I understand Your dilemma.

I too, in the past wrestled with various scriptures till I was able to find out certain verses have been abrogated.

This issue is 17 hundred years old, but rest assured this wasn't an issue before that time.

That is why God Almighty in his mercy and wisdom sent the Quran to reiterate his original understanding about himself.

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Cowboy GH, can I leave You with one last final thought?

Of course :)

You, believe Jesus is God, right?

yes, he is God almighty.


Revelation 1:8

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

How fair-seeming is it to make a picture or a statue of God?


(I'm Not Expecting You To Answer This, Good Night)

Never


Exodus 20:4

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.


God wants us to worship him, not idols or objects.

So, You can't condone a picture of Jesus or a statue of Jesus or a crucifix.

(As They Would Be Images Of God)

not to sound rude, but point being?

[The Next Day]

Well, if I'm to assume the Christian community perceives Jesus as God... Wouldn't it be profane for Christians to make pictures and statues of their God, Jesus?

Doesn't it beckon the question... Who has the right to make an image of God Jesus?

(1st John 5: 21) <----- This Is A Letter, Not The Gospel ----<<<

Plain for a layman to understand Sheik.

which practices just as much Abrogation,of even a more dangerous kind!
you all ought to really thank that Christian Blacksmith,with whom your Prophet sat many hours in the times before the Koran!

Nobody has the right to make any graven image of God, for he has warned us against it.

For starters, nobody living today knows what Jesus would look like. Yes we may have a close resemblance of Jesus, not sure where that image specifically came from. But nevertheless we personally wouldn't know what he truly looks like in person and God doesn't want us worshiping a statue, picture, or any "graven image" of him. He wants us to worship him alone, that only needs our heart and mind, not some idol worship.

I apologize my friend, must have misread your statement originally when I replied.

But it's not my place to "condone" to anything, people can and will do as they please. But no, God has forbade against such worship, crucifix or other.

Now it's perfectly fine to have such things as crosses and what not, as those are memorabilia so to speak. Those aren't objects for worship. They are symbols in remembrance of what God has done for us.

Well Nero, I'm glade my questions didn't go over Everybody's head.

We obviously see eye to eye!

Well Conrad, Your thoughts aren't new...

I wonder if I could interest You in looking-up these verses from the Quran, in keeping with Your thoughts of 'Forged' scripture.

(Your, Metaphorical Blacksmith Didn't Evade My Notice)

Surah 46: 7-14

Surah 17: 85-96

Okay Cowboy GH, let's move away from potential cause for Idolatry, and go back to who Jesus is in relation to the (Metaphorical) Almighty Father.

Do You believe Jesus is the 'first-born of creation', as is mentioned in Colossians 1: verse 15?

Absolutely Sheik. Jesus isn't "metaphorically" our father Sheik, for he is our God, our creator.

Genesis chapter 2 which is a recap of chapter 1 but goes further into detail. We aren't brother's and sister's with Jesus when in reference to "his" father. He never claims his father is ours. Only repeats over and over he himself is our God.


Genesis 2:4

4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,


Also don't forget


John 1:1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

There was no before Jesus or the "Word" so in that, of course he would be the first of everything. Thus why he say's he is the alpha and omega the beginning and the end. There was no "before" Jesus nor will there be an after for he is eternal forever and ever.

In short... God, is a creation according to You, Cowboy GH.

(Not Certain Everybody Out-There In Mingle Land Will Like This)

Did not say that

John 1:1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

If God was a creation, the following verse would be irrelevant and moot.

Genesis 2:4

4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

For if God was a creation, he could not have very well created Earth or Heaven or anything in between.