that's good. but in this scenario ,you would be calling all 6 of us liars, especially my Mother.

don't ever make a comment about any of my posts ever again, do you understand that old man?

i do not recall ever being threatened by a self-appointed Chosen One before...

thanks for the warning Junior

that was a statement that i would hope, if you thought i was a liar, you would view my last post as an invitation to walk away and leave me alone so our paths never cross again

i like these forums and i get flack by being here from my real life. but i learn here from all views plus i get a chance to put things out there that will cause mixed reactions. and as that happens, anyone finding me to be a liar should just stop posting to me forever.

it's a public forum....you are not the boss here.....i do what i want to do...

because as time goes by, and i tell that story to those like Bob, who was a recovering heroine addict on the methadone treatment plan and works as top inspector for the shop we are employed at...had a reaction that some how broke all addictions and he was able to quit cold turkey and claims hasn't ever been tempted to do that junk again.

and of course, Bob, did say call your Mom and let me see what she says. and all i did after she answered was say, Mom, i have a friend here and i was telling him that story about the semi at Grandpa's funeral. he wants your version of it. and then when my Mom stopped, Bob just threw his hands up and said, my God she said word for word and there was no chance for you to warn her.

so when God works for some and not for others, who are you to claim i am lying by giving Praise to my God, when i share these incredible true stories and His involvement?

if you don't like the context, then DON'T READ!!

you are nothing but an ankle biter bobbing its head up and down, you ain't fooling anyone, yo quiero taco bell.

Here:

An all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving, all-forgiving, eternal God...

You are a sinner.
I will forgive your sins if you believe in me.

Consider the fact that everything is the creation of your God.
Those sins you do are there because God put them there in the first place.
Free will allows me to choose which sin I do and which I don't but the sin was created by God.

As far as I am concerned, program me if you want to program me.
Give me act a, act b and act c and only allow me to choose those acts.
In essence, that is exactly what your God has done.

We are limited to a certain number of choices by your God.
Choices which are predestined.
This all-knowing God which created everything did not give us the actual options to choose anything besides sin or redemption.
Can I lift off and fly to another realm if my choices are limited?
No.
Can I change the parameters of the reality I exist?
No.
I am limited by your God's creation.
How is that free will?

If I deny your religion I will burn in hell.
How is that free will?
How is that even a choice?
It is a predestination based on limited parameters.

I'm given an animal body with animal drives and needs and expected to live in such a way which is not natural for animals?
How is that free will?
We see other animals behaving like animals but we are restricted from such behavior because we are limited in our choices.
How is that free will?

If your God wanted a robot, this all-knowing all-powerful diety should have made robots.

How can it be a sin to survive in a world your God allowed to happen?
I say allowed because your God is all-powerful, all-knowing and the creator of everything.

What's the point?
(besides men controlling the behavior of other men)
But, isn't that what religion is, a social control?

Here, let's look at this from a different angle.

Sin:

Is the act of sin the same as the mind of sin and the soul of sin?

I don't like rap.
I hear rap and I go outside with my 357 and put two in the driver of the car playing loud rap.
The act of sin.
I can be forgiven if I ask.

I hear rap, I think about shooting the driver but don't.
The mind of sin.
I can be forgiven if I ask.

I hear rap, it makes me feel uncomfortable and uneasy.
I have less ability to control my anger and I am short with everyone, snappy and intolerant.
I didn't shoot the driver.
I didn't think about shooting the driver.
The soul of sin.
I can be forgiven if I ask.

Lets consider I never tell anyone or change my behavior after hearing rap.
From every possible angle, mind, body and soul, I have not allowed rap to affect me.
Yet, I still don't like it.
Have I sinned?
Do I need to be forgiven for sin I had no idea I committed?

I kill someone who is shooting children at my local school.
I pull my gun and shoot him in the forehead.
Have I sinned?
Do I need to be forgiven?
I feel absolutely no remorse.
I did what needed to be done to protect the children who were dying.
I have killed so, I sinned.
I feel fine.
I am having no problem with my act.
Why do I need to be forgiven?

Perhaps forgiveness is only a way to allow you to live with the acts or thoughts you have.
It calms your soul but if your soul needs no calming, is forgiveness needed?
Why?

I think it's all about power and control. If you're a 'believer' that gives you the power to 'offer forgiveness' because that is a meaningless act. Doesn't compare well with offering a dollar to a beggar. The dollar is useful, the words are meaningless, but the provide the speaker with a feeling of power over those they forgive. They can do things like call others a 'liar' while at the same time getting very annoyed with someone who calls them a liar. I don't call anyone a liar unless I know them well enough to know what truth they believe and understand why they might be lying. But then, what else would you expect from a delusioned misfit?

Most of the things we think we know, are lies.

One man's misinterpretation is another man's declaration of war.

Eg. With english language only oxford interpretation is correct in law, so / but a different valid interpretation is not recognised in court.

And if you truly believe in your interpretation no matter how wrong, you are not lying, but merely asserting a falsehood, without willful intent.

Who said what was blue in colour first, they may have be wrong, so we all are.

Anyhow: No Creator, everything JUST IS !
or
what / who created the creator of the creator of the creator ? And so on.

personally, i have no idea what happened to kick start all of this off and many answers Science offers are so to just fill in the blanks. some of their attempts however are viable, but the universe is bigger than one mind or a conglomeration of minds together assuming the what ifs...

and then even with Science like Religion, it can come down to personal view over hardcore evidence backing or against your own theories.

but in all of that, the only difference maker in my entire existence was not being taught about the idealism of God, but was being in situations where no human could help me and it took either a higher power or the best luck anyone has and frankly, LUCK, does not exist!!

it is or it is not, it is NEVER lucky!!

and Tom,

this is going to come across as pure stupidity, but Paul claimed what he wrote, taught, spoke about was first hand given to him directly from Yeshua from His Throne in Heaven via His Holy Spirit...BUT, Paul explains the true meaning of BOTH "Grace" and "Mercy."


and ultimately what it comes down to is this.......


.......Accepting God puts you into a "Clause" that because we are human, and will sin (towards other humans by doing them wrong, lying to them, misleading them, coercing them, manipulating them, hurt them emotionally-mentally-physically)
^
all these things we can do if we allow ourselves to are what constitutes a sin towards your fellow human.
^
BUT, it's accepting Yeshua as you believe He is real, exists, and is God that matters more than if you sin less. because if God is Real, He then is Pure, and if He is Creator and we are Creation, we will always be sin to His Pureness.



these "do nots" were the LAW.

the LAW no longer exists.

only Grace and Mercy exist.

so a believer who unfortunately sins, is not automatically a SINNER because they wholeheartedly believe that Yeshua is factually who He claimed to be and who the Greeks wrote as He was.

and it is more important to believe in God than if you sin or not!!


the Hebrews believed God from WORD Go and God gave them the Law.

by time Yeshua was on earth, and the Jews had made enemies to all of the world over their God, it was more important to God to be accepted as real than if
you are sinless!!

and this is why you hear Preachers speak on Grace and Mercy.

because wholeheartedly believing in God in a world who denies Him, is worthy to God of His Grace and Mercy, and it is not all about trying to walk a straight sinless line!!

we want to live a sinless life but that is IMPOSSIBLE.
people will piss you off, will make you think thoughts you try to avoid, it is just what it is.

and since you are harping on this SIN MESSAGE, i just thought you should understand that it IS NOT about SIN at all (Yeshua took that away when He died), it's all about Believing He died and took my sins away which is Grace and Mercy, because to begin with, I believe that Yeshua is EVERYTHING HE CLAIMED and what the Greeks claimed!!

of course, no true Believer would ever want to feel free enough to commit true atrocities like murder, theft, they would be respectful enough to not talk behind your back WHICH IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS FOR ANY HUMAN NOT SECURE WITHIN THEMSELVES!!




i said true Believer, not the preacher holding his hand out for your wallet!!


technically, the Adam/Eve/Tree/Garden/Serpent scene is just to get to Yeshua to remove the impurity of humanity.

and that was all for the benefit of the Hebrew Peoples.

we have the "same benefits" for just BELIEVING that God is really real and exists.

not because we try to sin less towards one another, which any good person trying to be good Believer or Not is attempting to do.

the view that we should see is how Yeshua saw it, enough to die for all of us. as in, if we have the answer, or can be solution, or just a stone in the pavement to pave the road, it's a real focus on trying to not commit sin against the other 8 billion people on this Earth who might be wanting to do the OPPOSITE to You!!

read what i just posted to Tom.


it's not even about sin at all!!

the sin part is definitely HOW others controlled the MASSES INDEED!!

but that is because no one reads what the Word actually claims.

it's not about us sinning at all!!

since i have gotten up and out of bed, scratched my azz taking my morning pizz and blasting out any gases left over. then making some coffee and seeing what some of my dogs got into and how the farm is doing and then later have to go into the shop...i probably had 10 bad thoughts i would not in my life ever want to entertain and enjoy.

it happens.

it does not mean i am bad or good.

and this is why the Bible is not about OUR SINS, but that sins are ALREADY Forgiven by Yeshua.

and that only works to those who actually believe that Yeshua is real.



the rich young man in Book of Matthew said to Yeshua,what must I do to gain Eternal Life?

Yeshua said, believe that I am REAL and WHO I SAY THAT I AM.




between 8 billion people today, doing that ^ is the most difficult task to accept, believing that God simply Exists!!

which is why God claimed, only a SMALL REMNANT will make it, because those are the ones WHO TRULY and LITERALLY believe that Yeshua is the Real Deal!!

the rest do not believe and never will in this life!!

so the Chosen is about those who CHOOSE GOD, as in, believes He actually and literally EXISTS!!

and there are literally ONLY A SMALL REMNANT of TRUE BELIEVERS amidst 8 Billion current people.

because they cannot find it within themselves to only Believe!!






::it was NEVER about personal sin, but always about personal belief::

MK is a humanist based upon his convictions

people like Tom put money down knowing someone in need will pick it up.

the examples are too many to list to show we are GOOD PEOPLE on our own accounts because we want to be GOOD over being BAD!!

this is why SIN was never the Reason for God revealing Himself to humanity in the first place, and why Yeshua came to be a Reminder of God, all for humanity to just Believe God is Real!!

all throughout the Gospels, the Jews keep asking, why are you here?

Yeshua always said because the Mercy of God.

God ended this issue with Sin and Humanity on the Cross!!

that issue no longer exists!!

that was the Mosaic Law and it has been broken since the Cross!!


What it is and has always has been about, DO YOU BELIEVE GOD IS REAL?



that is the bottom line of 66 Books in the Bible!!

and had not some moron messed with it, there should be about 130 Books in the Bible!!


and they are all about just believing that God is Real!!

not about condemning, pointing fingers, saying you're bad and not good enough....those are what FOOLS have misinterpreted it to be.


but Mercy is the condition we now call Grace.
it's endless.

it's not about SIN!!


only about this is the God who made Himself known to a certain people and commanded them to tell the world. Do you believe that or not, is what it all amounts to...