It doesn't bug me in the slightest. I respect your opinion. However... again. Where is your bases of proof? Just to say someone is something does not make him that.

Lot of time spent looking for illegalities. None ever found. What a waste.

shadowdog...... You said you "wouldn't vote obama dude since he's muslim---never know what this character can do if he's the prez--'

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Someone correct me if I am wrong, but Obama is not Muslim. Hillary started that rumour, because Obama went to an elementary school, which is now Muslim. However, it was not a Muslim school when he attended.

Incidentally, I am not for Obama. I think his lack of experience is a handicapp, particularly in the field of foreign affairs. I am not sure whom I intend to vote for -- just know it won't be Hillary, Obama, Huckabee, or Ron Paul.

If the man is not Muslim, then why when he took office, did he put his hand on the Koran to be sworn in?

Captain and Tenale ...... That wasn't Obama who put his hand on The Koran to be sworn in. Darn, I remember that incident, but I don't recall the guy who did it.

P.S. The minute I posted this, I remembered .... Congressman Keith Ellison, who is a Black Muslim Democrat from Minn.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,233983,00.html

Even if it was true... I don't see it as an issue.

Islam is a very misunderstood religion in the Christian community. Actually... in the Christian community.. The Qu'ran is second only to the Bible as the most misquoted and misunderstood collection of text.

jistme..... you gave the below link -- couldn't bring it up. What is it about?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,233983,00.html

Saturday , December 02, 2006



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WASHINGTON —

Keith Ellison, who will become the first Muslim member of Congress next month, has offended some conservatives with his plan to use a Koran during his ceremonial swearing-in.

The decision by Ellison, a Democrat, to use Islam's holy book for the ceremony instead of a Bible triggered an angry column by Dennis Prager on the Web site Townhall.com this week.

Prager headlined the post, "America, Not Keith Ellison, decides what book a congressman takes his oath on." He argued that using the Koran for the ceremony "undermines American civilization."

"Insofar as a member of Congress taking an oath to serve America and uphold its values is concerned, America is interested in only one book, the Bible," he wrote. "If you are incapable of taking an oath on that book, don't serve in Congress."

Conservative bloggers have picked up the criticism and run with it.

Ellison was unavailable for comment Friday, but his incoming chief of staff, Kari Moe, dismissed the brouhaha.

"I think the criticism is being flamed by the politics of division that were rejected in the '06 election cycle," said Moe, who worked for 10 years for the late Democratic Sen. Paul Wellstone.

Moe noted in a telephone interview that the tradition is for all members of Congress to be sworn in together on the House floor. It is in the photo-op ceremony that a Bible is used — or, in Ellison's case, the Koran.

But Prager argued in a telephone interview that the ceremony was no less significant than the actual swearing-in.

"Oh, that's the whole point: it's exactly because it's ceremonial that it matters to me," he said. "Ceremonies matter. Ceremonies are exceedingly important. That is the way a society states what is most significant to it."

Prager argued that the issue was not about freedom of religion.

"I want Jews like myself to take the oath on the Bible, even though the New Testament is not our Bible," he said.

Asked if it would be a problem for a Jewish lawmaker to take the oath on a Bible that included only the Old Testament, Prager responded, "Yes, it would," because he said the point is to honor the "Bible of this country."

But despite writing that Ellison should not serve in Congress if he does not take an oath with the Bible, Prager said he did not think Ellison should be banned from serving.

"I don't think anything legal should be done about this," he said.

Moe said the issue was pretty straightforward.

"Religious freedom is a tradition in our country," she said.

Ellison won an open House seat in November's elections to replace longtime Democratic Rep. Martin Sabo, who is retiring.

Thanks for the info ..... interesting ...... didn't know there were two swearing in ceromonies. I think the guy should have used the bible.

But if Christianity isn't his religion... no he shouldn't have. I would rather someone swear on something they believe in, but thats just me... or is it? I think most people would agree that if you're being sworn into office to do anything to do with our government I want you believing what you are saying. If a Muslim/Islam puts their hand on the bible to swear wouldn't that be like lying b/c they don't believe what it says? I couldn't with a clear conceince swear on a bible b/c I don't believe in it, but I could swear on my Book of Shadows b/c I believe in it whole heartedly.

Your post from another thread.



I'm I the only one here who interprets these two posts as diametrically opposed to one another?

Many People do not have an issue of patriotism.. They have an issue with the Christian religion... That is the sole reason they do not hold their hand to their heart during the anthem and pledge.

The young voters will be a big influence to Obama........As for Ms. Clinton.....I don't know if the world is yet ready for a woman for president....although people may argue it's still a fact. As for Obama, I had the pleasure of meeting him, he came to my work place before he was senator...very soft spoken man, very courteous, but I'm sure being a junior senator, ......he would be more like a puppet on a string.

I think what the world is not ready for is the Clintons back in the White House! I definately would have no issues voting for a woman....just not Hillary!

Swearing allegiance to your country and your faith are not contradictory acts. The Qu'ran and Bible are both books that preach peace. So where is the conflict? Is it the way some people translate scripture?

Ever wonder why so many of Hillary's friends have died? LOL.
En did you see the evil come out in the debate. I would not trust her in anything. En certainly not in foreign affairs let alone domestic.

It is my observation that more woman denouce Hillarys candidacy on these threads than men. I wonder why that is?

Because she keeps saying is speaking for the women of America en she has not a clue. We do not want to be associated with a woman that tries to act like a guy en worse than any guy I know...she cannot be truthful en forthright. She was asked questions last night that lead her into the perpetual "let me change the friggin subject" mode.

En I do not want Barbara Boxer as a VP. LOL. OR Pulosi!

not sure if anyone even bothered to post this....cuz i'm not gonna bother to read through that many pages

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama

"Born in Honolulu to a Kenyan father and an American mother, Obama grew up in culturally diverse surroundings. He lived most of his early life in Hawaii, and spent four of his pre-teen years in Jakarta, Indonesia. A graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, Obama worked as a community organizer, university lecturer, and civil rights lawyer before running for public office. He served in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004, launching his campaign for U.S. Senate in 2003."

"A theme of Obama's keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, and the title of his 2006 book, The Audacity of Hope, was inspired by his pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright.[136] In Chapter 6 of the book, titled "Faith," Obama writes that he "was not raised in a religious household." He describes his mother, raised by non-religious parents, as detached from religion, yet "in many ways the most spiritually awakened person that I have ever known." He describes his Kenyan father as "raised a Muslim," but a "confirmed atheist" by the time his parents met, and his Indonesian stepfather as "a man who saw religion as not particularly useful." The chapter details how Obama, in his twenties, while working with local churches as a community organizer, came to understand "the power of the African American religious tradition to spur social change." Obama writes: "It was because of these newfound understandings—that religious commitment did not require me to suspend critical thinking, disengage from the battle for economic and social justice, or otherwise retreat from the world that I knew and loved—that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ one day and be baptized."


so there ya go. he's neither been planted there for ruining of our nation, nor is he a muslim

and even if he were a muslim, that would not make him a bad person or a terrorist. he's just be a muslim