Good Day my loyal friends of M2, Its your boy EyeAm, Let's talk about it. For some of us that's been keeping up with president Trump's executive orders, he has several of them he wants to past, the one I want to talk about today is this great wall at the Mexican border. Some say its picking on the Latina community, others say good written, its about time somebody address the illegal immigrant problem. How I see it is to me its immorality wrong! Don't get me wrong illegals has to be addressed but why target the Mexican border? If you build a wall there then you need a wall around Canada too, if its really about securing our neighboring borders. America, I do you feel about this controversial topic. I brought you the executive orders, my weekly rants, data from those who post in my cyber mansion, & conversing with each other on Trump, now lets talk about his great wall. I will post a forum in the near future about the executive orders that I didn't post, so let's baby step this and share!

EyeAmYourHost39,

"1Sit & have a cup of my hot tea with a slice of Controversy Part 9"

Okay, here we go , America I think the ideal of him wanted to deal with illegal immigration, Trump has this ideal" I want to build a wall at the Mexican border, now here's the kicker, he wants Mexico to fund it....." What a bunch of bull!, you mean to tell me you want the people who more likely be targeted to this ideal & you want the same folks in there government to pay for it....lol come, on let's be realistic about this, that's your ideal, you find the funding, and you know he have a trick up his sleeve, if Mexico doesn't us working class folks will. We always have to pay for S%^& we never ask for. I think it's a stop & frisk on a higher scale. Mexicans aren't the only immigrants that come here illegally. What are you going do wall the whole country. If you keep Latinas out then you have to do my fellow Europeans, Caribbeans, South Americans, Africans % many more!

Too many seem not to realize that Mexico has a border they built as well... Just that those from the States do not go to their country Illegally ohhh that is right cause they have Immigration Laws that we must follow.... and they very much enforce those Laws...

Why is it that so many feel they should not enforce the Laws already on the books that past Presidents actually put there and have in the past many times enforced them for a short time...

As far as Canada go ahead and try to cross their borders illegal and see if they don't deport you in a heartbeat...

I would love someone to explain to me why only the States should not protect their people with the Laws that have been put in place for decades????

Yes this is the land of the free once they have been cleared and here with good intent.... But first and foremost we need to protect our borders from those that are not coming with good intent....

Actually if the Presidents prior had enforced these laws and secured the borders this would not be made into a Trump issue. It is a problem that has been there for many years...

Out of the Mexican's I have talked to it is funny they have the same mind set why should we let those illegal come over get on the system and take away jobs from those that actually did it the legal way....

There is a Law in place due to those that hire illegally but yet is not enforced at all... Most of those that hire illegals are construction they hire them for a short time even if they give them a false SS they will hire them the most they get is a letter in the mail that the SS numbers do not belong to that person.. If they send the letter back saying they no longer work there then all is forgotten...

Our system on new hires and trying to find out if they give you false info needs to be re-worked it does not give the Employers a way to search to make sure they are given false info..

I'm not so much on the wall due to cost but we do need to buff up our boarder patrol.....

imo....

this wall is once again Trump "straining at the gnat"...he creates among the
citizens, an unrealistic fear of 11 million illegal immigrants while ignoring
the more important things....like the over 100 million legal citizens of this
country who live at or below the poverty level....

the 25 billion dollars (wherever it comes from) should be used for
something other than a useless symbolic wall...

Is the wall meant also to keep drugs from mexico off American soil?
If it is,then Americans themselves who use them need to be reoriented because there is supply only because demand exists.

EyeAm

I believe the current immigration laws should be enforced

seems like every election year mexican immigrants become this huge problem but noone shows numbers or trends to back up the hysteria


and before mexicans, it was irish, or japanese or africans


of course americans will pay for it, as much as they pay for ACA

but I dont mind having the ACA, so for me its not a matter of if americans pay for something that will be benefiting americans


what I do mind is the underlying nativism that is being enforced making it an 'us vs them' dilemma when it really isn't, or should not be


these immigration policies are just feeding on historical nativist ideals that have been used time and time again to collect political votes,,,,

suppose a wall beats what we have now...a neon sign that says
FREE LUNCH

Um being Canadian; we are not sneaking across the American border and we sure as hell would not be working for less wages than an American Citizen. That being said; border security does to a thorough check on us when we approach the border in a very legal way. Also; a Canadian would be very quickly sent back to Canada.

some people are forgetting that there are terrorists camps/lone wolf types in Mexico already... since they cannot cover the 4000 miles or so, whats to stop ali the terrorist from bringing nukes and/or any other explosive type weapons across the border?

TxGal3333,

Hey my loyal vocal avenger, what you post is right on the money, let me ask you this? Do you think that wall really going to keep illegals from getting into this country? If we think that's the answer. Okay lets just say this works then we have to look at the shorelines of Florida. The Cubans & the Haitians floating on tires in the middle of the Atlantic ocean coming here. what about the Canadian border?

Argo63,

You bring up a funny but valid point. I wonder if this resonate with the people here in America. I been in the U.S. quite some years and the wall is plain ridiculous. I mean really, imagine you guys was born in Europe like myself, can see my native land of Germany build a wall to keep France, Italy, & United Kingdom illegals out? I mean they did build a wall to divide east & west Germany, and you see that didn't work we torn down that divided wall...lol

Godsfriend10,

What's up buddy, well that's another way of looking at it.....I think that and keep black & brown folks here to a minimum.

In this world we are supposed to be trying to tear walls down... not put them up... we should be trying to embrace each other not push them away... we should be trying to make ourselves healthier but not by making others weaker... president Trump.. obviously it opposed to this philosophy... mark my words!!!..
Someone like that is only looking for trouble.. and if him and his cronies have a plan they sure aren't telling anybody about it... you and me included... that makes me worry..yup

Ms. Harmony,

Hey you, well you bring up a valid point. I'm totally for cracking down on illegal but did you know in one of Trumps executive orders its a clause in where he allow illegals to work here with out questioning there visa status....sooooooo what is this wall really supposed to protect us when its in his orders for this law to protect the illegals.?

37KO,

LMAO.......okay only if they treating.....lol

Just another Trump bashing.. right out of the starting gate..

this guy could cure cancer and still there would be those who denounce him

How sour are those grapes?

" I want to build a wall at the Mexican border, now here's the kicker, he wants Mexico to fund it....." it's not a real wall but <wall> kind of immigration policy corporation to avoid whom try to been to USA for pravite purpose but the passport unsigned also due to the illegal immigration sistituations.... trump with no cold blood....he know there're many sourthern USA citizen are the folks of mexicians.....so that's why the USA goverment need the mexico goverment to funding so.....for the better future of southern bordern civiliance life.....they were started associating bussiness for years.....you don't need to worry about it dude.....just taking easy......

Most illegals in the U.S. have come through Mexico.
That's where there are established routes.
Other than that:
- Cartels, drugs, violence, rampant corruption.
- Rape trees.
- Body's littering the desert.
- La Bestia.
- South America.
- "Coyotes."


That's like saying "You have to brick up your front door if you plan on building a 4th wall on your house."

Other than that you have to look at the difference between how Canada approaches people coming in.
Canada has a system and infrastructure closer to the U.S. in vetting people coming into the country than Mexico does.
Canadian government - "Who's coming into this country? Who are you, can you prove it? We'll check."
Mexican government - "I don't care who you are. You coming to Mexico? Are you rich? No? GTFO!...Oh, you're just passing through to sneak into the U.S.? Ok. There's a rehoming fee. Here's a how to brochure on getting into the U.S. and avoiding capture."

As soon as Canada starts having violent drug cartels, begins sending waves of drug mules over, becomes one of the kidnapping capitals of the world, feels it necessary to send out their fully armed military to patrol tourist areas, neighbors another continent full of people trying to come to this country illegally and facilitates their travel, prints up "how to" pamphlets for sneaking in and avoiding capture, allows lucrative people smuggling businesses, or Canadians begin attending violent rallies waving the Canadian flag demanding representation and change without acculturation, then I'll start demanding a wall for the Canadian border.


This is little different than saying the U.S. is funding China's military buildup.
They bought a bunch of U.S. debt. Our service on that debt (the interest we pay) at one point was about as much as they were spending on their military.
It's not like the U.S. can start "wall taxing" the Mexican people.
But the U.S. can charge tariffs, fines, and fees on other things, the increase in funds, through the magic of accounting, could equal the cost of wall expansion.


That it's only really controversial because it's Trump.
There are already walls on the border with Mexico.
Expanding the walls and security measures on the Mexican border are already part of current immigration laws, passed by previous administrations.
The government just didn't do anything before now, dragged its feet, didn't appropriate money for it.
"Building the wall" is actually "enforcing current laws."


You do understand that it's not building a wall for isolationism...right?
So much as a desire to control immigration?
So people do it the legal way?
You know, use the system and laws in place? Rather than circumvent them?
As Clinton and Obama have said; we are a nation of immigrants, but also a nation of laws.


Depends on what else they use.
Part of the laws passed for "strengthening the border" are motion sensors, cameras, drones, infra red, more border agents, seismic reading equipment or whatever to discover tunnels/tunneling, things like that.

It's not just a big solid doorless cement wall with Don Knotts at the top holding a rifle and binoculars.


Coast guard.
Not to mention Obama ended the wet feet, dry feet policy.
The ocean itself acts as a wall, so only the most desperate even try.
If Cuba contiguously bordered the U.S., do you believe there would be very many people in Cuba anymore?


The Canadian border relies on technology more than the Mexican border already.
Canada has a pretty effective vetting process for who enters their country internationally.
There aren't 1,000's of random South Americans riding on top of a train through Canada.


They tore it down because it was too effective.
If it wasn't effective...they wouldn't have had to tear it down. It just wouldn't have mattered.

it wouldn't matter who was President

illegal immigration would be a hot button topic for election years

even though the numbers of illegal entries at the border is barely 20 percent of what it was a decade ago

people will still ring the 'the sky is falling' alarm on the issue to gain political support

lower border apprehensions have alarmists assuming less is being done to apprehend instead of assuming that there are fewer to apprehend,,,,