Topic: God is NOT a loving god. - part 2
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Thu 12/01/16 02:11 PM

I just have to add that I find it amazing that, in order to defend God, you are forced to focus on the difference between the words "murder" and "kill." Particularly since the original writings were in Hebrew to start with!


Not "defending" anything... only enlightening to those that don't know or don't see or don't put into perspective :D

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Fri 12/02/16 12:36 AM


I just have to add that I find it amazing that, in order to defend God, you are forced to focus on the difference between the words "murder" and "kill." Particularly since the original writings were in Hebrew to start with!


Not "defending" anything... only enlightening to those that don't know or don't see or don't put into perspective :D


Heh, heh. If you say so, Sir.

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Fri 12/02/16 01:06 AM
Edited by DavidM616 on Fri 12/02/16 01:09 AM

I told you that there was no point trying to hit me with that "old covenant vs. new covenant" line here, as the "thou shalt not kill" quote came from the OT, and it was God telling them that, then telling them soon thereafter to begin wholesale slaughter. Therefore, whether it was Old Covenant or New Covenant is again irrelevant to the point at hand, i.e. God is here depicted as a capricious tyrant who tells his minions not to murder/slay/kill/cause people to cease breathing, etc., then soon thereafter commands the same minions to murder/slay/kill/cause people to cease breathing. It's the same god issuing the orders, right?
Once again, I maintain that an All-knowing God would have employed the proper covenant in the first place, rather than toss the first one aside at some point in favor of a "New and Improved" model.



It's not a later, improved covenant.


It's obviously later, since the old covenant had been around for centuries when the new one was instituted. And, if it wasn't an improvement upon the old one, surely your All-Wise God would never have instituted it in the first place.


It's the one after the next after prophecies/instances happen. And has come true. It's not that God "set" these things to happen, but yet, knew they would happen and gave us "believers" a way through them if we keep/kept the faith... for it is faith that saves a soul in the long run.


Wow...that's one convoluted paradigm right there. If God is All-Wise, and can see into the future, then there is absolutely no reason for him to command his minions to engage in centuries of primitive rituals when he was going to scrap that system for a different one later. He would have just went with the "new" covenant in the first place.

Let's get real here...what we really have here is a new religion that was force-fit upon the foundation of an existing, separate, religion. (Incidentally, one of the ways this new religion was "force-fit" upon the foundation of Judaism was by select "doctoring" of passages from the Tanakh in order to make them better fit the doctrines of Christianity.) And, apologists have been tying themselves in knots ever since, trying desperately to come up with "explanations" for why an All-knowing and All-wise God jerked his drones around for centuries before inaugurating the better system of rituals.

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Fri 12/02/16 06:07 PM


I just have to add that I find it amazing that, in order to defend God, you are forced to focus on the difference between the words "murder" and "kill." Particularly since the original writings were in Hebrew to start with!


Not "defending" anything... only enlightening to those that don't know or don't see or don't put into perspective :D


I'm not defending anything, only enlightening those that don't know about our amazing new product!

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Sat 12/03/16 01:09 AM
Well, Guys, it's been fun talking to you, but I'm going to bid you farewell now. I've decided that it's a waste of time for me to be on this site. I've sent dozens of messages (Probably over a hundred.) to many different ladies and gotten almost zero response. (Not counting obvious scammers.) It's not the fault of the site, of course. I'm just not a very appealing guy, it seems. Oh well. I have other things I should be doing anyway.
So...best of luck to you!

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Tue 01/24/17 03:59 PM
Before I knew of God, I was not afraid of death. I was ready to die any day of the week. I never thought I would live past the age of 13. I figured I would get shot and die in the hood. Time passed and I was still alive. As I learned about God, I found out there was a hell. Thats when I feared death. Because I knew I deserved to be there. I confessed my sins to Jesus, and he changed my life. He made me a new person. I wish we could all live, and that nobody would die. But death is natural. It's a transition to a new life. It took me a long time to believe that God could forgive my sins. If in the bible he killed some of those who sinned against him, just imagine what he would do to me. But every time I prayed he didn't convict me. He comforted me. There were times I was in trouble/danger and I would pray... and I would feel like everything will be okay. And it always turned out okay. Many people that say are "Christians" don't even have Jesus in their heart.
They are not saved. How do I know God exists? First, when "I" looked for him, I found him. He didn't show me miracles or the "proof" I needed to believe in him. Second, I knew there were bigger powers in the world that many don't know about. My 270++ lb aunt, went down to around 100 lbs over night. Not exaggerating. They did witchcraft on her. I have also met different types of witches. I also remember an incident where an old friends family member was having an exorcism done on their house. The doors and walls would shake. And they feared the name of Jesus.
You blame God for the bad but don't see that humans are the ones that are doing the bad. God already won. Jesus stepped down from Heaven to die for us. So that we don't have to burn. Jesus didn't come to spread peace but he came with the sword. Just as Jesus is alive, so is Satan. Ever since Adam and Eve sinned, it has been war. But we won. Its been told by God. Not one prophecy has failed to become. Infact the bible is the only book with prophecy. I don't know why some live and some die. But I do know it happens. God is just. He will reveal himself if you look for him. If we believed in Jesus, why should death be feared?
You ask why God did this and that but fail to realize he is God. Creator of all things both good and bad. He can do as he pleases. But what he does is right and just. We don't get saved by works, but it's by Gods will and grace. God really does love you but thats only something he can show you. Read a bible. A King James bible. And if you don't believe in God thats okay. The bible has a lot of wisdom on just about every subject. It has a solution for any problem you're facing. Give it a try.

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Tue 01/24/17 05:17 PM

Before I knew of God, I was not afraid of death. I was ready to die any day of the week. I never thought I would live past the age of 13. I figured I would get shot and die in the hood. Time passed and I was still alive. As I learned about God, I found out there was a hell. Thats when I feared death. Because I knew I deserved to be there. I confessed my sins to Jesus, and he changed my life. He made me a new person. I wish we could all live, and that nobody would die. But death is natural. It's a transition to a new life. It took me a long time to believe that God could forgive my sins. If in the bible he killed some of those who sinned against him, just imagine what he would do to me. But every time I prayed he didn't convict me. He comforted me. There were times I was in trouble/danger and I would pray... and I would feel like everything will be okay. And it always turned out okay. Many people that say are "Christians" don't even have Jesus in their heart.
They are not saved. How do I know God exists? First, when "I" looked for him, I found him. He didn't show me miracles or the "proof" I needed to believe in him. Second, I knew there were bigger powers in the world that many don't know about. My 270++ lb aunt, went down to around 100 lbs over night. Not exaggerating. They did witchcraft on her. I have also met different types of witches. I also remember an incident where an old friends family member was having an exorcism done on their house. The doors and walls would shake. And they feared the name of Jesus.
You blame God for the bad but don't see that humans are the ones that are doing the bad. God already won. Jesus stepped down from Heaven to die for us. So that we don't have to burn. Jesus didn't come to spread peace but he came with the sword. Just as Jesus is alive, so is Satan. Ever since Adam and Eve sinned, it has been war. But we won. Its been told by God. Not one prophecy has failed to become. Infact the bible is the only book with prophecy. I don't know why some live and some die. But I do know it happens. God is just. He will reveal himself if you look for him. If we believed in Jesus, why should death be feared?
You ask why God did this and that but fail to realize he is God. Creator of all things both good and bad. He can do as he pleases. But what he does is right and just. We don't get saved by works, but it's by Gods will and grace. God really does love you but thats only something he can show you. Read a bible. A King James bible. And if you don't believe in God thats okay. The bible has a lot of wisdom on just about every subject. It has a solution for any problem you're facing. Give it a try.


amen <3

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Tue 01/24/17 06:42 PM

Before I knew of God, I was not afraid of death. I was ready to die any day of the week. I never thought I would live past the age of 13. I figured I would get shot and die in the hood. Time passed and I was still alive. As I learned about God, I found out there was a hell. Thats when I feared death. Because I knew I deserved to be there. I confessed my sins to Jesus, and he changed my life. He made me a new person. I wish we could all live, and that nobody would die. But death is natural. It's a transition to a new life. It took me a long time to believe that God could forgive my sins. If in the bible he killed some of those who sinned against him, just imagine what he would do to me. But every time I prayed he didn't convict me. He comforted me. There were times I was in trouble/danger and I would pray... and I would feel like everything will be okay. And it always turned out okay. Many people that say are "Christians" don't even have Jesus in their heart.
They are not saved. How do I know God exists? First, when "I" looked for him, I found him. He didn't show me miracles or the "proof" I needed to believe in him. Second, I knew there were bigger powers in the world that many don't know about. My 270++ lb aunt, went down to around 100 lbs over night. Not exaggerating. They did witchcraft on her. I have also met different types of witches. I also remember an incident where an old friends family member was having an exorcism done on their house. The doors and walls would shake. And they feared the name of Jesus.
You blame God for the bad but don't see that humans are the ones that are doing the bad. God already won. Jesus stepped down from Heaven to die for us. So that we don't have to burn. Jesus didn't come to spread peace but he came with the sword. Just as Jesus is alive, so is Satan. Ever since Adam and Eve sinned, it has been war. But we won. Its been told by God. Not one prophecy has failed to become. Infact the bible is the only book with prophecy. I don't know why some live and some die. But I do know it happens. God is just. He will reveal himself if you look for him. If we believed in Jesus, why should death be feared?
You ask why God did this and that but fail to realize he is God. Creator of all things both good and bad. He can do as he pleases. But what he does is right and just. We don't get saved by works, but it's by Gods will and grace. God really does love you but thats only something he can show you. Read a bible. A King James bible. And if you don't believe in God thats okay. The bible has a lot of wisdom on just about every subject. It has a solution for any problem you're facing. Give it a try.

so when you didn't believe in a happy afterlife, you didn't fear death till you believed in a god... shouldn't that make fear death less?

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Tue 01/24/17 09:38 PM


Before I knew of God, I was not afraid of death. I was ready to die any day of the week. I never thought I would live past the age of 13. I figured I would get shot and die in the hood. Time passed and I was still alive. As I learned about God, I found out there was a hell. Thats when I feared death. Because I knew I deserved to be there. I confessed my sins to Jesus, and he changed my life. He made me a new person. I wish we could all live, and that nobody would die. But death is natural. It's a transition to a new life. It took me a long time to believe that God could forgive my sins. If in the bible he killed some of those who sinned against him, just imagine what he would do to me. But every time I prayed he didn't convict me. He comforted me. There were times I was in trouble/danger and I would pray... and I would feel like everything will be okay. And it always turned out okay. Many people that say are "Christians" don't even have Jesus in their heart.
They are not saved. How do I know God exists? First, when "I" looked for him, I found him. He didn't show me miracles or the "proof" I needed to believe in him. Second, I knew there were bigger powers in the world that many don't know about. My 270++ lb aunt, went down to around 100 lbs over night. Not exaggerating. They did witchcraft on her. I have also met different types of witches. I also remember an incident where an old friends family member was having an exorcism done on their house. The doors and walls would shake. And they feared the name of Jesus.
You blame God for the bad but don't see that humans are the ones that are doing the bad. God already won. Jesus stepped down from Heaven to die for us. So that we don't have to burn. Jesus didn't come to spread peace but he came with the sword. Just as Jesus is alive, so is Satan. Ever since Adam and Eve sinned, it has been war. But we won. Its been told by God. Not one prophecy has failed to become. Infact the bible is the only book with prophecy. I don't know why some live and some die. But I do know it happens. God is just. He will reveal himself if you look for him. If we believed in Jesus, why should death be feared?
You ask why God did this and that but fail to realize he is God. Creator of all things both good and bad. He can do as he pleases. But what he does is right and just. We don't get saved by works, but it's by Gods will and grace. God really does love you but thats only something he can show you. Read a bible. A King James bible. And if you don't believe in God thats okay. The bible has a lot of wisdom on just about every subject. It has a solution for any problem you're facing. Give it a try.

so when you didn't believe in a happy afterlife, you didn't fear death till you believed in a god... shouldn't that make fear death less?


MM . That was the 1st thing that struck me also. Dantes play seems to mean a lot to people.

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Thu 01/26/17 08:35 AM
God needs all the help we can offer,He has got some Battle on his hands
We keep banging on about, why doesn't God do something about it,
Yet, we all sit on our hands Bleating and Moaning, what a sorry bunch
of Children we have turned out to be.

Milesoftheusa's photo
Thu 01/26/17 11:33 PM

God needs all the help we can offer,He has got some Battle on his hands
We keep banging on about, why doesn't God do something about it,
Yet, we all sit on our hands Bleating and Moaning, what a sorry bunch
of Children we have turned out to be.


He needs Help? The creator of the universe needs help.

Kindlightheart's photo
Thu 01/26/17 11:50 PM


God needs all the help we can offer,He has got some Battle on his hands
We keep banging on about, why doesn't God do something about it,
Yet, we all sit on our hands Bleating and Moaning, what a sorry bunch
of Children we have turned out to be.


He needs Help? The creator of the universe needs help.

... I was just talking about something similar...in a "hypothetic" discussion with a few people I made a comment that we as people may need to start killing bad people..my friends said killing others is not just against the law but a sin..I have been pondering this for days..perhaps we are Gods hands doing Gods will...would that be helping God..?..hypothetically speaking..lolflowerforyou

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Fri 01/27/17 07:33 AM
^ interesting....flowerforyou waving

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Fri 01/27/17 10:31 AM



God needs all the help we can offer,He has got some Battle on his hands
We keep banging on about, why doesn't God do something about it,
Yet, we all sit on our hands Bleating and Moaning, what a sorry bunch
of Children we have turned out to be.


He needs Help? The creator of the universe needs help.

... I was just talking about something similar...in a "hypothetic" discussion with a few people I made a comment that we as people may need to start killing bad people..my friends said killing others is not just against the law but a sin..I have been pondering this for days..perhaps we are Gods hands doing Gods will...would that be helping God..?..hypothetically speaking..lolflowerforyou

We know people need help helping thyselves, more so than ever...sadly getting them to relize they are lost is like talking to a wall. flowerforyou

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Sat 01/28/17 03:30 AM



God needs all the help we can offer,He has got some Battle on his hands
We keep banging on about, why doesn't God do something about it,
Yet, we all sit on our hands Bleating and Moaning, what a sorry bunch
of Children we have turned out to be.


He needs Help? The creator of the universe needs help.

... I was just talking about something similar...in a "hypothetic" discussion with a few people I made a comment that we as people may need to start killing bad people..my friends said killing others is not just against the law but a sin..I have been pondering this for days..perhaps we are Gods hands doing Gods will...would that be helping God..?..hypothetically speaking..lolflowerforyou


The Inquisition. Was that helping him? Can we change the end? Did our Example kill anyone?

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Sat 02/18/17 02:52 PM
Well! yes He does,we have minds to use,do you actually think that the Creator of the Universe,has only us to worry about,there are Trillions and Trillions of life holding planets,all with their own way of deciding who or what to believe in, you may think this statement is off the wall, you may well be right,but I firmly believe that he gave us a Brain to use, and we are not using it correctly,I don't have the answer
but I just get the feeling he is holding his Head in his Hands,and thinking to Himself, why have I got so many idiots as Children.

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Sun 02/19/17 09:34 PM

Well! yes He does,we have minds to use,do you actually think that the Creator of the Universe,has only us to worry about,there are Trillions and Trillions of life holding planets,all with their own way of deciding who or what to believe in, you may think this statement is off the wall, you may well be right,but I firmly believe that he gave us a Brain to use, and we are not using it correctly,I don't have the answer
but I just get the feeling he is holding his Head in his Hands,and thinking to Himself, why have I got so many idiots as Children.


Trillions of life holding planets? is thier scripture for that? we have a brain to use thats why we study. Thats why we use the golden rule. do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Be an example as Yahshua was our example. Yahshua was sinless. Baptism is for the forgiveness of sin but he said to fulfill all righteousness. John knew he did not need to be baptised. It was an example to us. He winks at our ignorance. Our help to him is the example of love and forgiveness.

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Wed 03/15/17 12:36 PM


Well! yes He does,we have minds to use,do you actually think that the Creator of the Universe,has only us to worry about,there are Trillions and Trillions of life holding planets,all with their own way of deciding who or what to believe in, you may think this statement is off the wall, you may well be right,but I firmly believe that he gave us a Brain to use, and we are not using it correctly,I don't have the answer
but I just get the feeling he is holding his Head in his Hands,and thinking to Himself, why have I got so many idiots as Children.


Trillions of life holding planets? is thier scripture for that? we have a brain to use thats why we study. Thats why we use the golden rule. do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Be an example as Yahshua was our example. Yahshua was sinless. Baptism is for the forgiveness of sin but he said to fulfill all righteousness. John knew he did not need to be baptised. It was an example to us. He winks at our ignorance. Our help to him is the example of love and forgiveness.

You seem to be talking at cross purposes with yourself.

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Thu 03/16/17 04:22 AM
Why don't you knuckleheads knock it off or I will come down there and start slapping you people off the planet

Do you think I am just sitting up here relaxing? I don't have time to be reading thru this crap.

And Where the hell do you guys get all your information from? I say one thing, and you "Einstein's" twist it into 100 different meanings.

God

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Thu 03/16/17 02:42 PM

Why don't you knuckleheads knock it off or I will come down there and start slapping you people off the planet

Do you think I am just sitting up here relaxing? I don't have time to be reading thru this crap.

And Where the hell do you guys get all your information from? I say one thing, and you "Einstein's" twist it into 100 different meanings.

God

And, your point is?
Maybe you don't have a point of view, but we do,it's called freedom of thought, the ability to try and rationalize, reason, agree to disagree,but then again-there are those who think this is all crap,well!!! that's one way of becoming another Einstein.rant