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SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Sun 03/08/15 07:50 PM
So, You agree... The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are three separate Entities? (Just A Yes Or No Answer, Please)

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 03/08/15 07:52 PM
So, You agree... The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are three separate Entities? (Just A Yes Or No Answer, Please) Yes three entities, one God.

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Sun 03/08/15 07:58 PM
We have an oxymoron here... An Entity is one living Being. Is Your understanding of God as being augmented into three characters or 'play-roles' so as to speak? ......Or...... Is Your understanding of God as being the one dominant Entity with other subjective Entities that follow Him?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 03/08/15 08:03 PM
We have an oxymoron here... An Entity is one living Being. Is Your understanding of God as being augmented into three characters or 'play-roles' so as to speak? ......Or...... Is Your understanding of God as being the one dominant Entity with other subjective Entities that follow Him? God is all three entities. God - 3 : a person or thing of supreme value 4 : a powerful ruler John 5:19 19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. That's why when it's in reference to Jesus it will say "Thy" God eg., "Your" God. And with Jesus coming to do the Father's will, thus made his Father his God as Jesus was obeying the Father's will. And also why he always just says "His father" or "his God".

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 03/08/15 08:06 PM
We have an oxymoron here... An Entity is one living Being. Is Your understanding of God as being augmented into three characters or 'play-roles' so as to speak? ......Or...... Is Your understanding of God as being the one dominant Entity with other subjective Entities that follow Him? God is all three entities. God - 3 : a person or thing of supreme value 4 : a powerful ruler John 5:19 19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. That's why when it's in reference to Jesus it will say "Thy" God eg., "Your" God. And with Jesus coming to do the Father's will, thus made his Father his God as Jesus was obeying the Father's will. And also why he always just says "His father" or "his God". Also please do keep in mind the term "God" is a "title". It's not a name of a being. And again is why we are referred to as gods, "know ye not that ye are gods..." But there is only one "God" and even the Devils tremble. for at the end of the day there is only one God above all else.

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Sun 03/08/15 08:10 PM
Okay, replace the word 'Entity' or 'Entities' with the word Soul or Souls. Same question as before, just different Nouns, this time. ****** God Is a Spirit and a living Soul ***** How many 'Souls' are Jehovah, and Jesus, and the Holy Spirit?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 03/08/15 08:14 PM
Okay, replace the word 'Entity' or 'Entities' with the word Soul or Souls. Same question as before, just different Nouns, this time. ****** God Is a Spirit and a living Soul ***** How many 'Souls' are Jehovah, and Jesus, and the Holy Spirit? John 1 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:14 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Thus we reference as Jesus. Deuteronomy 10:17 17 For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: Sounds like they are all Jesus', as he is the one that formed us in our mother's womb.

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Sun 03/08/15 08:22 PM Edited by SheikOfLaBroquerie on Sun 03/08/15 08:29 PM
Okay, replace the word 'Entity' or 'Entities' with the word Soul or Souls. Same question as before, just different Nouns, this time. ****** God Is a Spirit and a living Soul ***** How many 'Souls' are Jehovah, and Jesus, and the Holy Spirit? John 1 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God's. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:14 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory like that of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Thus we reference as Jesus in subjection to his Creator. Deuteronomy 10:17 17 For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: Doesn't sound like they are all Jesus', as He (The Almighty) is the one that formed us in our mother's womb. There... I fixed John 1: 1 for You because we've had this discussion before, and You NEED to know how it was originally written before the CATHOLIC CHURCH abrogated Your Bible.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 03/08/15 08:29 PM
Okay, replace the word 'Entity' or 'Entities' with the word Soul or Souls. Same question as before, just different Nouns, this time. ****** God Is a Spirit and a living Soul ***** How many 'Souls' are Jehovah, and Jesus, and the Holy Spirit? John 1 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God's. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:14 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Thus we reference as Jesus. Deuteronomy 10:17 17 For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: Sounds like they are all Jesus', as he is the one that formed us in our mother's womb. There... I fixed John 1: 1 for You because we've had this discussion before, and You NEED to know how it was originally written before the CATHOLIC CHURCH abrogated Your Bible. Exodus 20:2 2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Typo again? "Thy God" Luke 4:12 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Aweful lot of typos at this rate Deuteronomy 10:17 17 For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: Aweful lot of typos that point to Jesus being God, even the God of Gods.

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Sun 03/08/15 08:33 PM
Thy... Is just Old English for 'Your.'

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 03/08/15 08:34 PM
Thy... Is just Old English for 'Your.' I understand that sir. Thus he is saying he is "your" God.

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Sun 03/08/15 08:35 PM Edited by SheikOfLaBroquerie on Sun 03/08/15 08:41 PM
And Thee... Is just 'You' in Old English.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 03/08/15 08:38 PM
And Thee... I just 'You' in Old English. I understand that sir. Thus he is saying he is "your" God.

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Sun 03/08/15 08:38 PM
We have an oxymoron here... An Entity is one living Being. Is Your understanding of God as being augmented into three characters or 'play-roles' so as to speak? ......Or...... Is Your understanding of God as being the one dominant Entity with other subjective Entities that follow Him?

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Sun 03/08/15 08:38 PM
Okay, replace the word 'Entity' or 'Entities' with the word Soul or Souls. Same question as before, just different Nouns, this time. ****** God Is a Spirit and a living Soul ***** How many 'Souls' are Jehovah, and Jesus, and the Holy Spirit?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 03/08/15 08:41 PM
We have an oxymoron here... An Entity is one living Being. Is Your understanding of God as being augmented into three characters or 'play-roles' so as to speak? ......Or...... Is Your understanding of God as being the one dominant Entity with other subjective Entities that follow Him? Yes we've already discussed this... An entity is a living being, and the word "God" is a word the entity uses to display authority over another. Thus why Jesus is referred to as our "God". For he created us and has all entire control over us.

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Sun 03/08/15 08:49 PM
And You'll just keep using the same abrogated verses that the Catholic Church left You with 17 hundred years ago to advocate the same Doctrine You keep vacillating between. One minute You believe in the Trinity... The next minute You believe Jesus is separate from the Creator.

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Sun 03/08/15 08:55 PM
But Cowboy GH, You said Jesus and his (Metaphorical) Father are 'one.' Now, You've changed what You believe in? What's happened to, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost? (Supposedly, All The Same 'One' God) Could it be that YOU don't actually believe in the Trinity, Yourself? ( Welcome To The Club! ) Didn't change anything, sorry for the misunderstanding and please cross reference the following information if you wish. But when Jesus said "The Father and I are one" it's in reference to their wills, desires, mindsets, and such. It does not mean one entity. As show in many verses from Jesus referring to his father in third party to while Jesus was on the cross the Father says "This is my son in whom I'm well pleased". If they were both one entity, that last statement from the Father would be a lie. And also Jesus would not have said such things as - John 5:30 30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. Again if they were one entity, the above statement would then be a lie. As there would be no separation in wills if they were one entity. Thought I'd move this forward, as it's pertinent to my last post.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 03/08/15 08:55 PM
And You'll just keep using the same abrogated verses that the Catholic Church left You with 17 hundred years ago to advocate the same Doctrine You keep vacillating between. One minute You believe in the Trinity... The next minute You believe Jesus is separate from the Creator. That is where you're misunderstanding... Again as i've said I haven't been "taught", I haven't been trained, haven't been brought up with a specific belief. My belief revolves around the knowledge I possess from the scriptures in my mind. Being a disabled man, has given me lots of time to study through the scriptures. Not saying I know them 100% or perfectly. But nevertheless yeah that's where my beliefs come from. So don't know what you mean by "donctrine you keep vacillating between". cause the only "doctrine" I use is the holy bible cross referenced and researched in comparison to it's original meaning/writing. Thus how I know the meaning from the root meaning of the words when Jesus said "The father and I are one". I'm nothing special my friend, nor do I intend to project such a thing. It's not about who's right or who's wrong. Cause if I am wrong, I truly hope someone points it out. Not just that it is wrong, but how or why it is and gives explanation so I can potentially learn something and grow.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 03/08/15 08:58 PM
But Cowboy GH, You said Jesus and his (Metaphorical) Father are 'one.' Now, You've changed what You believe in? What's happened to, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost? (Supposedly, All The Same 'One' God) Could it be that YOU don't actually believe in the Trinity, Yourself? ( Welcome To The Club! ) Didn't change anything, sorry for the misunderstanding and please cross reference the following information if you wish. But when Jesus said "The Father and I are one" it's in reference to their wills, desires, mindsets, and such. It does not mean one entity. As show in many verses from Jesus referring to his father in third party to while Jesus was on the cross the Father says "This is my son in whom I'm well pleased". If they were both one entity, that last statement from the Father would be a lie. And also Jesus would not have said such things as - John 5:30 30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. Again if they were one entity, the above statement would then be a lie. As there would be no separation in wills if they were one entity. Thought I'd move this forward, as it's pertinent to my last post. Yes again, I never once said they were one entity nor insinuated it. They are all separate entities and are one God. As they are all the same authority over us, as they are one and do not "argue/disagree". So them working in 100% harmony with one another in thought and action(s) for us, they are one God.