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if you do a search on mass shooters on prescription meds, I came up with over 50 websites on it, here is one... https://www.naturalnews.com/039752_mass_shootings_psychiatric_drugs_antidepressants.html# Ross Pomeroy, Chief Editor of RealClearScience: "Natural News has possibly done more to popularize conspiracy-oriented and pseudoscientific beliefs than any other news outlet this century." Now, here is information from a legitimate source (via the National Center for Biotechnology Information): What is the scientific evidence for an association between psychotropic drugs and homicidal behavior? Most of the available studies are case reports that only suggest a coincidental link between violence or homicide and antidepressants or benzodiazepines, while very little is known about the association between antipsychotics and homicide. Two recent ecological studies found no support for a significant role of antidepressant use in lethal violence in the Netherlands or the U.S., although data on individual offenders were not available. Quantitative data from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) adverse event reporting system imply that some antidepressants may be associated with a disproportionately high number of violent events. On the contrary, two small studies on antidepressant use among a special subgroup of homicide-suicide offenders found no evidence to support a causal link between antidepressants and homicidal behavior.
There are three crucial conditions that must be fulfilled to properly study the putative association between exposure (i.e., use of a psychotropic drug) and outcome (homicide): a) the sample must be unselected, to be representative of the total offender population; b) the reason for prescribing the medication must be considered and controlled, and c) the effect of other concomitant medication(s) must be adjusted. No such studies have been done thus far on the association between the risk of committing homicide and the use of psychotropic drugs. Quote Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4471985/ |
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i found 10 pages of sites on shooters who use assault rifles also 1 or 2 sites of shooters who were fed mothers milk as a child http://duckduckgo.com/?q=mass+shooters+on+psychotropic+drugs&t=fpas&ia=web |
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i think if someone is standing in your way w/ a gun it's gonna be much more of a deterrent than someone telling you don't do that cause it's against the law. If your reasoning worked than banks would not get robbed. ... I don't think students would be uncomfortable w/ an authority figure having a gun for their protection.
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i think if someone is standing in your way w/ a gun it's gonna be much more of a deterant than someone telling you don't do that cause it's against the law. If your reasoning worked than banks would not get robbed. ... I don't think students would be uncomfortable w/ an athorrity figure having a gun for their protection.
IF by 'worked' people are still stuck on something being stopped COMPLETELY. We may never find something that 'works' As you mentioned armed guards at banks have not caused robberies to stop either. But that is the REACTIVE after it is happening concern, we can still address an PROACTIVE before it reaches that point concern simultaneously. |
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argo i can't say for other states but nh already requires that of private sale.
as for addons that feign auto fire vs semi auto while it could work i am skeptical at best, based on the previous round of now expired restrictions on high capacity magazines and assault type weapons lack of noticeable effect. so i'll give you a maybe. having been on the range tho and knowing first that hand the rate of fire of simple semi auto firearms is still prodigious and actually more accurate than full auto fire. in the type of instance trying to be deterred it would not truly have changed the outcome even a smaller magazine capacity and the need for more reloading wouldn't have. one graphic example would be the new york subway incidence. that loon used a semi auto and had nothing larger than 10 round clips. so i while can agree to finding common ground, i don't think this one is it. it might be a first step tho |
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Sensible gun laws are coming whether you like it or not the latest incident in Florida is the last straw.. say goodbye to the sale of assault rifles, bump stocks, high capacity magazines, loopholes and short waiting periods.. i say good, it's about time.........what say you ??? all comments pro-con are welcome and appreciated... And after all these "sensible" gun controls laws and the next mass shooting occurs...then what?? The only thing to stop a criminal or a psycho with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Time to arm teachers with training and guns and get rid of the "gun free" zones which are the targets of most of these killers. this argument does not have much evidence backing it up, for one, there is not much data showing that gun toting citizens have STOPPED a mass shooter. and for two, there is also far less correlation to show shooters pick an area due to carry laws, or that they even KNOW the carry laws, but there is a reason to believe they KNOW how much damage the weapon can do when they purchase it. And yes, a trained gun owner may eventually stop a shooter, and decrease the number they can kill, or they can, in the confusion, be mistaken as the shooter and shot themself ... but I think its more sensible to take precautions to prevent it even GETTING to that point as often ... First, of course there is not much evidence that a gun owner has stopped a mass shooting(there is a ton evidence they have stopped robberies and home invasions) because in the last 50 years the only mass shooting NOT in a gun free zone was the recent Vegas shooting. However in a recent church shooting, the perp was chased and taken down by a man with a gun, an AR-15 by the way. Second, if you read the diaries and statements of the mass killers over the last fifty years they do specify choosing soft targets like schools, churches and night clubs. Even the Fort Hood shooter knew that although he was surrounded by military personnel, they could not carry in the area he was in.These killers my be psychotic but are not stupid. Lastly, in 2016 there were 14,000 murders. Less then half of those were by guns. Only 375 were by rifles and a fraction of the 375 were by the AR-15. Most murders were by knife and blunt trauma. France which is a fraction of the size and population of the U.S. and has assault weapons ban and the strictest gun laws in the world had more murders by assault rifles then the U.S. in 2016 because the citizens are helpless and the bad guys know it! Liberals who fantasize about a gun free society need to wake up. Criminals don't care about rape laws, robbery laws or gun laws or any laws period. I'm all for TRYING to limit the mentally ill from owning guns but there will always be those who beat the system or fall through the cracks. Time to face reality and harden the soft targets. |
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I actually agree with checks etc because I have nothing to hide. Seems people forget that the bad guys don't care. Either they get it legally, slip through the cracks, steal it or buy it illegally. With illegal guns out there, bad guys can get it on the black market. Gun laws really don't stop bad guys. I agree that good gun owners can do laws. But when it comes down to it, I would rather stop or have someone stop a bad guy
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How are they get evidence that a person with a gun stopped a mass killing if by stopping them makes it not happen?
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How are they get evidence that a person with a gun stopped a mass killing if by stopping them makes it not happen? I posted a link to a story here where the gunman had 2 guns and knives and a registered carry and conceal took him out. No reason for that gunman to be heavily armed (illegally btw) if he wasn't going to do more damage |
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How are they get evidence that a person with a gun stopped a mass killing if by stopping them makes it not happen? I posted a link to a story here where the gunman had 2 guns and knives and a registered carry and conceal took him out. No reason for that gunman to be heavily armed (illegally btw) if he wasn't going to do more damage |
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How are they get evidence that a person with a gun stopped a mass killing if by stopping them makes it not happen? I posted a link to a story here where the gunman had 2 guns and knives and a registered carry and conceal took him out. No reason for that gunman to be heavily armed (illegally btw) if he wasn't going to do more damage Lol this was a link from Texas station that said he was a hero |
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How are they get evidence that a person with a gun stopped a mass killing if by stopping them makes it not happen? I posted a link to a story here where the gunman had 2 guns and knives and a registered carry and conceal took him out. No reason for that gunman to be heavily armed (illegally btw) if he wasn't going to do more damage Lol this was a link from Texas station that said he was a hero |
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How are they get evidence that a person with a gun stopped a mass killing if by stopping them makes it not happen? I posted a link to a story here where the gunman had 2 guns and knives and a registered carry and conceal took him out. No reason for that gunman to be heavily armed (illegally btw) if he wasn't going to do more damage Lol this was a link from Texas station that said he was a hero  well I don't care. This is down the street from me and I have been ther many times. I 1 up most
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NRA wants sales, and bad men get guns! Laws need to be stricter.
Unless Congress acts, NRA will continue sales, and criminals will still get guns. |
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How are they get evidence that a person with a gun stopped a mass killing if by stopping them makes it not happen? it is probably evidenced by the type and amount of weapons/ammunitions found on the shooter ... |
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when you attend the funerals of these murdered children
i'm sure grieving survivors will be comforted hearing words like this... "there there children, everything will be alright, we responsible adults are working diligently to stop these things from happening to you...We are planning to have all your teachers armed with guns to protect you from the bad guys" These young adults want something done about the gun culture they have been brought into, they want real change and they are not going quit until the adults present viable common sense solutions to gun control.. arming their teachers with MORE guns, turning their classrooms into 30x30 battlefields, is NOT acceptable, they demand more.. it amazes me that proponents of arming teachers, seem to think that the "armed Goodguy" always wins the gunfight against the "BadGuy" ...that is bunk, at the least, it's a 50-50 chance the bad guy shoots the teacher FIRST then kills the kids.. and says nothing to the idea that the bad guy might be wearing a Bproof vest which give him a significant advantage in any gun battle with a teacher most likely armed with a pistol arming the teacher ? .....imo, terrible idea |
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Sensible gun laws are coming whether you like it or not the latest incident in Florida is the last straw.. say goodbye to the sale of assault rifles, bump stocks, high capacity magazines, loopholes and short waiting periods.. i say good, it's about time.........what say you ??? all comments pro-con are welcome and appreciated... And after all these "sensible" gun controls laws and the next mass shooting occurs...then what?? The only thing to stop a criminal or a psycho with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Time to arm teachers with training and guns and get rid of the "gun free" zones which are the targets of most of these killers. this argument does not have much evidence backing it up, for one, there is not much data showing that gun toting citizens have STOPPED a mass shooter. and for two, there is also far less correlation to show shooters pick an area due to carry laws, or that they even KNOW the carry laws, but there is a reason to believe they KNOW how much damage the weapon can do when they purchase it. And yes, a trained gun owner may eventually stop a shooter, and decrease the number they can kill, or they can, in the confusion, be mistaken as the shooter and shot themself ... but I think its more sensible to take precautions to prevent it even GETTING to that point as often ... First, of course there is not much evidence that a gun owner has stopped a mass shooting(there is a ton evidence they have stopped robberies and home invasions) because in the last 50 years the only mass shooting NOT in a gun free zone was the recent Vegas shooting. However in a recent church shooting, the perp was chased and taken down by a man with a gun, an AR-15 by the way. Second, if you read the diaries and statements of the mass killers over the last fifty years they do specify choosing soft targets like schools, churches and night clubs. Even the Fort Hood shooter knew that although he was surrounded by military personnel, they could not carry in the area he was in.These killers my be psychotic but are not stupid. Lastly, in 2016 there were 14,000 murders. Less then half of those were by guns. Only 375 were by rifles and a fraction of the 375 were by the AR-15. Most murders were by knife and blunt trauma. France which is a fraction of the size and population of the U.S. and has assault weapons ban and the strictest gun laws in the world had more murders by assault rifles then the U.S. in 2016 because the citizens are helpless and the bad guys know it! Liberals who fantasize about a gun free society need to wake up. Criminals don't care about rape laws, robbery laws or gun laws or any laws period. I'm all for TRYING to limit the mentally ill from owning guns but there will always be those who beat the system or fall through the cracks. Time to face reality and harden the soft targets. I agree, people that believe or argue that laws are gonna 'stop' anything completely need to re think, as do those that argue laws as useless unless they 'stop' something completely. I will not explain what 'correlation' means, but I will say it doesnt mean there are 'no examples' the issue of mass shootings is specific to occasions where a weapon takes MULTIPLE LIVES in a continuous span of action the issue of gun violence in general is much broader, and the issue of murder is even broader than that, and not what I have been debating about, personally. in debating the issue of mass shootings, which is the topic I am discussing, sometimes there may be those shooters who research 'gun free' laws, but more often shooters are unstable people who feel wronged and pick the TARGETS not the laws where the target is located, that includes colleagues at their workplace, scorned lovers at parties or family events or workplaces, etc ... it is about WHO they want to hurt more often than WHERE it happens. |
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I like where you are headed, now we only have to outlaw sticks, stones and people calling you names. Oh... and pressure cookers, cars, knives, airplanes and really hot water. While we are making more laws, lets make laws against dogs that might bite, mosquitos that do bite and my ex that is just plain nuts.
Or... Maybe we should keep our eyes open and report those misfits that are doing all the harm to others before they go out and do something crazy. Just my opinion of course. |
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argo i can't say for other states but nh already requires that of private sale. eric, if you say that you agree with your states law on private sales, then indeed we have found common ground.. i believe all the states should follow the example set by the State of New Hampshire... the other stuff i removed from your post, to me is still debatable...so on the point of private sale i agree and see no good reason for delay in all states adopting this policy as soon as possible...by (state referendum votes or Fed law) |
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How are they get evidence that a person with a gun stopped a mass killing if by stopping them makes it not happen? it is probably evidenced by the type and amount of weapons/ammunitions found on the shooter ... |
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