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Topic: Disturbing New Photos From Abu Ghraib
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Tue 03/04/08 10:03 PM
Edited by leahmarie on Tue 03/04/08 10:07 PM


madman,.......


One thing to remember is when a person goes on and on non-stop about his $22 an hour and his good life and continually attempts to brainwash us with this crap, there is a 100 per cent chance

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

Madman...... The above is from Shakespeare's "Hamlet." Look it up to find out what I am saying to you.

Your saying I should go watch fox news and take something to help me sleep

Shakespeare is calling the lady a liar.

dont care hat you think or shakespeare think Iam in the boilemakers union out of cleveland anything more than that would be a little to personal. all I ever said is I make more than 20 an hour and it was in responce to some clown who claimed I lived in someones basement I think. Me thinks you thinks to much about meflowerforyou



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madman.....

I am in my 50's and, conseqently, I have had two other careers before I got into HR. One of those was teaching .... high school and a university class. I suppose the teacher in me is trying to reach out to you in an attempt to make you understand that your hatred of America will only continue to make you a bitter and angry person.

If indeed you have all you claim and are not living in someone's basement, then a little gratitude to America is certainly in order. I have seen many a person like you and they have not ended up well. If you continue your course of preaching contempt for America and its military, one day you will be found hiding at the bottom of a hole the way we found Saadam. Of course, I am not speaking literally; I am making a metaphoric statement.

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Tue 03/04/08 10:16 PM




half of these pitcures aren't real anyway. Others just look bad at the time of the picture. We will never know unless we witness it.
These are the photos used in the trials of the guards at ABU graib THE EVIDENCE in fact used to convict, so tell me again how they are not real? they may not be real in your mind but they certainly were real to the judge......did you say something about loseing some debate?


I'd be interested to know how you know which pictures were used as evidence.....one thing your overlooking is that these military people were dealt with and punished but I don't see you holding the enemy up to the same standards....noway
go to the link and it tells the story. if you have some evidence they are fake or false let here it, but please make sure its real evidence and not your outraged opinion


you want evidence. I dont have any from a net source sorry, but I am a video editor and I have become adept at spoting photos and video that has be tampered with. I can tell you with 99.9% asurence that some if not all of these photos have been tampered with in some way, and im not talking about the bluring of the faces. number 2 is a perfect example. If you pay close attention to the shadow of the girl you will see that the shadow is far to dens and perfect to be a actual shadow. Want proof look at the other shadows in the room. None of them are that perfect. I have worked with many differnt types of lighting and there is no way you are going to get that type of a shadow without a subsideary shadow.


(sorry for the spelling im in a hurry)

Winx's photo
Tue 03/04/08 10:18 PM
Then how did they hold up in court?

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Tue 03/04/08 10:23 PM

Then how did they hold up in court?


In cases where there are pictures involved people are more likely to focus on the forground and not the background. I focus on both as well as subtle diffences in shading and shadow placement. The biggest givaway is the shadow placement. There are no shadows where there should be. If you look at the second pic there are shadows on the left of some objects and on the right of others. There small mistakes in what is otherwise a quality touchup job but if you know what you are looking for then you can spot them. If we could post pics I would highlight them for you.

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Wed 03/05/08 01:27 AM



madman,.......


One thing to remember is when a person goes on and on non-stop about his $22 an hour and his good life and continually attempts to brainwash us with this crap, there is a 100 per cent chance

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

Madman...... The above is from Shakespeare's "Hamlet." Look it up to find out what I am saying to you.

Your saying I should go watch fox news and take something to help me sleep

Shakespeare is calling the lady a liar.

dont care hat you think or shakespeare think Iam in the boilemakers union out of cleveland anything more than that would be a little to personal. all I ever said is I make more than 20 an hour and it was in responce to some clown who claimed I lived in someones basement I think. Me thinks you thinks to much about meflowerforyou



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madman.....

I am in my 50's and, conseqently, I have had two other careers before I got into HR. One of those was teaching .... high school and a university class. I suppose the teacher in me is trying to reach out to you in an attempt to make you understand that your hatred of America will only continue to make you a bitter and angry person.

If indeed you have all you claim and are not living in someone's basement, then a little gratitude to America is certainly in order. I have seen many a person like you and they have not ended up well. If you continue your course of preaching contempt for America and its military, one day you will be found hiding at the bottom of a hole the way we found Saadam. Of course, I am not speaking literally; I am making a metaphoric statement.
thats funny becaue I am a funny happy hardworking guy who is allways cracking jokes and makeing people laugh and looking on the bright side of life, however I can no longer ignore the tain wreck this war is and the destruction of the middle class at the hands of the rethuglicans

madisonman's photo
Wed 03/05/08 01:27 AM

Then how did they hold up in court?
Guilty as charged

wiley's photo
Wed 03/05/08 01:45 AM
Edited by wiley on Wed 03/05/08 01:46 AM
Nicholas Berg. Paul Johnson Jr. Jack Hensley. Eugene Armstrong.
Robert Jacob. Thomas Tucker. Kristian Menchaca.
Ken Bigley. Salvatore Santoro. Akihiko Saito.
Badri Ghazi Abu Hamzah. Among countless others.

Stick your moral relativity.


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Wed 03/05/08 04:46 AM




madman,.......


One thing to remember is when a person goes on and on non-stop about his $22 an hour and his good life and continually attempts to brainwash us with this crap, there is a 100 per cent chance

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

Madman...... The above is from Shakespeare's "Hamlet." Look it up to find out what I am saying to you.

Your saying I should go watch fox news and take something to help me sleep

Shakespeare is calling the lady a liar.

dont care hat you think or shakespeare think Iam in the boilemakers union out of cleveland anything more than that would be a little to personal. all I ever said is I make more than 20 an hour and it was in responce to some clown who claimed I lived in someones basement I think. Me thinks you thinks to much about meflowerforyou



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madman.....

I am in my 50's and, conseqently, I have had two other careers before I got into HR. One of those was teaching .... high school and a university class. I suppose the teacher in me is trying to reach out to you in an attempt to make you understand that your hatred of America will only continue to make you a bitter and angry person.

If indeed you have all you claim and are not living in someone's basement, then a little gratitude to America is certainly in order. I have seen many a person like you and they have not ended up well. If you continue your course of preaching contempt for America and its military, one day you will be found hiding at the bottom of a hole the way we found Saadam. Of course, I am not speaking literally; I am making a metaphoric statement.
thats funny becaue I am a funny happy hardworking guy who is allways cracking jokes and makeing people laugh and looking on the bright side of life, however I can no longer ignore the tain wreck this war is and the destruction of the middle class at the hands of the rethuglicans




madman...... B.S. You hate America and all it stands for and you are continually initiating anti-American, Bush-bashing threads/posts, and put downs on our military. You call that being funny, happy, cracking jokes, making people laugh, and looking on the bright side of life? That guy was right when he said you've been living in your friend's basement too long.

armydoc4u's photo
Wed 03/05/08 05:01 AM
Edited by armydoc4u on Wed 03/05/08 05:04 AM

Then how did they hold up in court?


ever been through or sat in a military trial?

I have, as a bailiff (the unit which the tried individual is from has to supply someone to be represented as the courts bailiff I got chose)

anyway- the old saying innocent until proven guilty does not fly in the military, except on capital offense type things. the military prosecutor could have held up anything and submitted it into evidence.

our particular case was a man accused of assaulting his wife. 3 counts of assault actually.

assault one, he threw water in her face at a restaurant, where she had taken him (a public place) to inform him of her pregnancy---to another man from when he was deployed.

assault two, taking her phone away from her that had pictures of her new lover and his "junk" on it. (a phone that he paid for BTW)

and final assault was for putting his hands up blocking her slaps, she has bruises that he caused on her hands if you can believe that crap.


the trial was a joke, it lasted three hours...... pictures were blown up from her phone and submitted into evidence. the prosecutor objected of course saying that the pictures were of the soldier, luckily when the soldier stood to drop his pants to prove it wasnt him the courts prosecutor conceded.

end result, the soldier was found guilty of three counts of assault to cause bodily harm. sentenced for time served (3 months) and ordered to be immediately kicked out of the military. WHAT A JOKE!!! the things that the military men and women go through just to make the PC crowds happy. you can all bl*w me.

I would have loved to have seen the abu graibe trial go to court in the civilian world, everybody involved would have got off with no judgments against them.

adj4u's photo
Wed 03/05/08 05:10 AM
Edited by adj4u on Wed 03/05/08 05:10 AM
insert the dialog from jack on the stand ia few good men here

starting with

the truth you cant handle the truth

thru to where he is taken into custody

armydoc4u's photo
Wed 03/05/08 05:22 AM
all they did was weaken a country.



of course when they arent the ones standing in the kill zone its hard for them to see that.

but its cool, the more they rant, then the more the little bad guys try to hunt soldiers down and that less of them trying to kill people back in the states and more slugs for us to kill there, so in the end they are doing their parts.laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh grumble

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