As strange as it may sound, (coming from a non-Christian) I understand the meaning of "God's will be done."

For me, God is the collective consciousness that is all that is, and we are part of that. We are all connected. (Again quantum science proves this.)

Soon, (and I think very soon,) Science and Spirituality will connect all the dots and a perfect picture of the true nature of reality will surface. Many scientific theories will be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, others will be discarded.

Religions will fade away.

"God's will be done." is an acknowledgment to ourselves that we do not have all information in the universe, and that we do not know it all, but that the connected collective unconscious and an intelligence that encompasses all of us, holding more information than we do, is much wiser than us.

It is saying that what we want for ourselves, we want for the good of all. It is putting our faith in a higher intelligence.

I see no reason to think otherwise.

Jeannie

Two things about your statement, first; if the ‘essence’ has nothing to do with the physical world, then our will is not free as we are ‘bound’ in a state of existence that is not natural to our nature. If we are god, in the spirit, than our physical being is not our natural state, and thus is restrains us.

Secondly, we can not earn awareness. We can only place the self in the context of what we know and/or believe. There is no way to physically continue without out ever giving a thought to the physical self. Our awareness is always framed by the physical.



If we could ‘decide’ what to feel, we would have no need of emotion. Unfortunately emotion is one of those instincts that often keep us out of danger. If every action a person takes was carefully thought out and all current memory and knowledge were used to determine the action, the action would be the will of the person making it, but the outcome of that action or the way it’s viewed by others, is not going to be based on the same memories and knowledge used by the person whose action was witnessed. So judgment of others actions are made without understanding the reasoning behind the ‘will’.



The way I see it you are saying (the will is the power that drives a person.) This is what I take exception to. That statement implies that will is not conscious. If we cannot bring what drives us into our consciousness, how can we know how to proceed?

If I have a drive to do anything, it must emanate from somewhere. Where do you think it emanates from? From your other conversation I might make an educated guess, but I’ll let you answer. While you’re answering, may I also ask, whatever the source of that drive is, will it always be driving us in the right direction?




If humans had the power you attribute here, there would be no need of medicine. If we had the power to regenerate faulty equipment (body parts), there would be no mental deficiencies, no Alzheimer’s disease, no amnesia and mental illness, due to chemical imbalance, could be easily corrected by the thought of the individual and spinal columns could be self-regenerating, and we would never grow old or die of natural causes.

If your choices serve you and also the greater good, that is a good choice. If your choices only serve the little ego and hurt others, that is not a good choice. If you sacrifice yourself to serve the greater good that is not a good choice.



Always act with love. This way, it matters not if you believe in God.

If you act with unconditional love you have made a good choice. If you act with love, you will always do the right thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmkiMlvLKto

This directs you to a fabulous study of a man named Clive Wearing. The majority of his frontal lobes were destryed by an illness. It's quite a compelling story. It's in several parts and also there are other documentary clips about him and his wife mixed in. I really hope you'll take some time to watch it and imagine what your life would be like if you suddenly had no eposidic memory of your life, what-so-ever.

Exactly.

Humans do have this power and what you describe will be the future of the race. But that will be a very long time coming.

We are spiritual beings having human experience. (I'm sure you have heard this before, but it is true IMO) Yes we are restricted because we lack wisdom and knowledge and we lack our true memory of who we are. We are "bound" by our lack of awareness. But all we have to do is remember who we are to gain it back. It would be like when you are having a dream and suddenly you realize that you are dreaming and you know who your are and you know where you are sleeping in your bed, in the outer world. This is called lucid dreaming.




The physical is very much a part of who we are in every respect. After all, we created it with our mind. But the physical body cannot contain all that we are and the brain cannot contain all that we truly know.

I did experience that briefly once. I fell off of a horse and hit my head. When I woke up I did not remember anything. Not my name or anything. It lasted for about three hours, then I came back to myself. Upon returning the memory of the event was like a dream. I only remembered it vaguely. The memory of the entire rest of the day was lost forever. I would imagine you would be like a different person. But you would still be self aware... of that new person.

Jeannie

We can to some extent decide how to feel, or how to feel about things in general. We can decide what makes us angry or we can reframe the incident and decide to forgive.

If we were constantly reacting to things and had no handle on our emotions, we might be totally out of control. Self mastery is not about controlling emotions, however. It is about using the will to direct the emotions into positive things.

We certainly can decide how to feel. A change of attitude changes how we feel and react to things.



I think it is instinct that keeps us out of danger. And maybe our higher awareness keeps us out of danger.




Edited:
Reasoning is done by the "mind" and/or brain. It is not done by the Will. Everyone is unique. The same exact experiences and or memory, (if that were possible to inject into a person's brain) may not always result in the same decisions.. if the Will is brought into it.

The Will can rise above all other influences that direct decision making.

Jeannie

I watched the above video. That guy does have quite a problem. The cure lies in the key to unlocking the memory of the body.

I saw an account of one person who had half of his brain removed, yet that person's brain adjusted and functioned as a whole brain. Memory was not affected.

Science just does not know enough about these things.. yet.

Jeannie

The will is conscious. We can bring what drives us into our consciousness.




It emanates from within us. (as apposed to from somewhere out there) It will always drive us in the "right" direction when we listen to it.

There are other things that cause us to make choices besides the Will. That is our programing.. DNA... instinct. etc. These are put in place so that we can operate on automatic so to speak. Like our heart does. (We do not have to think about the beating of our heart to keep it beating.) We do not have to think about reacting in an emergency situation of fight or flight. We simply react.

The little self (called the ego) which we identify as ourselves, is allowed to make its own decisions in ignorance of the true self. It is allowed to be in charge... to a certain degree. From there this discussion ...can get very complicated.

Jeannie

A brain would have no reason to function in a jar, and without a nervous system it wouldn’t anyway. OK – so your question (is it conscious) Is what conscious – the brain? How could it be, it can’t function in a jar?



Let’s put it this way, could we function without the brain? What could we possibly ‘think’ if we had no memory? (I’m speaking of the physical human, not a spirit) Without memory, what could we know so what would we ‘think’ about?




Ok – if will exists outside of consciousness – what makes us think about it, and make decisions regarding it?


Is it a reference book? Who’s the author?



I think the consensus is that whatever materials have formed the physical realm are pretty much inclusive of every physical form. To me that means that the resources available were capable of combining and evolving in such a way as to create every physical thing that exists. Sounds logical to me, but then I’m an atheist and don’t believe that a pre-existent being created something out of pure thought.



Science connecting the dots will not change the way our human body functions, however, biophysical genetic engineering; may. Of course if religion fades away, so will spirituality and reincarnation and possibly all ideas of continued existence beyond the physical.




Sounds like you describe one the heavens of the Christian faith. Life, without hunger, illness or death. Immortality, what for? If we know everything, what would “drive” us?

I've noticed you've made some replies. I will have to respond tomorrow. Thanks for the rhetoric. I don't get much time for these kinds of conversations lately. Let me know about that book you suggested, can't promise I'll read it, but I'll check it out.

My will is weak, 22 hours without sleep, I am consciously deciding to allow the unconscious to overtake me. Good-night!

di

Spirituality will not fade away... LOL it will become science at that point. The only reason it is called "spirituality" now is because modern science can't explain it.

A great book to expand your mind:
The Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot

Special mention in contributing to the book:
Davi Bohm, Ph.D and Karl Pribram, Ph.D

also:
Barbara Bohm, M.S. Larry Dossy, M.D., Brenda Dunne, Ph.D.,
Elizabeth W. Fenske, Ph.D, Gordon Giobus, Jim Gorden, Stanislav Grof, Ph.D,

bla bla bla.... lots of other Ph.D's involved in the acknowledgements.

Anyway it impressed me a lot

Also you might go to my website and follow some links found at the bottom of this page. Some guy in Austrailia thinks he has found the connection. Most of it is above my head...but seems to fly in my reality.

http://www.queenofcoins.com/reality.html

goodnight

(sigh)

I did not state that the Will exists outside of consciousness. I stated that the Will exists outside of the mind.

The mind is not the brain.
Consciousness is not "being conscious" as apposed to being unconscious or asleep or in a coma.

Consciousness is awareness of any degree. It created the mind. The mind created the dream world in which we live.

We live in a holographic type 'dream' world.

At least that is as far as I have come in my personal conclusions. I could be wrong. I am waiting for more information to be assimilated. LOL

yes we have free will.......We have free will to believe in God the Father or not believe.....I think if you look at genetics you have generational curses but in the biblical sense...Let me explain.....My families bibilical curse was alcoholism....Somewhere in the family some did some very very unpleasing to God....and thus this is what happen....Now this goes on and on for more then 400 years, where I can trace my family lineage and in each family with an alcoholic. Now then we have one part of the family that listen to God, walks the walk so to speak instead of just talking the talk. The generational curse is broken, and now the families from then on have no alcoholics.

Now you also have choice to your free will.....for example.....If I chose to sleep with a man and I am married, that is my choice my free will.....But I will at some point pay dearly for this choice/free will. And also I would hope that this choice I would make would lead me to my Father God and seek the right choice for myself that would be pleasing to God.

The will to direct one's self has nothing to do with whether you belief in a God or not. It is connected to a higher awareness IMO.

Redykulous,



Do you know any more about this man Clive Wearing? I may know a man who can help him. I have sent him an email asking for his opinion of the condition. He is a man who regained his childhood memories which he had lost after a head injury. He was without these memories for over 10 years. Even so, I don'tknow if Clive Wearing can be reached.

A trend I have noticed in this thread and others is for people to use rationalizations rather than reasoning. Please remember that there is a huge difference and you should search your heart and make sure that what you are posting is reasoned, rather than rationalized. If we all use reasoning, I think we will have a more honest discussion.





Just a suggestion from your friendly neighborhood SpiderCMB.

The post above has nothing whatever to do with the topic we are discussing. If you have anything specific you would like to question please do so.

Thank you.
Jeannie

You are correct, my post has nothing to do with the subject. But it does have a great deal to do with how the subject is being discussed. If there was anything specific I wanted to question, I would have already posted. We can all continue to ignore the elephant in the room, I don't care. I would rather avoid being flamed than to speak my mind openly.