Faith in a given 'religon' generally cannot be explained rationally, scientifically, or with final proven conclusions. Most are centered on an omnipotent being or force whose knowledge, methods and power are far beyond the understanding of the faithful.

There are numerous questions that simply can no more be answered by the faithful about their god and his/her ways than an amoeba can expound on the works of Shakespeare. When one decides to investigate and select a belief many questions are put to those who went before them. However at some point a decision is made as to whether to continue 'on faith' acceptin that which could be understood and leaving the rest in the hands of faith.

Is it rational? Put to the test -probably not. Delusional? Maybe, but it works to provide a missing ingredient for many, giving them (us) a peace that life is not a random, chaotic string of events. Rather that, even if we don't understand it all, and would often -in our limited view- do some things different, there is a greater power at work. A power that we trust has a greater good in mind.

No, the faithful cannot answer all the questions. But in that inability too, there is peace. After all, if we could understand it all, we'd be on the same level as our god. Inversely, that would place him on our level!!!! Perish the thought!!!!

to say the original question doesn't have a rational answer because it is beyond the comprehension of the believer is the same as if Children was having holiday wars and killing each other in the name of Santa ...

would one not ask the children why they would do such things for something unseen and incomprehensible and not try to make rational sense out of the whole matter...

would society keep encouraging this type of behavior among the children and just say it's beyond their comprehension and would people just say let the children continue to act in this matter or would they deem it as strange behavior

God was here before the heavens and the earth. its called faith for a reason, you just have to believe.

blind belief isn't providing the answers that this thread seeks

whether or not it's sick and/or wrong in your opinion, my body is my own. if there's anything in this world i should be free to use or abuse at my discression, it's my own body

hmmm, provocation supercedes genuine interest.
In the human experience there are unanswered questions in every endeavor. We're simply not smart enough to know everything. But that's ok.
Choice of belief systems is, in the end, a personal matter.
Regretting the attacks you've suffered for your choice, I hope it's in your path to find peace with your 'God'.
~fin~

"42"

well, i believe and I am not afraid

The war part, disagreements and arguements over religion is truly sad... but a part of life since time on earth in the flesh began pretty much. Everyone has their own opinions about everything. 10 people out of 100 in the same forum can't even agree usually. Most forums here wind up into name calling brawls... Too many try to force their opinions on to others or get

How did the eye evolve?
How did blood clotting evolve?

Two very simple questions that obliterate the theory of evolution.
Not assuming or saying that you believe in it, but here you are raising questions on subjects no human being has the intelligence to understand-

"how can their be a Being that has all ways been???"
its the whole chicken & the egg story.

Imagine trying to explain the human circulatory system to an ANT.
Imagine trying to explain the human lymphatic system to your DOG.

We dont even know our OWN BRAINS properly. Yet we ask questions like this.

All this is, is an excuse.
Every anti-creation is just a pitiful attempt to find a REASON why they dont need to abide under Him.

evolution and natural selection work hand and hand.

the first eye was brought about far before the dinosaurs, in the ocean. a creature developed them to better get prey, and after that it became a standard. apparently you don't watch the discovery channel, they had a whole bit on stuff like that. developement of sight, feeling, ability to moderate body temperature, the advent of the 3 chambered heart

blood clotting, while i do not know that, it is a necessity for survival.

your words disprove nothing, they only show that once again religious folk throw up questions that THEY do not have answers for as if they are unanswerable

You explanation of the evolution of the eye is completely flawed.

According to the fundamental principle of evolution; mutations, we came from simple to more complex.

Now, if you have NO blood clotting system and you cut yourself; you bleed to death.
So if we "evolved" to get more and more complex; tell me how did the lifeforms evolve to create the ability of blood clotting?
if in order to DO this, you need to experience it right?
no experience = no call to evolve into a superior species right?

but if you dont have a blood clot system and you get cut, you bleed to death.
Remind me, can you evolve into a stronger, fitter lifeform if you are dead?

The eye
"The eye is a extremely complex organ. It has the complicated system whereby light is directed to the back of the eye on to cells which are sensitive to it; it also has that even more intricate arrangement whereby the information then travels to the visual part of the brain so that we actually see someting.
...
All the specialized and complex cells that make up our eyes are supposed to have evolved because of advantageous mutations in some more simple cells that were before. But what use is a hole in the front of the eye to allow light to pass through, if there are no cells at the back of the eye to recieve light?
what use is a lens forming an image if there is no nervous system to interpret that image?
How could a visual nervous system have evolved before there was an eye to give it infomation?"
- taken from Bone of contention; Is evolution true? (by Sylvia Baker)
(my emphasis)
Im sorry toastedoranges, but you havent even got a missing link to stand on.

the theory of evolution requires FAR MORE FAITH than any religion.
THAT is JUST how unlikely it is.

yes feisty wench...that's what happens when the given knowledge becomes realized rationalized understood and finally comprehended and one open their mind to accept the enlightnement and not close their mind to the irrationality of faith

Applause, funches. I will even curtsy for that masterful spin of another's comments to suit your purpose: and yes, I'll even agree you do have a valid point.

Untamed, without the evolution (growth) of thought that naturally and normally occurs from childhood to adult life, you would not have the thought processes you have to even participate in a forum. Then again, I am a heathen, so what could I possibly know?

Whoops, sorry for my participation in thread jacking.

or it may have been that God was created during the creation of the heavens and earth ...and the point is that anyone can give you their own version of a thought and that is why proof is needed to prove it exist beyond a thought...and that's why it's called faith ...it's like believing in a rumor with the hopes that the rumor is true

sounds like faith


that's why you try to actually find out and not dabble in belief


that you feel that you are not smart enough only proves you are not smart enough to speak on the comprehension powers of others


tell that to those that was in the inquisition or caught up in someone's else holy war ...a belief system is only a personal matter if you keep that belief to yourself and once you try and turn that belief into action is when it becomes everyone's matter

As much as I would like that.....I don't see it in the realm of possibilities.

"to believe is to doubt" ...funches 3:16

man, you're quite rabid.

have you not learned of darwin and the finch? how the bird could change from generation to generation depending on the seeds that were deposited?

"mutations" occur because they're needed. because without them the species would die out.

it really doesn't take faith to see what is clearly in front of your eyes.

here ya go

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/01/1/l_011_01.html

you gotta have faith