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| Topic: Murderers, child molesters, rapists | |
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To talk about cracking down on sentances is one thing, I agree that we need stiffer sentances. But to endorse torcher and the death penalty is unconstitutional, the term "inalienable rights" isn't just for show;^]
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It's shocking how many people would do away with the bill of rights. Getting them off the streets is one thing, but to deny them their right to life and humane treatment would make us just as bad as them;^] I dont think that th way I feel makes me anywhere close to being as bad as a CHILD RAPIST!! And while I would agree with your feelings - again - we as a society must demonstrate that we are (lack of a better term) more evolved than those who would do such a despicable act. I think what was meant by the statement though - is just because a person did something heinous - like rape a young child - we judge him according to his/her crime, and sentence them to an appropriate consequence. We do not judge them out of revenge, or blind hate because of the crime. Yes - that means some people are not appropriate on the jury. I personally should never be on a jury hearing a child abuse case of any form - I could never judge that person dispassionately. Several folks here have daughters who are the victims of rapists. Do they have the right to feel hatred and desire to have the criminal responsible pay with their lives? Well - if anyone does - I would imagine they do. However - I would not see them as suitable on a jury for such a case either, as they could not act dispassionately - and for understandable reasons. |
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I am not surprised that so many of you think you have the right and ability to judge others. I think I'm only surprised that you admit it so readily. I do not have the right to judge anyone. Nor am I better than anyone... regardless of what they did. That is just me. |
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This has been an interesting conversation, Ive definately learned some things about a few of you that I would not have guessed... time to go do something productive.. Enjoy your afternoon
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I hope for your sake your never in a position where the judgement you say you dont have for other people comes out to rear its ugly head.. I never thought of myself as the kind of person to judge other people either. Just like you said in a post before good people do bad things sometimes and bad people do bad things... Your right on so many different levels when you say we have no right to judge. But it isnt so easy when it hits home directly in front of you .. when its your child. Lillith I think youre an intelligent woman, I read your profile you work for th CJ system so you deal with this stuff on a regular basis I think your opinion is valid just not the same as mine. I have my bachelors in CJ and Im 6 months from my Masters, I know it isnt my right to judge people,but it isnt easy to tell your 10 year old daughter "honey im sorry that man raped you, took your innocence,made it so that your still at 17 years old afraid of the dark, you now have an inheriat mistrust in men, but you really need to forgive him, and dont judge him" as a mother i could never do that.. i hope he rots in prison, dies there and spends eternity in hell All I can say is that you do not know what I have experienced and what I have not. To infer or assume either a lack of empathy or knowledge on my part does not behoove you. Just because something isn't easy does not give us the right not to do it. A lack of forgiveness for others lies within ourselves. The inability to depersonalize personal situations to that within society as a whole speaks volumes. Missy~~It appears as though you aren't willing to encourage your daughter to forgive and move on but rather encourage her issues. That is not your right. As a mother... or as a fellow human. Just my opinion. 
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agree.
I disagree. As much as we might dislike what these people have done, (or allegedly done) we cannot take away their human rights. Only their freedom. To say that one human life is worth less than another is judgmental. To say the actions of a human are vile... is appropriate. People are not always what they do. Bad people do bad things, and sometimes good people do bad things. People are not defined solely by their actions. i'm sorry lillith, but once a person has willingly and knowingly taken anothers freedom, and safety, and life(literal and figurative) they no longer deserve freedom for themselves. |
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exeactly!!!
I disagree. As much as we might dislike what these people have done, (or allegedly done) we cannot take away their human rights. Only their freedom. To say that one human life is worth less than another is judgmental. To say the actions of a human are vile... is appropriate. People are not always what they do. Bad people do bad things, and sometimes good people do bad things. People are not defined solely by their actions. I disagree here. Murderer's, child molestor's and rapists are very much defined by their actions. The life of an innocent child or any other victim is worth much more than the life of any of the above. jmo |
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Used to be law breakers had LESS rights than the people supporting them. Prison was a punishment, not a training center for becoming a better crook. Now prisoners have it better than many on the outside.
Rape, molestation, murder should be death sentences; bring back the gallows & public hangings. Many won't agree, I don't care. Harm my family or those close to me, you better be in jail, you might be safe there. |
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I hope for your sake your never in a position where the judgement you say you dont have for other people comes out to rear its ugly head.. I never thought of myself as the kind of person to judge other people either. Just like you said in a post before good people do bad things sometimes and bad people do bad things... Your right on so many different levels when you say we have no right to judge. But it isnt so easy when it hits home directly in front of you .. when its your child. Lillith I think youre an intelligent woman, I read your profile you work for th CJ system so you deal with this stuff on a regular basis I think your opinion is valid just not the same as mine. I have my bachelors in CJ and Im 6 months from my Masters, I know it isnt my right to judge people,but it isnt easy to tell your 10 year old daughter "honey im sorry that man raped you, took your innocence,made it so that your still at 17 years old afraid of the dark, you now have an inheriat mistrust in men, but you really need to forgive him, and dont judge him" as a mother i could never do that.. i hope he rots in prison, dies there and spends eternity in hell All I can say is that you do not know what I have experienced and what I have not. To infer or assume either a lack of empathy or knowledge on my part does not behoove you. Just because something isn't easy does not give us the right not to do it. A lack of forgiveness for others lies within ourselves. The inability to depersonalize personal situations to that within society as a whole speaks volumes. Missy~~It appears as though you aren't willing to encourage your daughter to forgive and move on but rather encourage her issues. That is not your right. As a mother... or as a fellow human. Just my opinion.
Youre right, I dont encourage her to forgive, however I dont discourage her either.. She is 17 now and is an awesome young lady, she can form her own opinions, if she chooses to forgive him, then thats fine, I however will not... Lillith..
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Missy~~ Have a great day. It was a pleasure to agree to disagree with you today.
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Missy~~ Have a great day. It was a pleasure to agree to disagree with you today.
LOL yes it was
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heres the thing.
i was raped when i was 13. the court system set him free. and you willhave to excuse me if i was not only not sad, but somewhat happy when he died a horrible painful death of stomach cancer that drug out in excrusciating pain for 3 full years. so you can say that you want them locked up, but really,ithink that many times it would be much better were they to be put to death or as uk suggested, used for testing. btw. the man who did this to me.. he went on to rape 3 other young women, with the court system letting him off on tecnicalities every time. |
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That's awful izzie.
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The taking of someones life, kidnapping and abusing others for ones own gratification, is abhorrent.
While these animals rot in prison at the cost of others, whether it is pending appeal or even if they have already been sentenced/awaiting sentence or appeal, they are still living at our expense, and are not donating anything productive to society. With the advances in DNA technology, the real culprits have less chance of escaping detection. When this evidence is conclusive and beyond doubt, then these monsters should not be imprisoned. They would definitely be better used in test laboratories than defenceless animals who have committed no crime at all. How many animals smoke, have Aids, Cancer, Multiple Sclerocis.etc? The list is endless. Testing on the scum that inhabit society would be more productive, cut down on the need for prisons, and would relieve a lot of suffering on the defenceless animals whose only reason for existence is survival, and in many cases, give us joy. ALL wildlife should be protected and given the chance that these monsters have denied their victims. But that is just my personal opinion |
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That's awful izzie. the whole thing was awful. and i can gurantee you that not one of these people who disagree with the OP statement have never been heald down and threatened to be killed while they took advantage of you.. i bet that not one of them have ever held their best friend in their arms while they bleed to death because someazzhead felt the need to shoot them for no reason... i agree with uk.. torture is to good for some of these. |
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Eveyone will have different opinions on this subject...no matter what...and i think for the ones that have been persoanlly affected by a situation like this will prob not be so forgiving and accepting and that is THIER RIGHT....so i do not judge...all i know is i have been there myself and if it ever happened to MY CHILD...i dont think i could be so forgiving either
JMO
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All I can say to everyone in regards to disagreeing with the OP.... there are things I would never share in the forums. That is my personal decision and only one I hold myself to.
To assume those of us who do not agree are not able to empathize really does require massive assumption. I'm saying this is about the ability to judge and if we have that right. It's not about who did what to who. It's really not. In no way am I trying to discount what people have shared. It's just not my point.
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That's awful izzie. and i can gurantee you that not one of these people who disagree with the OP statement have never been heald down and threatened to be killed while they took advantage of you.. i bet that not one of them have ever held their best friend in their arms while they bleed to death because someazzhead felt the need to shoot them for no reason... Guess again;^[ |
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In my Opinion now this is just mine.
There are court systems to deal with this crime. And they judge you and just like this you all Judge someone by there opinions on here and most Of you do it. I believe if they are found guilty In a court of law! They should be put to death For there Hansen crime's they had there right's In place until they went to court and got a fair Trail by there peers now if they found them guilty Then they should pay the price for there crimes And yes it sould not take years and money off of The tax payers take them right out side after court And hang them if like i said if they are found guilty!! This is my Opinion there is no changing it no debating It just post your's and move on and this is not a debating Forum it is to post your opinions. And let other post There own and if people took the time to respect each Others Opinions we would not have so many wars !!!!!!! |
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As many of you know, this subject is rather touchy in this household.
My daughter was forced to eat raw eggs, mackerel straight out of the can (with a ton of fish oil settled on top of it), pickled pigs feet, sardines, oysters, and huge cans of cold spinach. That may not seem too cruel to you, however, to a child...from the age of 11, if she would not perform sexual favors for her "dad" that is the punishment she got. Oh..........should she vomit it up...she was made to eat the vomit! Death is too kind..........he was convicted of rape just Friday and sentenced to 25 years in prison. I can only pray he remembers a FRACTION of the torture he put her through each and every time he is made to perform or to take what his new-found friends have to welcome him with!!! Death is too kind for him. I cannot say that more emphatically! |
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