Exactly!

In fact, to even suggest that modern evolution is Darwin’s original ‘theory’ is to do nothing more than show extreme ignorance of the advances in modern science.



Yet another gospel truth!

I humbly bow to your infinite wisdom Dianna.

OH Abra, not wisdom, just questions, perhaps someday, they will form a theory !!!

i still say we are some alien beings antfarm.just a theory

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

You'll wake up the anti-antfarmists.

Redy:

Remember also if you would of read the first thread that yes these are my beliefs but if any of you have evidence to the contrary then im all ears.

redy wrote:
Of course that quote was referring to ‘science’ books, though I suppose ANY book could be subject to some error, occasionally.

Answer: yes

redy wrote:

Poison, in this case, refers to possible errors, perhaps burning ALL books, might be the answer.

answer: I would have to say no to this one......some books are very valid and are wonderful.....only the ones filled with poison as I stated before....and if your underlying that the Bible should be included in this....thats your choice...as for me I say no.....and if you would of read the first thread you would know my answer why.

redy wrote:

this is exactly the reason some people are so totally against small children being exposed to religion. They have not yet developed, and sadly, may never develop the ability of critical thinking and analysis.

answer: Well honestly my youngest would disagree and I have never let it be anything but their choice. And I do agree that when kids are not given that choice they usually end up on the wrong side....

Redy wrote:
Yes, most Atheists understand this concept, most have been the receivers of such poisoning. Fortunately, their ability to adapt to more critical analysis and thought processes, saved them from a life separated from knowledge and they were able to see the 'error' of a religiously imposed youthful poisoning.

Answer: You believe that.....your choice....

"The most instructive way I know to express this cosmic chronology is to imagine the fifteen-billion year lifetime of the universe…compressed into the span of a single year. …It is disconcerting to find that in such a cosmic year the Earth doesnot condense out of insterstellar matter until early September: dinosaurs emerge on Christmas Eve; flowers arise on December 28th;and men and women originate at 10:30 PM on New Year’s Eve. All of recorded history occupies the last ten seconds of December 31; and the time from the waning of the Middle Ages to the present occupies little more than one second."


Answer: First of all how obsurd is that.....to imagine first......imagine being the opeartive word....fifteen billion years compressed into a single year....that cannot even make sense to you two.....Please look at my order in part 3....makes much more sense.


Now; armed with this new understanding of the passage of time, we can all clearly see that ‘RECORDED’ history has barely had time to learn it’s ABC’s. So it’s obvious that the kind of evolutionary changes, attributed to the theory and science, of evolution have not occurred within ‘Recorded’ history. Well it’s obvious to those, at least, who do not allow their minds to be poisoned by that 2% of bad stuff in the literature they choose to read.

And remember also that if the time that we know man has been here....and still they cannot see, feel, or touch anything that has had substantial evolution....then there is your answer it can't. And still I say a dog has always been a dog....nothing else ever....just as we have always been human....not a speck of dust, that fell into the water and became a tadpole that then climbed out and turned into an ape that eventually became me.....no sense what so ever. But excellent try

And it doesn’t STOP with this accusation. This is TYPICAL of all of your accusations against scientific discoveries! You’re logical reasoning is totally FLAWED, uninformed, and simply incorrect.

Your talking NONSENSE Feral. And then trying to claim like as if it has merit when it doesn’t.

Why must you talk about something you know nothing about?

Why does science threaten your God?

Answer: Are you for real......you are the one that doesn't get it abra. As you already know my thought on science...I love science....I dont like some of the poison that has creeped into science....Darwin for example is someone that totally did not have a clue.

Science does not nor will not ever threaten my God....Because of my God you have science.


If your God created this universe then shouldn’t the things that are claimed about your God in the doctrine of your religion match up with the real universe?

answer: And you show me where it doesn't?????? Because you all talk a might game...but I have yet to see proof of what you speak.

Doesn't apologetics 101, with its unmastered 'fallacious circular logic' make for the most boriong of converstions.

It truly throws me back to my era in the sandbox:

'... My daddy is stronger than your daddy.
And your daddy is not stronger than my daddy.
Because if your daddy was stronger than my daddy, my daddy wouldn't be strOnger than my daddy.
And since my daddy is stronger than your daddy than yours can't be, SO THERE!!!...'

In don't know how old you are 'feral', and I am not asking. But I'm sure you pushing a few years beyond 'sandbox' mentality.

Are you not growing tired of these mental circular loops?!?!?

There is life beyond those mental loops 'feral', I promise!!!

I am here in a public forum, posting publicly.

My point about evolution as it applies to this thread is that the topic starter typically seems to like to argue on and on about the same old pumpkin beat with the same old baseball bat, in order to attract attention to herself, and distract people from truly following Christ.

I guess you didn't get the plain English version and whimsical way I was poking fun at pages and pages of the same idiotic thing.

And you seem to be able to point out that I have the ability to post my mind, instead of the status quo expected crap most people post... here and in other threads...

And I have noticed, Eljay... you tend to try to be a form of the "JustSayHi Bulletin Board Police" in pointing out when people have the ability to be creative.

You are not the bulletin board police, sorry.

Not in this thread, or the two or three others in which you have posted the same legalistic control-issue born silly megalomaniac facist stuff... such as insisting I post about evolution... which I already have, in that I have posted that the initial poster was incorrect in her attempts at evangelism by posting here...

Which...

evidently you didn't "get" what I stated...

Which in fact, was truth, and inspired... but maybe you are one of these aruguers of religion, like a Pharisee who hung Christ on the cross... and not truly compassionate about anybody... (??)

It can't. Which is why it begs the question - what legitimises the acceptance of all of these religions today? Why is it that any Tom **** or Harry can say "Well, this is what I think", and in the interest of tolerance it now be accepted as a legitimate representation of the "evolution of truth". Then - once "substanciated" it now becomes a definitive and acceptable premise for truth NOT being infallible because we have all of these "acceptable" idea's of it.

It seems to me the OP was adressing the claims of Evolution in a manner of disbelief of their claims. I merely did not see you addressing the post - but the poster - and wondered why you couldn't have done that through an email.



And you'd do well to stick to the topic of the post and not judge the poster.



I was not attempting to "police" your post. I just was curious as to why you thought your post had any relevance to the OP, 'cause I sure didn't see anything relevant to what you posted. And don't I have the right to point out the idiocy of your post as you do to Ferals? eH?

And what gives you the impression Feral was "evangelising"? How is a post about evolution - evangelizing?



Oh, I got what you stated. I've witnessed the self-rightious cultish actions much like yours numerous times through my past.



I have no interest in religion. But I have read the bible. It was the Romans who hung Jesus on the cross by the way. If you are going to make accusations - at least get your facts right.

This is the kind of senseless crap I’m talking about.

The overwhelming majority of scientists WORLD WIDE are in complete indisputable agreement that the earth is 4.5 billion years old. This measurement has been made at using many different independent techniques in many differnet fields of science from geology, to physics, to astrophysics. Even the fossil records are in agreement with the idea that the world must be at least millions of years old.

So Feral is claiming that the world is not 4.5 billion years hold and she’s asking for proof???

The scientific community will gladly make all of their measurements, techniques, and evidence available to Feral if she would simply like to view it. That physical evidence can hardly be presented in an Internet post. All that can be done here is to state that the evidence does indeed exist.

But more to my point. Where does Feral get off claiming that the earth isn’t 4.5 billion years old. Where’s HER evidence????

This is the kind of air-head arguing she does. She makes a completely unsupported nonsensical claim off the top of her head for absolutely no reason whatsoever other that the fact that she is desperate to believe it to support her religious agenda, and then she starts screaming at everyone else, “Where YOUR poof?”

What an air-head! Where’s YOUR proof Feral?

You haven’t offered anything but extremely biased uneducated nonsense that is clearly attached to your biased religious agenda. An extreme fundamentalist agenda that would even be opposed by most sane theologians!!!

Where’s YOUR proof Feral to back up any of the unwarranted claims and accusations that you are making against the entire scientific community.

You always talk about people being arrogant Feral. But how arrogant is it to denounce the hard work and achievements of centuries of human thought and brilliance to claim that YOU have all the answers???

As far as I’m concerned Feral you are displaying the epitome of arrogance. You denounce the intellectual effort of all of humanity in favor of an idea that you would like to believe on a whim.

And for WHAT purpose???

If this is your idea of attracting people to Christianity you’ve seriously lost your coconuts!

These kinds of extremist statements that you make on these forums aren’t going to do much but turn people away from the religion by showing them how unreasonable a person would need to be to believe in it. You are suggesting that they would have to denounce human observations and intellect!

You’re basically telling people that they need to become air-heads to become Christians!

I don’t believe that the vast majority of Christians would agree with you.

Most Christians I know accept evolution and simply view the biblical version of creation to be allegorical. The Bible says that God created man from the dust of the earth, but it doesn’t say HOW God actually did that. If God wanted to use evolution to do this who are YOU to tell God that he can’t do it that way???

Not only do believe that you know more than all of humanity, but you even think you know more than God!

What have you been smoking lately???

ok abra lets do a little experiement. The following is from part 3....But I will use this as one lil piece of the puzzle to proove that yes even the almighty scientist is just human...and yes make miskakes.

At the birth of Christ there was an estimated population of 250 million. If we were to create a chart it looks as f the world’s population began 4400 years ago with the 8 survivors of the Great Flood. If you believe in evolution you have a problem believing men has been here 3 million years. If we went from a ¼ billion to 6 billion since Jesus was born what would we have for a population today of 681 X 4400 years in 3 million years, the population would have grown to 150,000 people per sq. inch, new that would be overcrowded.

Do you even phanthom if sientist were even correct about when the human came to be....do you get how many people that would mean would be living on the earth. Now as we know we just don't have as many people as scientifically we should. But then if you calculate from the time of the great flood it adds up go figure. So then we have to say to ourselves who is right on just this one aspect of creation vs evolution. So then abra if you calculate it on just this one peice of evidence.....it makes more send that the earth is about 6000 years old not 4.5 or is it 4 some books say one and some say the other.

My point is still... that I have reviewed this OP's post here, and now is being drug out various repeated times throughout the JSH system... the same topic, in an attempt to proselytize her religion, which is for selfish "feels good" gain...

That's the main reason she has continually stirred up argument after argument here on JSH, and this matter needs to be in the open, and a matter of accountability.

That's my opinion.



I am on topic, the topic as I see it, is yet another way to stir up arguments and religious aggression in the guise of proselytizing what she deems is correct pertaining to her religion. By doing so, she receives a selfish "feels good" "In the name of Jesus"... which I am saying is an incorrect way to publish facts about the Gospel message. This pure message shouldn't be bastardized with argument. It should be handed out in compassion, and instructed in love. And if the person receiving the message does not want to hear the message, the person giving the message wipes the dust off their sandals and walks away, NOT continue an argument campaign for vain selfish gain.




In some folks who receive bad teaching, they interpret sneaky and wily forms of posting the Gospel as a way to "get the message out." It is a form of the religion that does not take into account that there will be folks who just plain decided NOT to believe or agree with what the religion says is true. This is evangelizing. But it is an incorrect form. It creates murmurings, strife and arguments. None of which align with the intent of the scripture writers. Therefore, any argument she posts, again and again and again, digs yet a deeper trench into the problem of actually being against the teachings in the very scripture she wishes everyone to hear about.




Eljay, you really got me there... I have heard of this huge and expanding "TelephoneMan Cult" and I am so glad you finally put your finger on it. Why, just yesterday I heard 6,000 people in some remote village in Mississippi drank Kool-Aid laced with poison because of what TelephoneMan said in his post on JustSayHi. That dang TelephoneMan Cult... LOL.





I can tell you have no interest in religion, except to come here and argue. If you read the Bible, then you would know that Pontius Pilate found no guilt in Christ and suggested he be scorged and set free. yet, those evil "church" (synagogue) members of his day cried out in one accord "Crucify Him!! Crucify Him!!" And, thus my statement that the Pharisees, who led the yelling rabble demanding he be crucified, were those that were responsible for Pilate's decision to have the Roman guards pound spikes through an innocent man's hands and feet.

I have my facts exactly straight.

I am not making an accusation, I am trying to get this woman to realize the mistake she is making as she continually encourages arguments over and over again on this web page, openly, in front of every different person. Which is, in fact, a direct contradiction to what is written in the source book of the religion she follows.

Thus, this is posted in the "religion chat" section, and not the General forum.

Evolution is not a religion. Yet it is posted here, a topic about evolution, by the OP's doing, in order to stir up arguments and distention in the members concerning a religious topic, namely her desire to proselytize the members of this web site.

Having found ZERO converts, she still rabbles on and on about the same dead topic, as I said, much like beating a pumpkin with a baseball bat over and over again until it completely turns to pulp.

A scientific topic should be addressed in the General forum, not in the "Religion Chat" section, unless the OP's intention is to simply stir up strife and contention about the controversial topic of Creation (a Biblical "religious" principle") versus the topic of the Theory of Evolution, a scientific study of archaeological findings mixed with a scientific hypothesis.

The only way for the OP to post about evolution in the "Religion Chat" section is to begin by stirring up an argument. Otherwise, any mention of science, or purely mentioning science would be mis-posted here, and should be posted in the "General Chat" section.

Its obvious it wasn't intended for the General section, thus it is also obvious it was also posted here for nothing more than the mere case of stirring up distention, argument and clamor. All of which are items that bring attention to the OP, and scratch her selfish niche to want to proselytize her religion.

Her motives, I understand... but her method goes against the very scriptures that she seemingly wants people to notice her representing.

It was the Pharisees, in the Bible, who "made wide their phylacteries" (dressing garments) so that everyone would notice that they were the religious crowd of their day. They also stood on the street corner and prayed openly to gain attention to themselves.

The OP is merely a Pharisee of today, using this forum as her "broad phylacteries" in order to remain pumped up, full of herself and her traditions, and indeed having no compassion for the people here, much like the Pharisees lacked any compassion.

And I am saying this is what nailed Christ to the cross.

The "religious" traditionalists of his day who failed to have any true connection with God, or his Word, or the true fashion and relationship of dealing his Word to the public.

What I am saying is that this post, and ANY argumentative post about religion concerning Christianity, goes against the true message of the Gospel, thus anyone who is not FOR the proper way to portray oneself in public as a Christian, must therefore be AGAINST the proper way, therefore, those against the proper way are actually, though fair in intent, but in need of rebuke and correction as they are acting as babes in the faith, not as mature ones who have studied well in the scriptures and understand these principles.

If you think my mention of these truths equals the Jim Jones cult or any cult (who control their people to the point of drinking Kool-Aid), you have every right to believe what you want to believe... but this is not "cultish" talk if you have read a little more into the Bible you attempt to tell me you have "read." You have to read more than the cover and table of contents in order to be actively involved with adjusting someone else's post concerning the actual contents.

But I am satisfied that I am speaking the truth about these matters, with a certain inspiration that is being ignored by a person (the OP) who is determined to satisfy her inner need of pride and selfishness in posting these types of threads.

I have posted what I have felt necessary in trying to convince her of her wrong, but she is un-repentant. Thus, its about time to dust off my sandals and leave this post to the arguers.

These are the kind of statement I’m talking about Feral.

You say that we don’t have as many people as “scientifically we should”.

Show me where science makes this claim.

It doesn’t.

On the contrary, it is well known, and perfectly understood, that population growth is not a linear function.

In fact, if we continue to multiply at our current rate will overpopulate the earth in the very near future. By that I mean there would be so many people that it wouldn’t even be physical possible to squish them all together on the land masses of the earth. Something’s got to give!

Another thing that you seem to be over-looking is that modern man lives a lot longer than ancient man lived. Because of medicine and the control of major infectious disease many people are alive today who wouldn’t have survived in the dark ages. I’m certainly one of them. I had appendicitis when I was in my teens. Had it not been for modern medicine I would have died as a teenager.

This is probably true for many people. People used to die of infections and food poisoning.

Also, today we even help people have babies who couldn’t normally have babies. Ancient man has no way of dealing with these things.

There’s no conflict between evolution and the population of the world.

You’re just grabbing at straws without really thinking about anything.

Do you honestly believe that scientists didn’t think about all of these things?

What you seem to be neglecting is that scientists are not in cahoots to pull the wool over the masses. On the contrary they question EVERYTHING!

No scientist would love anything more than to be able to show evidence to discount any theory of science.

If there were anything substantial to your idea about the population numbers being wrong that would certainly be included in scientific investigations. Obviously they don’t see this as being a problem. The current world’s population doesn’t conflict with the idea of evolution in the least.

If you want to convert the world to Christianity, instead of trying to convince adults that science is wrong, why not teach little children to sing, “Jesus love me this I know, for the Bible tells me so”

You’ll have a much better results trying to brainwash the children who will become the next generation rather than trying to convinced the adults of this generation that science is wrong.

I have to agree with TM here.

What Feral is doing in this thread has absolutely nothing to do with preaching the gospel of Jesus.

She’s totally on her own here.

Claiming that she’s doing this for “her Lord” is total bull crap.

This is not what Jesus has said to do.

On the contrary, like TelephoneMan said, “And if the person receiving the message does not want to hear the message, the person giving the message wipes the dust off their sandals and walks away”

That’s PRECISELY what Jesus said to do!

Feral obviously doesn’t pay much attention to the desires and instructions of “her Lord”.

She’s entirely on her own here on some kind of misguided mission that has nothing to do with Jesus or Christianity.

And TM
Thats an interesting theory but not at all true. Im just giving people another way to look at things. I have if you read the very first part of the series done this whole thing with the best intention and of course glorifying God first and foremost...and completely out of love and compassion and again someone who doesn't even know me jumps to those comclusions.
But TM you believe what you wish...its your beiefs and Im not here to change anyone just give them information.

And your correct Im not preaching the gospel of Jesus with these threads...never indicated that I was......I'm just given the good folks of jsh another way of looking at alot of things.

And this was done with my pastor for this series....so please

And if someone doesn't want to read the thread again their choice...not abra's and not tm's.....They can choose to read and take whatever conclusions they want. They don't need you two babysitting them thats for sure.

I'm enjoying all the circulars...

memos, too.....

don't always get the memos.....

anybody got one for wing of a bird?

or the genetic trigger, not the emotional one , giving credence to the code that makes the changes from ape to man? are there studies I'm unaware of that are germain in specificity?

I think you’re missing something here.

It’s not a matter of babysitting anyone.

If you post total nonsense and no voice of reason objects to it, then others may think you’re onto something because no one is questioning it.

The bottom line is that the nonsense you are spewing is so off-the-wall and untrue that it isn’t even worthy of conversation. It’s not that you’re arguing against evolution. You’re stating blatant lies about what science does and doesn’t know in other areas.

These trivial objections that you have posted are actually considered in classes on science. These kinds of questions are brought up by students and they are shot down with clear reasons why they don’t hold water.

If you think you’re bringing up things that science hasn’t considered you’re fooling yourself. Science has considered everything that you have posted and has shown why these things have no absolutely no merit.