100% FREE ONLINE DATING
sponsored links
Previous
| Topic: Coronavirus - part 2 | |
|---|---|
|
|
|
My 19 years old son got vaccinated with the first shot of Astra Zeneca, and now in the light of new information I don't want to put my son at any risk. Unfortunately, in Poland, he can't receive a second shot by Pfizer because they don't allow it and we don't have any choice even on my responsibility, I don't know what to do.. We have no choice... 
we are only using Pfizer in nz at this stage .. our neighbour ., The Australian government provided the following advice .... “Advice for people who have had their first dose of AstraZeneca vaccine..... Almost all of the cases of TTS reported to date have occurred after the first dose of the vaccine. People who have had their first dose without any serious side effects can be confident in getting their second dose.” In contrast ..... “The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) advised that any remaining unvaccinated adults in phases 1 and 2 of the programme who are aged 18 to 29 years old and do not have an underlying health condition that puts them at higher risk from serious COVID-19, should be offered an ALTERNATIVE vaccine, IF AVAILABLE , AND WHERE NO SUBSTANTIAL DELAY OR BARRIER TO VACCINATION WOULD ARISE . As far as mixing vaccine platforms and efficacy of dosing .. this article provides some interesting information. .. http://www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-vaccine-travel-green-certificate/amp/ A couple of questions Nicole .. How long ago did your son have his first dose ? How did he tolerate it ? Does he have any health concerns ? If I have understood you correctly ., Poland is not offering an alternative vaccine .. the only option is AstraZeneca . Is that correct ? Is your son exposed to active covid infections where you live? Hello Blondey111, 
It is a long story... I send my great admiration, respect, and gratitude to all medical staff in the world for caring for us. They rescue our lives and they have beautiful hearts. Unfortunately, the medical care here is on a very low level. Now I am pretty sure I can't trust them here, it is so sad but I can tell this from my experiences which are connected with my son and me. When I was pregnant, they made the first mistake, another when I was born my son, another when he was a baby and for all our lives were so many medical mistakes. A short story about our vaccination. First I consulted with a professor who knows my son from birth and me too. She told me that we should not be afraid to get a vaccination from Astra Zeneca. Of course, she knew about our contraindications. I was waiting for the first shot and they didn't inform us about possibilities even at a time when the vaccines were. I called and I received the information that we have only one term on Astra Zeneca. On a day of vaccination, I received a call that they have a one-term on Pfizer but in the time when in a city where we live ( 200K citizens city ) now by all week we didn't have warm water. ( it is three times in spring and summertime by every year that for all week we don't have warm water because they build a road or pa pipes, doesn't matter pandemic time and the fact that people don't care about hygiene in this time ). We don't have another term because they vaccination now children above 12 and we have to wait for the next few months, even if vaccines are wasting. That's why I called this professor and ask her about medical advice considering our health condition and she told: "don't worry". After the first shot, we still have muscle and joint pain. My son had only three times in his life a fever when he had a cold. Now he had a fever and he is still feeling bad and faint, he had another symptom too. Now we only have to possibly receive a second shot by Astra Zeneca even if we both know that we have contraindications. They don't agree to mixed vaccines and the same I have to resign for this second shot. This is insane for me that I can't decide for myself. I have no choice, and I don't want to put my son and me in danger to life, especially when in Italy died a young 18 girl because of comorbidities after receiving Astra. They have a Pfizer but no one can't agree to give us the second shot by Pfizer. They know that people resign from the second shot of Astra but they don't care about it. I have to wait now 84 days and I don't know what happens because after this time I should have a possibility to get a new shot from the first dose but I know that here it is impossible. What important we don't have full protection because we don't have a chance to receive a second boost from Pfizer. ( what is curious they cut the term of the second shot in Astra Zeneca from 12 weeks to 35 days because they want to vaccine all people who received the first shot of Astra Zeneca no matter the age like my son. ) What important to, now they only vaccination by Astra Zeneca the people who got the first shot by Astra, and they stopped now give Astra from the first shot other people, other people got vaccinations on Pfizer and J&J. Unfortunately, my son is exposed now to active SARS-COV-2 infections where we live. All this situation is for me so sad and I was thinking why I have to fight for everything. The original AstraZeneca clinical trial showed that the vaccine was more effective when the second dose was given at 12 weeks (84 days) rather than when it was given earlier . So do not worry about the delay . It will give you time to plan and feel confident about your next decision . The symptoms you and your son experienced are “common”vaccine related symptoms that mean your immune system has been activated (that is good news) . . Symptoms will resolve , so do not let that deter you from having a second dose , if that is what you decide . The first dose .. will elicit a cellular response involving Tcells ... so you will both have some immunity . ( I have a report detailing anticipated immunity after the first and second dose and will post a link later when I can access that report )... As your son is only 19 he should have a stronger immune response than you . It is important to note that Oxford (AstraZeneca ) have recently halted a paediatric trial (6 to 17year olds ) pending a review by MHRA (Britain’s medication regulators ) . The outcome and recommendations of this review is expected shortly (before your next dose is due ) . No doubt any country using AstraZeneca will be interested in the outcome also. http://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/oxford-pauses-dosing-in-trial-of-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-in-children-teenagers-11617729303 Canadian health authorities /national advisory has released advice about vaccine mixing which you may be able to show your health provider. Here is the link ... http://news.ontario.ca/en/release/1000256/ontario-updating-astrazeneca-second-dose-guidance sorry ... I didn’t quite understand what you meant by resigning. Do you mean you are forced to have the vaccines as a condition of work ?? Hi Blondey111, Thank you so much for your explanation. I decide ( by resign I mean to reject a second dose ) to reject a second dose, not because of symptoms after the first shot but because of research which says that is a much higher possibility of elicit blood clots than they said earlier especially because my son and I, we both have a medical contraindication. Almost all of Europe agree to got Pfizer as a second dose after the first dose of Astra Zeneca as a mixed vaccine but not in Poland. I don't agree to take a second dose of Astra because I don't want to put us in danger of life, it is a very high possibility that we both are at risk of complications related to blood clots. ( especially that now they hurry up and they cut the term of the second dose of Astra to 35 days what like you wrote reduce an effective it ). I would like to take a second dose by Pfizer but it is impossible to mix vaccines here because of the decision of the Polish government. No one here is not interested in research from scientists from all over the world, because of the decisions of the government. I realize that it is very difficult to understand it but it is a standard of life here. If I will show them this Canadian scientist research or another it can't help because I tried to explain to them our problem and it doesn't work here like you are thinking. People very often don't realize how it looks like life here. About health providers.. it doesn't exist here anymore. Health care in Poland is on a very, very low level. Family medicine doctors can't help me because they don't have a good enough knowledge of specialists like immunology and they direct me to specialists in immunology which I have to wait from a few months to a year. For all specialist appointments, I have always to wait from a few months to a year. I have to pay obligatory fees for health care all my life and I can't change it for private insurance. I can only pay for both what is very expensive. I have to pay these obligatory fees but I can't receive medical care from a specialist. If you have to wait it can be simple too late to help you. ( You pay for all your life obligatory fees and you can't choose that you would like to pay for it by private medical care. The cost depends on our salary but if you earn the lowest salary which is now 545$ for a month, this fee it is about 220$ per month if you to earn more for example 950$ you have to pay about 410$ on these obligatory fees. What important you pay it, for all life but if you are sick and if you need medical care you have to wait for a specialist and a medical examination for a year maybe longer. Of course, you can pay extra if you would like to check this medical examination earlier. If you call an ambulance they can't arrive... etc.. etc.. etc. ) That's why I am so sad that we can't receive a second dose by Pfizer even if we want. Thank you so much for all your information, Blondey111. For me, it is very helpful.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Maybe consider not having the 2nd shot? If it's only a booster... There was a woman a few weeks back on a FB group I'm in and she almost died from the 1st shot due to a severe allergic reaction. She was not allowed a 2nd of course and she was told it wasn't necessary, you didn't need it. Something along those lines. So maybe not getting it is okay? Unless he needs his proof for something. Difficult decision if you believe in getting the vaccinations. Wishing him good luck! Hi SparklingCrystal, Thank you so much for your support. Here even if I have proof that my son shouldn't receive a second dose of Astra it doesn't change the reality that he can't received a second shot by Pfizer. That's why we have to reject this 2nd shot even if we would like to take it from Pfizer. Thank you for your kind words and have a beautiful day!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
I might have mentioned it before, but in Ireland, healthcare staff had no other option, but the AZ vaccine.
I got both shots now, no problems whatsoever. And I didn't hear about any colleagues having problems either |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
I might have mentioned it before, but in Ireland, healthcare staff had no other option, but the AZ vaccine.
I got both shots now, no problems whatsoever. And I didn't hear about any colleagues having problems either Hi Larsi666, Nice to hear from you. Thank you so much for your kind answer. I appreciate it. My consere it is not about safety's both of vaccines Pfeizer and Astra Zeneca, but about our health contraindications. That's why I can't receive a second dose of Astra Zeneca. Have a beautiful day  |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
I might have mentioned it before, but in Ireland, healthcare staff had no other option, but the AZ vaccine.
I got both shots now, no problems whatsoever. And I didn't hear about any colleagues having problems either Hi Larsi666, Nice to hear from you. Thank you so much for your kind answer. I appreciate it. My consere it is not about safety's both of vaccines Pfeizer and Astra Zeneca, but about our health contraindications. That's why I can't receive a second dose of Astra Zeneca. Have a beautiful day
Please stay safe and well
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Please stay safe and well Thank you so much and you too, please stay safe and healthy.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Edited by
Duttoneer
on
Mon 06/21/21 12:48 AM
|
|
Just when you thought you have had all your Coronavirus jabs here in the UK. 
Covid booster vaccine plan to be set out in due course - government source http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57548796 "Plans for a Covid booster jab programme will be published "in due course", a senior government source has said. "Extensive" research is being conducted into the effect of different vaccine combinations, the source said. But a Department of Health spokesman said final decisions on the booster programme would partly depend on the data from ongoing clinical trials, such as the UK's Cov-Boost trial." |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Just when you thought you have had all your Coronavirus jabs here in the UK.
Covid booster vaccine plan to be set out in due course - government source http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57548796 "Plans for a Covid booster jab programme will be published "in due course", a senior government source has said. "Extensive" research is being conducted into the effect of different vaccine combinations, the source said. But a Department of Health spokesman said final decisions on the booster programme would partly depend on the data from ongoing clinical trials, such as the UK's Cov-Boost trial." there are several trials underway mixing vaccine platforms.. which I am following .
As for boosters .(and annual vaccination) i have always expected that would be the likely scenario , given ongoing mutations and the fact that researchers still do not know yet exactly how long immunity lasts. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
@Nicole .. I tried to send you the latest recommendations from MHRA regarding AstraZeneca but your profile/chat was turned off . If you are interested message me when you are next online
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Just when you thought you have had all your Coronavirus jabs here in the UK.
Covid booster vaccine plan to be set out in due course - government source http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57548796 "Plans for a Covid booster jab programme will be published "in due course", a senior government source has said. "Extensive" research is being conducted into the effect of different vaccine combinations, the source said. But a Department of Health spokesman said final decisions on the booster programme would partly depend on the data from ongoing clinical trials, such as the UK's Cov-Boost trial." there are several trials underway mixing vaccine platforms.. which I am following .
As for boosters .(and annual vaccination) i have always expected that would be the likely scenario , given ongoing mutations and the fact that researchers still do not know yet exactly how long immunity lasts. Hi Blondey111. Yes, I thought there may be a booster jab in time for the winter, probably about the time we start to receive the annual Flu jabs, it makes sense to have a booster. Preferably of the same vaccine, but thoughts are, that by having a different vaccine it may increase your protection against Coronavirus in its many different strains, it will be interesting to read about the findings of the clinical trials.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
@Nicole .. I tried to send you the latest recommendations from MHRA regarding AstraZeneca but your profile/chat was turned off . If you are interested message me when you are next online
Hi Blondey111, Thank you so much. I wish you a beautiful day.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Edited by
Blondey111
on
Tue 06/22/21 06:21 PM
|
|
New mutation to covid “delta “ variant (delta plus) raises concerns new concerns ...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-indian-authorities-declare-delta-plus-mutation-as-new-variant-of-concern/3TLPWA5WNYJEODG76SPBCL5G3E/ |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Covid: Is there a limit to how much worse variants can get? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57431420 "It is clear we are now dealing with a virus that spreads far more easily - probably more than twice as easily - as the version that emerged in Wuhan at the end of 2019. The Alpha variant, first identified in Kent, UK, performed a large jump in its ability to transmit. Now Delta, seen first in India, leapt further still. This virus has surprised us a lot. It is beyond anything we feared," said Dr Aris Katzourakis, who studies viral evolution at the University of Oxford. "The fact it has happened twice in 18 months, two lineages (Alpha and then Delta) each 50% more transmissible is a phenomenal amount of change. In rich countries with good vaccination campaigns it is hoped the next variants won't be able to pose a major problem due to widespread immunity. But these progressively more transmissible variants are a nightmare for the rest of the world where they are making it harder and harder to stay on top of Covid." |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
As of today we FINALLY can go into shops etc. WITHOUT a face mask!! YEEEEEHAAAAA!!!!
It was great to do, makes you feel normal again. 
Unfortunately some were still wearing one, mostly the German tourists. But it is absolutely great to see human faces again! 
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
A wee bit of freedom is great!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Freedom and normalcy, which is basically what it is.
Normally entering the supermarket, no mask, no trolley mandatory :) Back to normal. For as long as it lasts. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
NZ perspective on the covid end game and reopening to the world ....
http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/125580487/eliminate-or-learn-to-live-with-it--whats-the-covid-endgame Does it look like your country has a covid end game strategy in sight ? How do you feel about that ?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
The UK government wants to end all legal requirements on restrictions from the 19th July, and move to personal responsibility, where for example, the wearing of a mask would be a personal choice. They inform us that we are to live with the Coronavirus as we live with the flu virus, the vaccinations providing the protection now and in the future.
However, not everyone eligible is yet fully vaccinated and the numbers of infections from the Delta variant first found in India are at present increasing very rapidly, mainly in those unvaccinated. We should hear more on their decision this week, but it looks very likely restrictions will soon be lifted in the UK. How foreign travel in to and out of the country will be affected is still unclear. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
personal responsibility
Yeah, that's pretty much how its been around here for the last few months. I'm still on the fence about getting the shots. I'm leaning towards just doing it and getting it out of the way. Its not that I am against being vaccinated, its about the fact there are so many vaccinatioons and so many strains. I'm wondering if I get a cuurent vaccination it could make me have to get a series of additional vaccinations for all the different formulas to cover each strain. But, up till I had an adverse reaction, I got the flu shot each year. I didn't rush out to get a bird flu shot or a swine flu shot. Frankly, I don't know why they don't work on a vaccine which covers all virus infections? Y'know, one shot and yer covered for life. Someone should work on THAT. |
|
|
|
|
