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Topic: Charity vs Sin
SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Tue 03/10/15 06:09 PM
In short... God, is a creation according to You, Cowboy GH. (Not Certain Everybody Out-There In Mingle Land Will Like This) Did not say that John 1:1 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God's I'm curious Cowboy GH, You claim You don't want anything to do with Catholic Teaching, but You're quite content to keep reusing the same abrogated verses made by The Church. Also, You evade answering the 'one' question I had about Colossians 1: 15... Where it says Jesus is the first-born of creation.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 03/10/15 06:15 PM
In short... God, is a creation according to You, Cowboy GH. (Not Certain Everybody Out-There In Mingle Land Will Like This) Did not say that John 1:1 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God's I'm curious Cowboy GH, You claim You don't want anything to do with Catholic Teaching, but You're quite content to keep reusing the same abrogated verses made by The Church. Also, You evade answering the 'one' question I had about Colossians 1: 15... Where it says Jesus is the first-born of creation. I'm not using any verses or any "teachings" from any organized religion. And I did answer your question.. John 1:1 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God You do realize Jesus is the Word right? Later it goes into the Word being "made" flesh eg., Jesus. Before Jesus or the Word there was nothing, he is the start of life. If you'll read the very next verse, it explains what I'm saying here. 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Tue 03/10/15 06:24 PM
You really can't extend the small courtesy of answering 'one' question at a time, can You?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 03/10/15 06:29 PM
You really can't extend the small courtesy of answering 'one' question at a time, can You? I did answer the question you posed. Jesus is the first OF creation. This could not be if he himself hadn't created everything. That is why he is first OF creation, for he was before the creation eg., us. Of course it doesn't mean it as literal, for it says the first of "creation". That means he is firstborn of the cats, lions, whales, man, ect. Life begins with Jesus thus is why he is referred to as the first of creation. Life begins no where else but with God, Jesus Christ.

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Tue 03/10/15 07:05 PM
But Cowboy GH, You said Jesus and his (Metaphorical) Father are 'one.' Now, You've changed what You believe in? What's happened to, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost? (Supposedly, All The Same 'One' God) Could it be that YOU don't actually believe in the Trinity, Yourself? ( Welcome To The Club! ) Didn't change anything, sorry for the misunderstanding and please cross reference the following information if you wish. But when Jesus said "The Father and I are one" it's in reference to their wills, desires, mindsets, and such. IT DOES NOT MEAN THE SAME ENTITY. As show in many verses from Jesus referring to his father in third party to while Jesus was on the cross the Father says "This is my son in whom I'm well pleased". If THEY WERE THE SAME ENTITY, that last statement from the Father would be a lie. And also ...... This is vacillating ! (Going Back And Forth) You say they're are the same Entity... Then You say they're not the same Entity... Then You say they're the same Entity again... Please, make-up our minds as to what You expect us to believe. [This Reference Is From Several Pages Back]

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 03/10/15 07:24 PM
But Cowboy GH, You said Jesus and his (Metaphorical) Father are 'one.' Now, You've changed what You believe in? What's happened to, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost? (Supposedly, All The Same 'One' God) Could it be that YOU don't actually believe in the Trinity, Yourself? ( Welcome To The Club! ) Didn't change anything, sorry for the misunderstanding and please cross reference the following information if you wish. But when Jesus said "The Father and I are one" it's in reference to their wills, desires, mindsets, and such. IT DOES NOT MEAN THE SAME ENTITY. As show in many verses from Jesus referring to his father in third party to while Jesus was on the cross the Father says "This is my son in whom I'm well pleased". If THEY WERE THE SAME ENTITY, that last statement from the Father would be a lie. And also ...... This is vacillating ! (Going Back And Forth) You say they're are the same Entity... Then You say they're not the same Entity... Then You say they're the same Entity again... Please, make-up our minds as to what You expect us to believe. [This Reference Is From Several Pages Back] I never said they were the same entity. When Jesus references his father, he NEVER claims it to be "our" father eg., him and us. He always only says his father. As Jesus is our father, he is the one that created us, made us, and molded us. Jesus himself is our God. Jesus himself is our father, again he never references his father as ours, only proclaims his father as "his father". They are one God, as when Jesus said "The father and I are one" the word(s) translated for that are in reference to their wills, desires, wants, ect. And the word god itself means "authority over another". So with Jesus saying the father and I are one only states one is not necessarily greater the the other. But are both in equal "authority" over us. As it was Jesus that formed us in the first place.

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Tue 03/10/15 07:42 PM Edited by SheikOfLaBroquerie on Tue 03/10/15 07:50 PM
So, does Almighty God answer to Jesus or is it the other way around? Neither John 10:30 30 I and my Father are one. [This Is From Page One] Are You... Or, are You not implying Father and Son are the same one Being? ******** A Seperate Being / A Separate Soul / A Separate Entity ******** . . . . . . . . . . ............ (Let us see how simple this answer will be)........

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 03/10/15 08:10 PM Edited by CowboyGH on Tue 03/10/15 08:11 PM
So, does Almighty God answer to Jesus or is it the other way around? Neither John 10:30 30 I and my Father are one. [This Is From Page One] Are You... Or, are You not implying Father and Son are the same one Being? ******** A Seperate Being / A Separate Soul / A Separate Entity ******** . . . . . . . . . . ............ (Let us see how simple this answer will be)........ Separate beings, one God. That is assuming your reference to "the father" is in reference to his father.

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Tue 03/10/15 08:16 PM
Not, including Joseph, Jesus' segregate father. Only with reference to 'Father' as in Deity, please.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 03/10/15 08:18 PM
Not, including Joseph, Jesus' segregate father. Only with reference to 'Father' as in Deity, please. As far as I know through the scriptures, Jesus' father has absolutely nothing to do with us specifically. From genesis to revelations in the scriptures. Jesus Christ himself is the one that formed us, created us, and breathed life into us.

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Tue 03/10/15 08:35 PM
******** To Clarify ******** Father <---- With Upper-Case Letter 'F' Will Imply, God ---<<< father <---- With Lower-Case Letter 'f' Will Imply, Joseph ---<<< . . . . . . ............. Again, NOT Implying Joseph ..............

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 03/10/15 08:39 PM
******** To Clarify ******** Father <---- With Upper-Case Letter 'F' Will Imply, God ---<<< father <---- With Lower-Case Letter 'f' Will Imply, Joseph ---<<< . . . . . . ............. Again, NOT Implying Joseph .............. Not to sound rude or anything, but Joseph I've absolutely never thought of as my father. He has ABSOLUTELY no bearing on my soul or even my very existence. Joseph really isn't even a thought as Marry carried and born Jesus without knowing a man. So in the end Joseph has absolutely nothing to do with anything in the end.

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Tue 03/10/15 08:57 PM
AGAIN,... NOT.... IMPLYING.... JOSEPH.... AT.... ALL... IN... THIS... DISCUSSION... AS... ANY... POINT... AT... ALL... IN... THIS... SUBJECT... PERIOD

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Tue 03/10/15 09:00 PM Edited by SheikOfLaBroquerie on Tue 03/10/15 09:08 PM
Neither John 10:30 30 I and my Father are one. [What Is Written Above Is From Page One] Are You... Or, are You not implying Father and Son are the same one Being? ******** A Seperate Being / A Separate Soul / A Separate Entity ******** . . . . . . . . . . ............ (Let us see how simple this answer will be)........ .

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 03/10/15 09:23 PM
Neither John 10:30 30 I and my Father are one. [What Is Written Above Is From Page One] Are You... Or, are You not implying Father and Son are the same one Being? ******** A Seperate Being / A Separate Soul / A Separate Entity ******** . . . . . . . . . . ............ (Let us see how simple this answer will be)........ . If you'll ever notice again Jesus never refers to his father as ours. He only mentions him being his god or not. Please if I'm mistaken, give a verse that displays as Jesus's father as our own. Jesus is our God, our father, our creator.

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Tue 03/10/15 09:31 PM
(Matthew 6: 9) Jesus says, "'You must pray this way...'" "'Our Father who is in heaven, let your name be sanctified.'"

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 03/10/15 09:47 PM
(Matthew 6: 9) Jesus says, "'You must pray this way...'" "'Our Father who is in heaven, let your name be sanctified.'" amen....

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Tue 03/10/15 09:56 PM
If you'll ever notice again Jesus never refers to his father as ours. He only mentions him being his god or not. Please if I'm mistaken, give a verse that displays as Jesus's father as our own. Jesus is our God, our father, our creator. Jesus uses the word 'Our' with regards the Heavenly Father. This Is my reply to You! ****** Our Father who art in Heaven ******

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 03/10/15 09:58 PM Edited by CowboyGH on Tue 03/10/15 09:59 PM
Please do show these verses where it is clear that his father is ours. If you'll ever notice again Jesus never refers to his father as ours. He only mentions him being his god or not. Please if I'm mistaken, give a verse that displays as Jesus's father as our own. Jesus is our God, our father, our creator. Jesus uses the word 'Our' with regards the Heavenly Father. This Is my reply to You! ****** Our Father who art in Heaven ******

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Tue 03/10/15 10:08 PM
Matthew 6: Verse 9 This isn't even a discussion any more. It's an unending loop of grammatical oxymorons and vacillations. Good Night!