evolution is a theory based on scientific method.
religion is a belief system , based on belief, and at LEAST some cases...ignorance.

schools are for learning facts, learning about the world around us, and learning rational thought.
religion isn't.

learning about religion(s) in schools is reasonable.
being proselytized to in schools isn't.


one thing i'll never understand...if deities are so omnipotent, why can't they just make themselves known to us and be done with it?
why do they require such vaguery. why do they require minions to try to foist their beliefs on others?

Vietnam was not a war, it was a conflict.
This is where the power elite attempted to manipulate societal acceptance.
Ask anyone that survived Vietnam and they will tell you - It was a war.

I remember Kent State being discussed in school and in church.
There were two different attitudes concerning why it happened and what it means to society.
Kent state was within driving distance. (at that time, driving distance was significant)
Not only was it on National NEWS it was in Local NEWS.
I know this has nothing to do with evolution/creationism but there was the same mindset and acceptance between school and church.
We realized fairly easily that both views could be accurate and both had points of validity.
One based on facts and one based on beliefs.

In today's world that acceptance of validity on anything is an either/or condition.
You are expected to accept one or the other, then fight to prove yourself right.
Argue to prove your acceptance is the only thing that is right.

This is the essence of narcissism and narcissism is taught in schools and is transmitted to society. You find it rampant in churches and at the workplace. Its evident in all social classes and activities.

Narcissistic people are not open to new ideas or beliefs unless they benefit or reinforce their view.
They take offense at anyone that suggests something different, refusing consideration and acceptance.
They will argue despite reality.

societies can have valid places for both beliefs, and science/scientific methods.

they also each have their proper place of learning, and methods of teaching.

as they not the same things, they should probably not be treated in the same ways.





just a thought.

Agreed

I still believe both should be taught and let the child decide.
I for one 100% reject the falsehoods of evolution and I exercise no faith in the theory whatsoever.

Here is another reason (among many) .

What is the supposed general order of evolution?

A. Chemical Pools of Pre-biotic Soup.
B. Single- Celled Organisms.
C. Invertebrate Sea Life.
D. Vertebrate Sea Life.
E. Amphibians .
F. Reptiles.
G. Birds.
H. Mammals.
I. Man

Please note * This general order was established upon the now discarded fraudulent theory of Embryonic Recapitulation (which Darwin claimed was the best evidence for his theory of Evolution).
If the foundation of the supposed order and the best evidence of the theory has been discarded , why haven't the order and the theory both been discarded?

Please note* This general order is also based upon the outdated assumption of decreasing complexity as one moves backwards through time ( and through the Geologic Column).
Our current knowledge both of the unimaginable complexity of the cell and of the amazing complexity of the earliest invertebrates sea life discovered on Cambrian strata makes this assumption one which deserves discarding as well!

I never doubted the choice of belief was mine.
Nobody had to fight for my choice, it came naturally.
But, what is different now is that people are not supposed to choose both.
Its either/or.
The issue wasn't which was right or wrong. Both had points of acceptance as it pertained to the institution.
Evolution was taught in school and Creationism was taught in church.
There was no need to teach both in school.
There was no need to teach both in church.
The concept of having a choice of belief is taught by the parents or guardians.

Its a life lesson.
School isn't supposed to teach life lessons.
School is there to teach fundamental concepts that allow everyone to have the same common knowledge to function in society.
Parents and churches teach life lessons.
Churches teach common life lessons and parents & guardians teach specific life lessons.

so, you likewise believe that scientific methods should be taught in places of worship?

that matters of science should share equal time with matters of belief in churches, synogogues, mosques, and the like?

that matters of faith should share equal time with matters of other faiths in each setting where faith or science is taught?

...so that the children may decide?

I too went to public school and CCD class once a week at St. Mary's.. they hated us public school kids

They put us in a room and we watch 1 hour of that Catholic cartoon "Davie & Goliath"

And somehow that was enough o pass our communion test.

that's how I snuck in the back door to being a Catholic :)

No I don't believe that at all nor am I alluding to that.

Only in regards to evolution and creation.
Plus , a lot of children do not even go to church at all. So in school might be the only chance they get to learn about creation.

To share both sides is actually a great teaching and learning technique.

Note a few of the religions which are structured around evolutionary theories:

Buddhism
Taoism
Sikhism
Animism
Satanism
Unity
Mysticism

Hinduism
Occultism
Theosophy
Spiritism
Bahaism
Unitarianism
Jainism

Confucianism
Shintoism
Secular Humanism
Occultism
Liberal Judaism
Liberal Christianity
Liberal Islam

Please note* One item on the above list is of particular interest - Secular Humanism, which has been declared by the US Supreme Court to be an official religion.
This atheistic viewpoint is just as religious as any theistic view. A common misconception today is that theism is religious and atheism is not.
The truth is that many religions are atheistic: Secular Humanism, Confucianism, Animism, and many others.
The statement that there is not a God is every bit as religious as the statement that there is a God.

* If Creation is to religious for public schools , then so is Evolution, which is the basis of far more religions.

our teacher Mr. Carl cotton was a devout man of faith. He prefaced evolution by saying....Charles Darwin, the man who wrote this theory.....denounced it on his death bed. he finished his preface by saying...just thought you should have all the facts!

I think that's a lie from the chruch..a man spends his whole adult life on something he witnessed and wrote books about and then changes his mind?

i think that's called scientific method.



but, his children denied the claims made by the writer of that book that made that assertion in 'the lady hope', 1915

I understand, it just seems odd to me that I never heard him denying his work, then on his deathbed he denies, when he can't defend it? I'm can't buy that... It has the smell of religious nuts all over it...

Religion is supposed to be at home taught by your parents or get sent to religious classes. When you get older, you can decide how you feel. Religion was never mentioned in public school. We learned the basic things, like math, world/American history, science, spelling/grammar - things like that.

yes cat in all public schools. the parochial schools added the religion in

Evolution is a faith based religion and is taught in schools .

How about don't teach either in school.
Either teach both or none.

Simple solution .

sorry blake but evolution however much unconclussionally proven a theory it is does not fit the accepted description of religion so does not fall into the separation of church and state field

I was the youngest one in my family, with 4 older siblings, and the only one that never went to a parochial school. I probably would have gotten beat up. Since I was a sensitive kid, my parents put me in a public school. Good choice.

I understand what you are stating.
However, with that line of thinking it should be.

I think you and others will find the following interesting.

It may come as a surprise ,that for many to learn that nowhere in the U.S. Constitution do the words " separation of church and state " appear.

It simply is not there.

The idea of church/state separation came from a letter penned by Thomas Jefferson .

Again, contrary to the nonsensical propaganda from the revisionists , Jeffersons cause was to protect religious liberties from an intrusive government!

In no way did Jefferson or any of the other framers of the U.S Constitution seek to restrict Americans' religious activities.

That being stated , teaching creation in public school is 100% acceptable.

A state stating they have a religious creed and doctrinal statement that must be adhered to or consequences will be put forth is the reason why Jefferson penned his letter regarding the separation of church/state.

Like I stated previously, separation of church/state is no where to be found in the U.S. Constitution.

The majority of Americans do not know this fact.

Three basic components of religion -
Worship, faith, prayer

Where does evolution fall in there?

Is something being worshiped? I can see a little faith there, in our beliefs in evolution. And who is being prayed to?