One of the biggest reasons for our increased shootings (very minimal )
Is related to drugs.

This makes me think of another aspect that is often over-looked.

As far as I know, Movies, TV shows, Music, Games and all the Media overexposure happens pretty much the same in all the free world countries.
We never seem to hear about kids shooting up their schools or patrons shooting up their nightclubs or employees shooting up their workplaces.
Except in this country.

Is this because there are no guns to be found or because in those countries the families teach their children different values?

When I was growing up, I never once thought to shoot up my school, ever.
My heroes were real Vietnam soldiers fighting and killing with guns.
My fantasies concerning guns were of me being a soldier fighting the enemy. Sometimes it was me being a cop fighting bad guys like Dirty Harry did.

We had street fights, especially after high school games where kids from one town would fight with kids of another town but people were not getting shot or killed. West Side Story and The Warriors were gangs that none of us identified with and never tried to. As a matter of fact, gang violence was something that was extreme and unwanted due to the morals and values we were taught. I grew up to respect others, not just my elders, everyone.

I think this may be the root of the problem.

your street cops ( bobbies) dont but the Armed response team does, they are in two man patrols with Heckler and Koch MP5 rifles in certain London neighborhoods.

Yes, more in the hot spots plus airports, the other armed units are in cars, usually not more than 5 minutes from any given area.
On a whole I'd say it works well.
Thing is that the first thing you know there's a problem is when someone gets shot!
There are many more armed units than is said but that's always been our way.

Don't you also have an extensive "Big Brother" network?
I think that contributes to effectiveness of your stance on armed police.

Your right tom, not sure of the figures but I'm pretty sure we are the most survailed country in the world, or at least Europe.
But yes it's a good thing, if you're not guilty then you've nothing to hide.
But , as I've said with the gun thing, yes you can stop some crimes with surveillance, all your doing is recording the event. although you can catch them later.

Thing about surveillance is it allows for a preemptive action if it is being correctly monitored. Radio is faster than foot. There are tale-tells that can reveal a shooter, person that isn't supposed to be there, overcoats in warm weather, things like that. Problem is, the monitors need to be paying attention, not on their phones playing a game or watching a video because they are bored.

I think while there is a link to drugs. They are just a convenient scapegoat for a lot of things, they say 80% of crime is aquisitive, I.e. people robbing for a fix, and that locking people up costs money. Baloney, u can get yr fix in Holland if your registered, the drugs themselves cost about £1 a day, pharmaceutical grade, then you can work and you don't have to rob. There but by the grace of God go I.what would happen to all the police, solicitors, judges and so on then. And weve all seen cool hand Luke where the warden takes bribes so contracters can compete with his chain gang. Slavery is alive and well, working for 30p an hour, thats far below minimum wage, if you do the math even after expenses are taken out, someone's making a hefty profit, and a bogeyman, scapegoat and downcast in 1 foul swoop. Machiavelli would be proud, I am not

Definitely, but there has been those against it, civil rights and all that rubbish. But it works on the most part.

I disagree entirely of your views, if your not guilty then you've nothing to hide, I'm ashamed of this country, jimmy saville and all, I'm from Leeds I knew where he lived I've seen him a few times, the only time you would see the managers at the hospital is when they were guarding the morgue door, while he was in there, he'd been at it since the 50's the beast of Yorkshire and the beast of Lancashire, fat Cyril, keeping score in the backroom of a Manchester record shop .who did all that help then, the guilty or the innocent.

It says on the back of police cars here. Protecting communities, they should insert the words' nonces from 'in between.

See that's what I don't get about peoples aversion to public cameras.
When anyone goes out in public they are subject to monitoring by other people. Kids in public schools (uni) are monitored by teachers, staff and even the janitors and other kids. Its not a privacy issue because being in public is the opposite of being in private.
I see no difference between someone watching me from afar and someone monitoring a camera. Where the difference is important is that someone watching me from afar may not be concentrating solely on me where the camera monitor can back up the file and take another look. To gain information they might have missed in real time. Information that could prevent a kid or a crazy from pulling out that machine gun and killing a bunch of people. Information they can check for validity like a fired employee or a graduated or expelled student in the building when they shouldn't be.
People seem to think that what they do in public is somehow supposed to be private. That's insanity.

Well, that's your right to disagree.
You forgot to mention the Catholic priests and social workers, plus the parents that committed those same crimes.
I'm not talking about being found guilty!
I'm talking about genuine people.

This is the problem.
If the guy who's been walking behind you is suddenly pounced on by the police because of a guy watching cctv has seen him pulling a gun out you'd be thankful!
So those who opposed it would feel what?

No mate its not my right is it,we have funny ways of dealing with people who speak about these things, and what good was your surveillance then, and if we did have the right to disagree, he would have been swinging a long time ago

Problem reaction solution great trick, using fear

why are some Brits opposed to camera monitoring?

Well most of it happened way before cctv was around.
And I was referring to its your right to disagree with what I say.
After all, that's what millions of people died for!
In many countries you would definitely not be having this discussion!

Because if the government can't govern themselves and the police can't police themselves what use are they really

Could be worse, we could have a communist labour government!
Do as I say not as I do