Topic: Murderers, child molesters, rapists
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Mon 03/17/08 11:20 AM



I disagree. As much as we might dislike what these people have done, (or allegedly done) we cannot take away their human rights. Only their freedom. To say that one human life is worth less than another is judgmental. To say the actions of a human are vile... is appropriate.

People are not always what they do. Bad people do bad things, and sometimes good people do bad things. People are not defined solely by their actions.



The man that raped my 10 year old daughter (now 17) is absolutely defined by his actions...JMO

As i said before...i'd gladly put the bullet in anyone who did something like that to my child...to say it's not fair to call another human's actions 'vile' is the most ridiculous thing i've read here in a while!!!


I agree Tony...and a bullet in this bastards head is exactly what he needs.. allI can do is pray that someone hes in prison with kills him while hes in there

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Mon 03/17/08 11:20 AM
So throw away a human life? I disagree. Especially in a time where our law system is as screwed up as it is, not to say they are not all truly guilty but moreso that we have put people to death that were truly not guilty. We should work on correcting many flaws within our law before trying to throw a life away that might not even be guilty.

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Mon 03/17/08 11:21 AM
Thank you, Cleo. blushing

I understand the need and want to judge a person or group of people based on what they did. I work with rapists and pedophiles and murderers. Regularly. I agree they should go to prison. They disgust me. But it is not, I repeat NOT my right to judge them based on what they did... but rather see what my role can be to help do my job to ensure the courts can make the best informed decision to make society a safer place.

There might be people judging me based on one, or even many bad act(s) out there in the world. I sure hope not.

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Mon 03/17/08 11:21 AM




I disagree. As much as we might dislike what these people have done, (or allegedly done) we cannot take away their human rights. Only their freedom. To say that one human life is worth less than another is judgmental. To say the actions of a human are vile... is appropriate.

People are not always what they do. Bad people do bad things, and sometimes good people do bad things. People are not defined solely by their actions.



The man that raped my 10 year old daughter (now 17) is absolutely defined by his actions...JMO

As i said before...i'd gladly put the bullet in anyone who did something like that to my child...to say it's not fair to call another human's actions 'vile' is the most ridiculous thing i've read here in a while!!!


I agree Tony...and a bullet in this bastards head is exactly what he needs.. allI can do is pray that someone hes in prison with kills him while hes in there

i'm really sorry for what you and your daughter have gone through.. people like that gave up their rights when they commited these shameful acts... i wish you and your daughter only the best

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Mon 03/17/08 11:22 AM



I disagree. As much as we might dislike what these people have done, (or allegedly done) we cannot take away their human rights. Only their freedom. To say that one human life is worth less than another is judgmental. To say the actions of a human are vile... is appropriate.

People are not always what they do. Bad people do bad things, and sometimes good people do bad things. People are not defined solely by their actions.



The man that raped my 10 year old daughter (now 17) is absolutely defined by his actions...JMO

As i said before...i'd gladly put the bullet in anyone who did something like that to my child...to say it's not fair to call another human's actions 'vile' is the most ridiculous thing i've read here in a while!!!


Dude~~ read what I wrote. I said it was appropriate to call them vile.

I said it is appropriate to label actions and not to judge humans. Get it right.

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Mon 03/17/08 11:24 AM

I disagree. As much as we might dislike what these people have done, (or allegedly done) we cannot take away their human rights. Only their freedom. To say that one human life is worth less than another is judgmental. To say the actions of a human are vile... is appropriate.

People are not always what they do. Bad people do bad things, and sometimes good people do bad things. People are not defined solely by their actions.

i'm sorry lillith, but once a person has willingly and knowingly taken anothers freedom, and safety, and life(literal and figurative) they no longer deserve freedom for themselves.

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Mon 03/17/08 11:29 AM


I disagree. As much as we might dislike what these people have done, (or allegedly done) we cannot take away their human rights. Only their freedom. To say that one human life is worth less than another is judgmental. To say the actions of a human are vile... is appropriate.

People are not always what they do. Bad people do bad things, and sometimes good people do bad things. People are not defined solely by their actions.

i'm sorry lillith, but once a person has willingly and knowingly taken anothers freedom, and safety, and life(literal and figurative) they no longer deserve freedom for themselves.


Did you read the third sentence, Tina?

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Mon 03/17/08 11:29 AM


I disagree. As much as we might dislike what these people have done, (or allegedly done) we cannot take away their human rights. Only their freedom. To say that one human life is worth less than another is judgmental. To say the actions of a human are vile... is appropriate.

People are not always what they do. Bad people do bad things, and sometimes good people do bad things. People are not defined solely by their actions.

i'm sorry lillith, but once a person has willingly and knowingly taken anothers freedom, and safety, and life(literal and figurative) they no longer deserve freedom for themselves.


But what if they were wrongly prosecuted? What if the evidence didn't lead to them? Many people have been put in prison and were not truly guilty, and still to this day many get put in prison who are not guilty. We must first work on our system of laws and how they're used before we decide to take someone's life away off of a whim.

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Mon 03/17/08 11:29 AM




I disagree. As much as we might dislike what these people have done, (or allegedly done) we cannot take away their human rights. Only their freedom. To say that one human life is worth less than another is judgmental. To say the actions of a human are vile... is appropriate.

People are not always what they do. Bad people do bad things, and sometimes good people do bad things. People are not defined solely by their actions.

listen..i didn't mean to argue with you, but that was your quote...i only copied and pasted... yes, sometimes good people do bad things, but good people don't premeditate murder or rape or find some perverse pleasure in molesting kids...


The man that raped my 10 year old daughter (now 17) is absolutely defined by his actions...JMO

As i said before...i'd gladly put the bullet in anyone who did something like that to my child...to say it's not fair to call another human's actions 'vile' is the most ridiculous thing i've read here in a while!!!


Dude~~ read what I wrote. I said it was appropriate to call them vile.

I said it is appropriate to label actions and not to judge humans. Get it right.

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Mon 03/17/08 11:31 AM

I disagree. As much as we might dislike what these people have done, (or allegedly done) we cannot take away their human rights. Only their freedom. To say that one human life is worth less than another is judgmental. To say the actions of a human are vile... is appropriate.

People are not always what they do. Bad people do bad things, and sometimes good people do bad things. People are not defined solely by their actions.


I disagree here. Murderer's, child molestor's and rapists are very much defined by their actions. The life of an innocent child or any other victim is worth much more than the life of any of the above. jmo

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Mon 03/17/08 11:31 AM





I disagree. As much as we might dislike what these people have done, (or allegedly done) we cannot take away their human rights. Only their freedom. To say that one human life is worth less than another is judgmental. To say the actions of a human are vile... is appropriate.

People are not always what they do. Bad people do bad things, and sometimes good people do bad things. People are not defined solely by their actions.

listen..i didn't mean to argue with you, but that was your quote...i only copied and pasted... yes, sometimes good people do bad things, but good people don't premeditate murder or rape or find some perverse pleasure in molesting kids...


The man that raped my 10 year old daughter (now 17) is absolutely defined by his actions...JMO

As i said before...i'd gladly put the bullet in anyone who did something like that to my child...to say it's not fair to call another human's actions 'vile' is the most ridiculous thing i've read here in a while!!!


Dude~~ read what I wrote. I said it was appropriate to call them vile.

I said it is appropriate to label actions and not to judge humans. Get it right.


DId you read your own writing? you DID say that..and i only copied and pasted..Dude

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Mon 03/17/08 11:32 AM
listen..i didn't mean to argue with you, but that was your quote...i only copied and pasted... yes, sometimes good people do bad things, but good people don't premeditate murder or rape or find some perverse pleasure in molesting kids...


I never said they did. Did you really read my post? Or read "into" it? This is now the second time you seem to be saying I said something I did not.

tony453's photo
Mon 03/17/08 11:33 AM


I disagree. As much as we might dislike what these people have done, (or allegedly done) we cannot take away their human rights. Only their freedom. To say that one human life is worth less than another is judgmental. To say the actions of a human are vile... is appropriate.

People are not always what they do. Bad people do bad things, and sometimes good people do bad things. People are not defined solely by their actions.


I disagree here. Murderer's, child molestor's and rapists are very much defined by their actions. The life of an innocent child or any other victim is worth much more than the life of any of the above. jmo

I agree 100%!! yes, good people do bad things sometimes, but good people don;'t premeditate murder or rape, nor do they commit perverse acts on children....

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Mon 03/17/08 11:33 AM


I disagree. As much as we might dislike what these people have done, (or allegedly done) we cannot take away their human rights. Only their freedom. To say that one human life is worth less than another is judgmental. To say the actions of a human are vile... is appropriate.

People are not always what they do. Bad people do bad things, and sometimes good people do bad things. People are not defined solely by their actions.


Bravo Lilith! I wish I'd said that! flowerforyou WWJD (What would Jesus do) forgive!



To hell with what would jesus do! I want you to try to think of yourself in one of these situations.... if someone took advantage of one of your loved ones ... or you for that matter...
Invading your body with out your permission...
you can never get rid of that.... and then tell me if you want to go ahead and forgive who ever did that.

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Mon 03/17/08 11:34 AM
To say the actions of a human are vile... is appropriate.


Here.. since you are struggling with being able to use quotes. This is my sentence. Let me re-arrange the words to hopefully make it easier for you to understand.

It is appropriate to say the actions of a human are vile.

Easier for you to read?

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Mon 03/17/08 11:34 AM

As i said before...i'd gladly put the bullet in anyone who did something like that to my child...to say it's not fair to call another human's actions 'vile' is the most ridiculous thing i've read here in a while!!!



I would (not gladly) take a life if it meant I could spare another life or victimization by doing so. The only way I would do that ~ was if I happened upon the crime in action.
After the fact... The rules change some.
As for me having a desire to want another human being to suffer unreasonably? That would make me no better then the one that has me feeling that way.

Treating someone as less then human is not acceptable. Even if that person is guilty of treating others as less then human. It throws civilization and the evolution of society back to the dark ages.

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Mon 03/17/08 11:35 AM

listen..i didn't mean to argue with you, but that was your quote...i only copied and pasted... yes, sometimes good people do bad things, but good people don't premeditate murder or rape or find some perverse pleasure in molesting kids...


I never said they did. Did you really read my post? Or read "into" it? This is now the second time you seem to be saying I said something I did not.
OMG!!! yes, i read it.... but you keep denying what you said--you said we have no right to call other human's actions vile... WHat else do you call murder, rape, molestation?

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Mon 03/17/08 11:38 AM
i give up...my quoting was off ,but the intent was correct.. you're still saying we can only say one's actions are vile...
but sometimes it take Vile people to commit those actions

NORMAL people don't do these things...or get pleasure from doing them.... people who commit these acts FORFEIT their rights

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Mon 03/17/08 11:38 AM


listen..i didn't mean to argue with you, but that was your quote...i only copied and pasted... yes, sometimes good people do bad things, but good people don't premeditate murder or rape or find some perverse pleasure in molesting kids...


I never said they did. Did you really read my post? Or read "into" it? This is now the second time you seem to be saying I said something I did not.
OMG!!! yes, i read it.... but you keep denying what you said--you said we have no right to call other human's actions vile... WHat else do you call murder, rape, molestation?


Dude, she said calling it vile is fine, but that it wasn't our place to plaqy the judge. How do you keep misreading that?;^]

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Mon 03/17/08 11:39 AM


I disagree. As much as we might dislike what these people have done, (or allegedly done) we cannot take away their human rights. Only their freedom. To say that one human life is worth less than another is judgmental. To say the actions of a human are vile... is appropriate.

People are not always what they do. Bad people do bad things, and sometimes good people do bad things. People are not defined solely by their actions.


I disagree here. Murderer's, child molestor's and rapists are very much defined by their actions. The life of an innocent child or any other victim is worth much more than the life of any of the above. jmo

I believe it should be "an eye for a eye". Sounds archaic, but our prison system is anyting but punishment. Inmates are fed, provided clothing, watch tv, work out, and my personal favorite get an education while in there. This is punishment for murder or rape? How can they not be judged by their actions. If you do inhumane things then you shouldn't have any human rights. I disagree, good people don't commit murder and rape.