A thing is manifested and perpetuated by the amount of attention and thought that is given to its existence.

It could even be a thing that is not wanted.

Like poverty, sickness, death and war.

These things are perpetuated by the attention and the thought they are given. That is how they manifest.

If no one ever thought of war, there would be no war.

That is the law of manifestation and the law of attraction.

JB

the physical and the soulful and the spiritual are all perceptible to the collective construct known as man.

The awareness of the distinctions separating the three gives rise to the understanding of the sum of its parts which is fully man and is the personal responsiblity to comprehend by all men whether or not such a trichotomous structure is in fact the construct itself.

Perceptions are not always in the realm of imagination and creative thinking.

Perception is an inherent mechanism upon a trichotomous being to facilitate self awareness of the health of the whole.

Perceptions are influences and they exist whether one lives as a hermit or as a social being.

The coldness and isolation of hermitage is a spiritual hunger for nourishment that is deprivation and (dis)ease.

Love is inconsequential , for example, without the means to give it.

Some things are reciprocal about our being and are recognizable as such with social interaction.

So is violence.

Neither can be imagined or contrived as an influence except where not engaged socially. Asocially, love and violence and fear cannot be known without expression.

No man is an island unto himself, it has been said.

All things first begin with the thought of them.

With the thought of them, they are manifested instantly in the formless substance... as a probability.

Billions of probabilities are created that never manifest into personal experience or physical reality because they lack the sustained attention to draw them through to manifest in this reality.

If enough attention is given to them, they will begin the journey to manifest, but they will be met with resistance.

Resistance comes in the form of opposing thought coming from the very person who created the thought in the first place.

I want a new car,.... then you picture a new car. One or two times.

But then you have a hundred thoughts that say: "I can't afford a new car, I'll never get a new car, I only drive this old junker, this is my car, this is the only car I see, have, know. etc.

So, creative substance sees that thought and perpetuates your prayer. It leaves you with your old car.

After all, that is all you think about, so that is what it perpetuates and manifests for you.

It manifests your dominate thoughts, It does not see you saying, NO, I don't want this.

It can only see the picture of the thing you do not want. It reads the picture.

JB

hhmmm...

may I interject a bit?

the measure can be the desire for advantage and privelege in the expense of exerting the will towards mastery and pre-eminence.

perhaps..................





addendum after the fact. I may as a Christian be given opportunity to master being conformed to the image of Christ by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, but I will never achieve the pre-eminence in mastering that which I am apprehended of.
The pre-eminence of the original master is the treasured apprehension to know and share in, not the goal to overcome and defeat. The goal is to know that which is being modeled as a significant and desireable attainment for personal enrichment and fullness of joy. It is a choice, not a compulsion.

JB:

Your picture has painted itself nicely...

What of a contradiction?

That is the issue...

What are you saying? The "God of America" is taking away our rights because we dont believe in him ????? WTF

I don't know what the situation is that you refer to.

You seem to want to make it into a competition between two people or two opposing forces.

Lets say two football teams, praying to win.

They can both win, and they can both find victory. There are many games to play. What is one game?

Only one winner? Of one game? There are many winners and many games.

The creative plain does not compete, it creates.

JB

JB:

Do you believe that there is never any inherent controversy contained within individual thoughts, desires, goals, beliefs, and/or prayers?

It is not about a game JB...

It is about life...

There are inherent contradictions between different peoples thoughts, desires, goals, and/or realities which are not accounted for within that belief system...

What happens when two are attempting to manifest things which cannot happen simultaneously...

The vagueness is only inherent in the picture that you are attempting to paint JB...

a. Never is an absolute. (I don't use it.)

b. Inherent? Inherent from who / what?

c. Controversy contained "within individual thoughts?" (Are we talking a single thought here or many thoughts that conflict?

d. Are these conflicting thoughts coming from a single thinking center? (person)

So you see, I don't understand your specific question. Please state exactly what you mean in plain terms, otherwise I may misunderstand the question.

But, the best of my understanding I will state this. One person can have many conflicting thoughts, and even conflicting desires, goals, beliefs, prayers.

This is because their psyche has split into different personalities expressed by different moods, opinions, etc. all inside of one physical person. The dominant psyche usually rules the little self, but there are others.

Ever find yourself disagreeing or talking to yourself?
(I do all the time.)

No, we are not crazy. We are communicating with our other psyche's.



Life is a game that we play with ourselves. Yes, it is a game IMHO. Too many take it too seriously.




Everything happens simultaneously... but that's another subject.

(You are still talking about a competition here, but if there are some people praying for peace, they may be thinking of war. In that case they are perpetuating war ~ not peace. So there will be war.)

They only think they are praying for peace. Instead they pray for war when they think of war and preach of war and look at pictures of war and show other people the ugliness of war. They perpetuate it and they spread hatred and visions of war.

On the other hand, a world where no one ever thought of war, would never see or experience war, hence they would never have to pray for peace.



No, it is vague to me because you are not being clear.

What makes you think that life isn’t a game?



That’s when God throws dice.

Ahhh... nevermind Jeannie, enjoy your manifestations...

James... and you ask me what makes me think that life is not a game...

Hmmmm.... I have kids...

Clearly, no game...

My X-husband used to play mind games with people... to include me.

He would get very serious and angry and yell at me: "THIS IS NOT A GAME!!"

I would just say to him, "Then why are you trying so hard to win?"

I wish you would just state your question in a plain manner, I am sincerely interested in what it is you are asking, but your questions are ambiguous and ambiguous questions and statements lead to misunderstandings.

I really challenge you to be clear and strait forward.

JB

Truly, Jeannie...

One may see fit what they choose...

It matters not to me...

'God' does not equate to one ego's psuedo-manifestation of reality in the mind...

I find no need to compete... Validation of me does not require the dismemberment of you...

Peace...

You don’t have any kids Michael

Only God has kids

You’re just a baby sitter

Now you have really thrown me. What are you actually talking about?

Do you perceive that you are (or have been) "competing" with me in some way?

Seriously, I thought you were just asking me a question.

I was trying to answer it the best I could.

I had no thought that you were "in competition" with me, or trying to "dismember" me to validate you. I thought you were talking about something going on in your life. I guess I am clueless to what your quest is then.

Just call me dummy I guess.

JB

Creativesoul,

Because I was thrown for a bit of a loop with your last post, I reread the previous communications we have been having trying to find where my understanding of our communication went way off track.

I must say I guess I was being way too naive.

If you disagree with the idea of the "Law of Attraction" (which is what I thought we were talking about here) then you should have said so, plain and strait forward.

If you disagree that we, as thinking centers, manifest and are responsible for our personal reality, then you should have just said so up front and I would not have wasted your time.

If you disagree that we are part of God, the creator and that we are co-creators of that universal body, then just say so, and I won't waste your time.

You can think and believe what ever you want, it truly does not matter to me. I did not know you were even thinking of "competing" with me, (until you denied that you were.)

I had no thought of a competition with you. I thought we were talking about the Law of Attraction. I did not look for an agenda. Stupid me. Oh well.

JB

JB:

I realize that our communication efforts have failed us up until this point. The negative results of which have not allowed us to effectively use the others sight as a measure for our own. It is painfully obvious that we are not effectively communicating our thoughts.

Rather than just walk away and leave this be, I have decided to extrapolate a little further in the hopes that this post will allow that aforementioned bridge of understanding between us.

I wanna make sure that we see things eye ta eye, to be sure that we understand one another. Please bear with me, this may get involved, and knowing myself, it will...



Rather than go through our entire exchange, in this and other threads, to point out specific things, it may better serve this discussion for us to begin anew.

I am quite familiar with the laws of attraction, and by the end of this posting, you will understand this more clearly.

Reflecting on before, my question regarded the blatent real life circumstances that must be accounted for within law of attraction parameters, but they are not.

Originally I spoke on conceptual terms, but the need was expressed for a more specific clarification. Therefore, I have what you have been asking for.

It concerns the inherent issue resulting from the contradicting individual manifestation(s) of two completely different people. Consider the fact that one of which will directly affect the other, ending their human life.

That situation happens every day. It is actual reality. It is truth. My direct question then, would be this: Where do shooting rampages and serial killers who claim the lives of innocents fit into this proclaimed notion of the self-created manifestation of reality?


Is that also a direct result of the victim's own personal manifestation(s) of thought?


Did those victims of murder manifest their own reality, JB?



If one claims that reality is manifested by their own conscious and sub-conscious thoughts, beliefs, and feelings about themselves and life itself, then ego is the creator.

Thus, the law of attraction depends upon personal ego's involvement for the manifestation of it's own reality. There is no 'God' in ego, only coping mechanisms, JB. Out of the need for acceptance, or to make life seem easier on us, as individuals, our ego separates us from others. It views the outside world and determines what we need to be, as a result of what it observes. It necessitates change in our behaviours accordingly, which inevitably can and/or will become what we are. I do not believe that 'God' equates to the ego's necessitation of using different masks. What one perceives, both consciously and subconsciously, is determined, through the ego, according to that which one has previously accepted as truth. This is also directly affected by other issues within one's psyche, such as the stored and unresolved emotional content which the ego hides from one's self. None of which is innate, it is learned.

If 'God' is indivisible, then 'God' must be innate.

Ego is not.

Thus... my insistance on claiming that the law of attraction which is proclaimed to be of 'God' necessitates a notion of separate, and is nothing more than just one more egotistical creation, among many.

'God' is not born of a coping mechanism, unless of course you are an atheist...

I hope this effectively answers your question(s) concerning my thoughts.

Peace...

I can understand this question.

Where it fits into my personal picture of the way things work hinges on my personal picture of reality and the incarnation of the higher self's "ego personalities" into the three dimensional reality where we live.

Before a life stream is sent to incarnate on the earth, Its time of birth defines it's influences and Its time and manner of death is decided upon prior to its incarnation. This is something that the person/ego ~~(change that to true self) decided on before it's entrance to the the earth game we know as life.

This of course is my personal understanding ~ it makes sense to me until something better fits into the picture.

Therefore, the answer to the question is Yes, the individual did decide and create (prior to birth) its manner and time of death.

This is one of the things that cannot be changed by any act of the ego's "free will" as he or she uses it in his or her earth incarnation.

JB

To put it simply: When your time is up, its up, there is nothing you or anyone else, can do about it.