuclear energy program that could evolve into weapons production, making Iran as much as a threat to the United States as other nations with nuclear weapons, say, like Pakistan or Israel. The Bush propaganda campaign against Iran is under way. At the moment, it lacks one Iranian leader who we can learn to hate, but you can be assured one will be identified soon. Already we're being told that Iran is stubbornly pursuing its nuclear energy program, in spite of our wishes to the contrary. The American press, compliant to the end, will dutifully spread the Bushies' propaganda. The liberals in the media, fearful of being called unpatriotic, or worse, liberal, will give the Bushies the slant they crave. The conservatives in the media will cheerfully continue on their flag-waving, apple-polishing way. They'll parade their red, white and blue "patriotism" much like a hooker with a cross around her neck parades her virtue. To prove to the world how virtuous they are, the Bushies will soon go to the United Nations and ask for its cooperation in letting us throttle Iran. Their request will be couched in terms making it impossible for the U.N. to comply. When the U.N. rejects the insincere entreaty, the Bushies will badmouth it, and then declare that circumstances have become so dire that America must once again go it alone. And then the bombs will burst in air, and the rockets will red glare. I dearly hope I am wrong in my predictions, but it seems that history, and the pathological predilections of the Bush administration, make an attack on Iran inevitable. But we were talking about Condoleezza Rice. The thing I admire most about her, I think, is her brazenness. When Sen. Barbara Boxer pointed out Rice's dishonesty at a committee confirmation hearing, Rice stiffened and, with as much self-righteousness as I've ever seen in a person, attacked Boxer for questioning her integrity. (Bill Clinton tried to affect the same kind of self-righteousness when he told us he did not have sex with "that woman," but Clinton is an amateur compared with Rice when it comes to righteous indignation.) Rice is as brazen and as cagey as her boss. She put her brazenness to work again over the past fortnight by urging our former allies in Europe and elsewhere to put the past behind us. It's time to move on, she said. You gotta love it! For four years the Bushies been sticking it to the rest of the world, and now that they want some help they're asking the people they dissed to "get over it." The image this brings to my mind is a cartoon image of a bank robber pleading his case before a judge. The robber is saying something like, "We can't wallow in the past, Your Honor. It's time for us to put the past behind us. I recommend you dismiss the charges, so we can all start over with a clean slate." Why is it that only the guilty want the past forgotten? Rice displayed her caginess when a reporter asked about the possibility of a pre-emptive U.S. strike against Iran. Her response: "The question is simply not on the agenda at this point in time." "Point in time"? In other words, we're not going to attack Iran at this moment, but circumstances change ... and perhaps at a future "point in time," like maybe 10 minutes from now, we'll have a new agenda and be forced to go to war again. The lies never stop. Harley Sorensen is a longtime journalist. His column appears Mondays in the San Francisco Chronicle. E-mail him at harleysorensen@yahoo.com. http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0214-29.htm The main beef I have with Condi in this whole Georgian situation is that she stayed on vacation while Georgia burned, instead of doing her job and handling the situation while it was happening. It was only after a cease fire was declared that she did anything about it. Her boss's laziness must be infectious. |
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Is Condoleeza Rice Stupid?
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I just bring you the articles if you havent noticed rarely with my own opinion but pravada to me is a little more respectable than some of our news outlets.
Now that's almost as funny as Ray Charles driving a bus. Go home. Good one! |
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War mongering has gotten America where it stands now in the world..looking over your shoulders, never sure of who is going to attack you next...any semblance of being a "world leader" (AKA bully), is because you sit on the greatest stockpile of weapons of mass destruction. Go home, peacenik. You need to grow up and join the world of adults. The fact you equate defense spending with warmongering shows just how far removed you are from reality. wow...funny boy..did you get the "peacnik" from one of your daddy´s war movies or was that your own John Wayne impersination..oh wait youre too young for Wayne, maybe Reagan??? Are you insulting my family's legacy? I've had immediate family members in every major war since World War I, including Iraq and Afghanistan, so seriously, please grow up. You're not even American so don't bother criticizing the policies of something that is (thankfully) out of your control. Resting on the laurels of your families legacy..while enjoying the fruits of their sacrifices??...and yet you claim to not admire GWB..funny because you are a lot like him..I really wish I could just ignore the US, really I do..but since you guys cant stay within your own borders and your poison, greed, and war mongering (not to mention all those WMD you sit on) threaten just about every other country on the planet...I criticize.. I say this again with all sincerity..I hope to live long enough to see the last McDonalds in my country burned down to the ground. Peace... Hilarious. You don't even know me or my family, yet you have no problem passing judgment on their deeds or my views based on your own sick, perverted world view. Of course, you simply deflect this blatant hypocrisy and idiocy by comparing me to the current farce of a president--real intelligent and consistent. No wonder you had to move out of America, anyone with half a brain would easily see you for what you are. WarElephant, One thing we do agree on is that this President is a farce. And so is his Administration. As an Independent, I can see the mistakes both parties have brought us. They have forgotten about the people they are supposed to serve. |
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To escalate something like the invasion of South Ossetia into a flashpoint that would lead to another Cold War would be the ultimate in folly.
Correction: invasion of Georgia. But you can't criticize the Dems for eviscerating the military without also acknowledging the fact that we've committed too much of our forces in Iraq and Afghanistan on the Republican's watch.
Evidently, you didn't read my first post at all. Either that or you are purposely acting stupid. Here, from my original post, since you need to be spoonfed; For years, we've had liberals in the legislative and executive actively undermining the strength of our military--Clinton's infamous downsizing is now proving to be a disaster, even though that traitor Bush somewhat reversed that trend. Needless to say, his deployment of U.S. forces and equipment in this insane Arabian Expedition have been equally harmful on our military capabilities.
I don't trust Putin any more than I trust Bush, but there are other ways of dealing with conflicts without declaring war.
Ah yes, the infamous "carrots and sticks" routines. Too bad Soviets don't eat carrots. If all you have to offer is insults, then all I have to say to you is: Grow up. I have better things to do than to argue with a child. |
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The war in Iraq is Over
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The War in Iraq IS over, now its time to leave and watch it fall apart because it can't support itself without American muscle. How can we declare 'victory' then? Oh, you wanted victory? Well, that's easy. You carpet bomb the entire country into oblivion. But we don't do that, you see. Our President wants to nation-build instead. I was being sarcastic. There is no victory to be won. The only victory we can claim is to get our troops out of there and let the Iraqis fend for themselves. |
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