Topic: Criticizing the President
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Thu 03/05/15 06:31 PM

I did address on the first page some of the accomplishments under his presidency

,, I don't say he did them because Presidents don't personally have singular authority to do , on their own. The congress is the part of government that 'does' the most,,,,


,,,this is what I wrote on the first page:

and then perception is important, many major accomplishments being made UNDER HIS PRESIDENCY (notice I don't say 'by him' because presidents dont have singular power to effect such things)

are currently viewed as 'mistakes'

like accomplishment in healthcare with reform
accomplishment for LGBT with same sex marriage and repeal of dadt in the military
accommplishments for women with equal pay legislation
accomplishments for immigrants with immigration reform
unemployment coming back down to pre presidency rates
job gains coming back up
alternate energy sources increasing in development



and , in MY perception, he has faced opposition that is nearly unprecedented from what I have seen in my lifetime, , with congressmen actually making their mission to make sure he 'failed'
from day one, showing him disrespect FROM DAY ONE,, and on and on

I believe he has overseen AMAZING progress given the intentional obstruction he faced,,,,I believe that we were experiencing a fall into a DEEP pit very fast that under his presidency were eventually halted and reversed

I believe he reaches out internationally to make a difference, putting diplomacy first and not war,, which I personally am impressed with


,,,,,,that's long enough,,,,
haha I needed a good laugh, thank you

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Thu 03/05/15 06:37 PM



what cant be measured like 'friendship' and 'loyalty' will have to remain a matter of perception to disagree upon,,,


Of course they can be measured...Ever hear of brand loyalty, or customer loyalty, or donor loyalty just to name a few...

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Thu 03/05/15 06:52 PM




what cant be measured like 'friendship' and 'loyalty' will have to remain a matter of perception to disagree upon,,,


Of course they can be measured...Ever hear of brand loyalty, or customer loyalty, or donor loyalty just to name a few...


in those cases, they measure how many people continue to purchase an item

loyalty of a nation, is a different matter,,,there is no number to count,,,

msharmony's photo
Thu 03/05/15 06:53 PM


I did address on the first page some of the accomplishments under his presidency

,, I don't say he did them because Presidents don't personally have singular authority to do , on their own. The congress is the part of government that 'does' the most,,,,


,,,this is what I wrote on the first page:

and then perception is important, many major accomplishments being made UNDER HIS PRESIDENCY (notice I don't say 'by him' because presidents dont have singular power to effect such things)

are currently viewed as 'mistakes'

like accomplishment in healthcare with reform
accomplishment for LGBT with same sex marriage and repeal of dadt in the military
accommplishments for women with equal pay legislation
accomplishments for immigrants with immigration reform
unemployment coming back down to pre presidency rates
job gains coming back up
alternate energy sources increasing in development



and , in MY perception, he has faced opposition that is nearly unprecedented from what I have seen in my lifetime, , with congressmen actually making their mission to make sure he 'failed'
from day one, showing him disrespect FROM DAY ONE,, and on and on

I believe he has overseen AMAZING progress given the intentional obstruction he faced,,,,I believe that we were experiencing a fall into a DEEP pit very fast that under his presidency were eventually halted and reversed

I believe he reaches out internationally to make a difference, putting diplomacy first and not war,, which I personally am impressed with


,,,,,,that's long enough,,,,
haha I needed a good laugh, thank you



ditto

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Thu 03/05/15 06:59 PM
Edited by Dodo_David on Thu 03/05/15 07:03 PM


...wow bringing bill o reilly into the argument? who the hell cares what bill o reilly says, no one even watches his garbage anymore.


The ratings say the opposite.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/03/05/cable-news-ratings-for-wednesday-march-4-2015/371129/

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/tuesday-cable-ratings-oreilly-hits-yearly-high-amid-controversy/

Anyway, back to the original topic.

hmmm last time I checked his ratings were on a steady decline. I may be wrong, but im pretty sure hes nowhere near as popular as he used to be.


Again, the ratings say the opposite. Anyway, back to the original topic.

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Thu 03/05/15 07:04 PM



...wow bringing bill o reilly into the argument? who the hell cares what bill o reilly says, no one even watches his garbage anymore.


The ratings say the opposite.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/03/05/cable-news-ratings-for-wednesday-march-4-2015/371129/

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/tuesday-cable-ratings-oreilly-hits-yearly-high-amid-controversy/

Anyway, back to the original topic.

hmmm last time I checked his ratings were on a steady decline. I may be wrong, but im pretty sure hes nowhere near as popular as he used to be.


Again, the ratings say the opposite.
so his ratings as of today are as good as they were a couple of years ago? I thought they had steadily declined over the years.

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Thu 03/05/15 07:38 PM
Edited by Dodo_David on Thu 03/05/15 07:39 PM




...wow bringing bill o reilly into the argument? who the hell cares what bill o reilly says, no one even watches his garbage anymore.


The ratings say the opposite.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/03/05/cable-news-ratings-for-wednesday-march-4-2015/371129/

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/tuesday-cable-ratings-oreilly-hits-yearly-high-amid-controversy/

Anyway, back to the original topic.

hmmm last time I checked his ratings were on a steady decline. I may be wrong, but im pretty sure hes nowhere near as popular as he used to be.


Again, the ratings say the opposite.
so his ratings as of today are as good as they were a couple of years ago? I thought they had steadily declined over the years.


Average daily ratings fluctuate. I don't know what O'Reilly's peak is per year.
Still, his current ratings demonstrate that you were wrong when you claimed that nobody watches him anymore.

Anyway, we have gone off topic. So. let's get back to the original topic.

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Thu 03/05/15 08:09 PM



No surprise here as usual. Obozo fan club, party of one! And always room at the Sharpie table too!

Some just enjoy beating a dead horse and calling it "Speedy"!


and others love personal attacks when they lack logical debate skills




ummm... the name of this thead is "Criticizing the President", which i assume means say our criticizem of obarry.... which would not be in favor... why do you feel the need to "correct" people that just don't like him? you don't listen to us, we don't listen to you. what are you trying to gain by coming on this thread and talking how great and messiah like he is?

you know my thoughts on the liar in chief, you praise his lies...
there is nothing he can do wrong in your eyes, we get that...
just seems like you're spending a lot of effort to prove some of us wrong, when that can't be done...

keep trying, if there is a US/world left next year, maybe someone will take the POTUS job we both can like...

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Thu 03/05/15 08:32 PM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 03/05/15 08:33 PM




No surprise here as usual. Obozo fan club, party of one! And always room at the Sharpie table too!

Some just enjoy beating a dead horse and calling it "Speedy"!


and others love personal attacks when they lack logical debate skills




ummm... the name of this thead is "Criticizing the President", which i assume means say our criticizem of obarry.... which would not be in favor... why do you feel the need to "correct" people that just don't like him? you don't listen to us, we don't listen to you. what are you trying to gain by coming on this thread and talking how great and messiah like he is?

you know my thoughts on the liar in chief, you praise his lies...
there is nothing he can do wrong in your eyes, we get that...
just seems like you're spending a lot of effort to prove some of us wrong, when that can't be done...

keep trying, if there is a US/world left next year, maybe someone will take the POTUS job we both can like...



if there is a 'world' anymore,, wow,, drama much? lol

I haven't praised anything, I follow the flow of the posts and respond to them, that is the nature of a thread,,,,conversation,, it flows two ways and doesn't mandate one sided opinions,,


the complaint was that people cant complain without being labeled racist,, which is being proven untrue here,,lol

in fact is the one person who is not cosigning all the complaints that is being accused of some sort of 'racism'

my response was that people should and can complain, about the president, or about peoples complaining,, and that I wouldn't want it any other way

because I feel free to disagree with complainers just as much as they feel free to disagree with me, or the president, or anyone else

,,free discussion,, that's what I believe was the POINT of the thread


the idea that it only welcomed criticism is kind of interesting though...

says a lot about perception as well,,,,

mightymoe's photo
Thu 03/05/15 08:37 PM





No surprise here as usual. Obozo fan club, party of one! And always room at the Sharpie table too!

Some just enjoy beating a dead horse and calling it "Speedy"!


and others love personal attacks when they lack logical debate skills




ummm... the name of this thead is "Criticizing the President", which i assume means say our criticizem of obarry.... which would not be in favor... why do you feel the need to "correct" people that just don't like him? you don't listen to us, we don't listen to you. what are you trying to gain by coming on this thread and talking how great and messiah like he is?

you know my thoughts on the liar in chief, you praise his lies...
there is nothing he can do wrong in your eyes, we get that...
just seems like you're spending a lot of effort to prove some of us wrong, when that can't be done...

keep trying, if there is a US/world left next year, maybe someone will take the POTUS job we both can like...



if there is a 'world' anymore,, wow,, drama much? lol

I haven't praised anything, I follow the flow of the posts and respond to them, that is the nature of a thread,,,,conversation,, it flows two ways and doesn't mandate one sided opinions,,


the complaint was that people cant complain without being labeled racist,, which is being proven untrue here,,lol

in fact is the one person who is not cosigning all the complaints that is being accused of some sort of 'racism'

my response was that people should and can complain, about the president, or about peoples complaining,, and that I wouldn't want it any other way

because I feel free to disagree with complainers just as much as they feel free to disagree with me, or the president, or anyone else

,,free discussion,, that's what I believe was the POINT of the thread


the idea that it only welcomed criticism is kind of interesting though...

says a lot about perception as well,,,,


my point is that spend an awful lot of time trying to prove how great he is, and it does seem solely because he's black(kind of)
i just have a feeling if obarry would have been white or mexican, he might not have had the same backing from you...

msharmony's photo
Thu 03/05/15 08:43 PM






No surprise here as usual. Obozo fan club, party of one! And always room at the Sharpie table too!

Some just enjoy beating a dead horse and calling it "Speedy"!


and others love personal attacks when they lack logical debate skills




ummm... the name of this thead is "Criticizing the President", which i assume means say our criticizem of obarry.... which would not be in favor... why do you feel the need to "correct" people that just don't like him? you don't listen to us, we don't listen to you. what are you trying to gain by coming on this thread and talking how great and messiah like he is?

you know my thoughts on the liar in chief, you praise his lies...
there is nothing he can do wrong in your eyes, we get that...
just seems like you're spending a lot of effort to prove some of us wrong, when that can't be done...

keep trying, if there is a US/world left next year, maybe someone will take the POTUS job we both can like...



if there is a 'world' anymore,, wow,, drama much? lol

I haven't praised anything, I follow the flow of the posts and respond to them, that is the nature of a thread,,,,conversation,, it flows two ways and doesn't mandate one sided opinions,,


the complaint was that people cant complain without being labeled racist,, which is being proven untrue here,,lol

in fact is the one person who is not cosigning all the complaints that is being accused of some sort of 'racism'

my response was that people should and can complain, about the president, or about peoples complaining,, and that I wouldn't want it any other way

because I feel free to disagree with complainers just as much as they feel free to disagree with me, or the president, or anyone else

,,free discussion,, that's what I believe was the POINT of the thread


the idea that it only welcomed criticism is kind of interesting though...

says a lot about perception as well,,,,


my point is that spend an awful lot of time trying to prove how great he is, and it does seem solely because he's black(kind of)
i just have a feeling if obarry would have been white or mexican, he might not have had the same backing from you...


wrong again,, smh

I don't spend any more 'time' than any of the posters I am responding to,,,,

I haven't started this thread, I rarely start any of the threads
I participate by responding when someone else spends the 'time' to post,,

your perception of my reason is interesting,,,but not uncommon amongst the crowd here,,,

and , I am not now, nor have I ever supported a politician due to race

none of the six or seven presidential elections I voted in were decided by race,, and several of them actually had black candidates at some point in the race,,,,whom I didn't vote for

this is no different, I have just as 'sound' reasons to support this black president as I ever had to support all the white presidents I voted for before him

mightymoe's photo
Thu 03/05/15 08:50 PM







No surprise here as usual. Obozo fan club, party of one! And always room at the Sharpie table too!

Some just enjoy beating a dead horse and calling it "Speedy"!


and others love personal attacks when they lack logical debate skills




ummm... the name of this thead is "Criticizing the President", which i assume means say our criticizem of obarry.... which would not be in favor... why do you feel the need to "correct" people that just don't like him? you don't listen to us, we don't listen to you. what are you trying to gain by coming on this thread and talking how great and messiah like he is?

you know my thoughts on the liar in chief, you praise his lies...
there is nothing he can do wrong in your eyes, we get that...
just seems like you're spending a lot of effort to prove some of us wrong, when that can't be done...

keep trying, if there is a US/world left next year, maybe someone will take the POTUS job we both can like...



if there is a 'world' anymore,, wow,, drama much? lol

I haven't praised anything, I follow the flow of the posts and respond to them, that is the nature of a thread,,,,conversation,, it flows two ways and doesn't mandate one sided opinions,,


the complaint was that people cant complain without being labeled racist,, which is being proven untrue here,,lol

in fact is the one person who is not cosigning all the complaints that is being accused of some sort of 'racism'

my response was that people should and can complain, about the president, or about peoples complaining,, and that I wouldn't want it any other way

because I feel free to disagree with complainers just as much as they feel free to disagree with me, or the president, or anyone else

,,free discussion,, that's what I believe was the POINT of the thread


the idea that it only welcomed criticism is kind of interesting though...

says a lot about perception as well,,,,


my point is that spend an awful lot of time trying to prove how great he is, and it does seem solely because he's black(kind of)
i just have a feeling if obarry would have been white or mexican, he might not have had the same backing from you...


wrong again,, smh

I don't spend any more 'time' than any of the posters I am responding to,,,,

I haven't started this thread, I rarely start any of the threads
I participate by responding when someone else spends the 'time' to post,,

your perception of my reason is interesting,,,but not uncommon amongst the crowd here,,,

and , I am not now, nor have I ever supported a politician due to race

none of the six or seven presidential elections I voted in were decided by race,, and several of them actually had black candidates at some point in the race,,,,whom I didn't vote for

this is no different, I have just as 'sound' reasons to support this black president as I ever had to support all the white presidents I voted for before him

i see... i guess there's going to be this kind of talk, since he is the first black president...

but even i admit, the race calling has went down a lot, since more and more people are noticing that being a bad president has nothing to do with color...

msharmony's photo
Thu 03/05/15 08:52 PM
this kind of talk?

laugh

mightymoe's photo
Thu 03/05/15 08:54 PM

this kind of talk?

laugh


that kind, not this kind...

Dodo_David's photo
Thu 03/05/15 08:58 PM

i just have a feeling if obarry would have been white or mexican, he might not have had the same backing from you...


Moe, I suspect that you are wrong in this case.
Socialist-leaning people will support Obama no matter what his ethnicity is. :tongue:

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Thu 03/05/15 09:10 PM
With poverty at an all-time high, daunting black unemployment levels and Obamacare threatening black babies, black support for Barack Obama remains surprisingly strong.

Why?

Blacks are not uniformly as radical as Obama. So why do 91 percent of blacks still support him1 when only 79 percent of his Democrat constituency2 does?

It's a black thang.

Again, why?

Some say Obama's support comes from "black solidarity" — that birds of a feather flock together. That is racist in itself. After all, imagine if white voters similarly lined up in "racial solidarity." This is compounded by the facts.

Under George W. Bush, black unemployment was actually lower than during the Clinton years3 and much lower than the 16.3 percent it is today.4 Under Obama, black unemployment rose from 12.6 percent to 16.3 percent as of August 1, 2010.5

Despite promoting black upward mobility, Bush only enjoyed a black approval rating in the low 30s at a similar time in his presidency.6 Bush also made historic cabinet-level appointments of blacks and dramatically increased funding to fight AIDS in Africa. Much to Kanye West's chagrin, President Bush did care about black people.

Furthermore, after nearly two years of Obama's reckless spending, 43.6 million Americans (one in seven) live in poverty — a 51-year high.7 Blacks, who account for only 13 percent of the population, make up 22.6 percent of those now receiving food stamp benefits.8

And, after a promise there would be no federal abortion funding in Obamacare, tax dollars for abortions may be provided through high-risk insurance programs in Pennsylvania, New Mexico and Maryland.9

Polling shows blacks are overwhelmingly pro-life.10 We undoubtedly want jobs and freedom from poverty. So why the blind loyalty to someone who hasn't delivered?

When a constituency clearly provides loyal support, as blacks are to progressives, it begs to be taken for granted.

So is it any wonder that, after 50 years of conceding support to liberals and letting Uncle Sam be their "baby daddy," we are mired in an anti-empowerment culture of dependency?

Liberals can argue racism causes black stagnation, but is a 70 percent illegitimacy rate among blacks (90 percent in some inner cities) due to racism or a lack of accountability and personal responsibility? It's also a painful truth that blacks kill more blacks (by gun, unhealthy lifestyle and abortion) than racists could ever accomplish.

So-called "civil rights leaders," pseudo-intellectuals and liberal lawmakers must know this, yet they insist on pretending racism is more responsible for sluggish black advancement than behavior they foster.

It's time for a frank discussion about the folly of black Americans' monolithic support of liberalism. When 91 percent of any racial group votes one way, it's either out of racism or blind groupthink. Neither is good for America.

# # #

Jerome Hudson is a member of the national advisory council of the Project 21 black leadership network. His work has also appeared in Human Events. Comments may be sent to Project21@nationalcenter.org.

http://www.nationalcenter.org/P21NVHudsonBlackSupport91010.html

mightymoe's photo
Thu 03/05/15 09:12 PM


i just have a feeling if obarry would have been white or mexican, he might not have had the same backing from you...


Moe, I suspect that you are wrong in this case.
Socialist-leaning people will support Obama no matter what his ethnicity is. :tongue:

lol, truelaugh

msharmony's photo
Thu 03/05/15 09:17 PM
interesting opinion piece,,,

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Thu 03/05/15 09:19 PM

interesting opinion piece,,,


Thanks...loaded with facts too....:wink:

Dodo_David's photo
Thu 03/05/15 09:25 PM

With poverty at an all-time high, daunting black unemployment levels and Obamacare threatening black babies, black support for Barack Obama remains surprisingly strong.

Why?

Blacks are not uniformly as radical as Obama. So why do 91 percent of blacks still support him1 when only 79 percent of his Democrat constituency2 does?

It's a black thang.

Again, why?

Some say Obama's support comes from "black solidarity" — that birds of a feather flock together. That is racist in itself. After all, imagine if white voters similarly lined up in "racial solidarity." This is compounded by the facts.

Under George W. Bush, black unemployment was actually lower than during the Clinton years3 and much lower than the 16.3 percent it is today.4 Under Obama, black unemployment rose from 12.6 percent to 16.3 percent as of August 1, 2010.5

Despite promoting black upward mobility, Bush only enjoyed a black approval rating in the low 30s at a similar time in his presidency.6 Bush also made historic cabinet-level appointments of blacks and dramatically increased funding to fight AIDS in Africa. Much to Kanye West's chagrin, President Bush did care about black people.

Furthermore, after nearly two years of Obama's reckless spending, 43.6 million Americans (one in seven) live in poverty — a 51-year high.7 Blacks, who account for only 13 percent of the population, make up 22.6 percent of those now receiving food stamp benefits.8

And, after a promise there would be no federal abortion funding in Obamacare, tax dollars for abortions may be provided through high-risk insurance programs in Pennsylvania, New Mexico and Maryland.9

Polling shows blacks are overwhelmingly pro-life.10 We undoubtedly want jobs and freedom from poverty. So why the blind loyalty to someone who hasn't delivered?

When a constituency clearly provides loyal support, as blacks are to progressives, it begs to be taken for granted.

So is it any wonder that, after 50 years of conceding support to liberals and letting Uncle Sam be their "baby daddy," we are mired in an anti-empowerment culture of dependency?

Liberals can argue racism causes black stagnation, but is a 70 percent illegitimacy rate among blacks (90 percent in some inner cities) due to racism or a lack of accountability and personal responsibility? It's also a painful truth that blacks kill more blacks (by gun, unhealthy lifestyle and abortion) than racists could ever accomplish.

So-called "civil rights leaders," pseudo-intellectuals and liberal lawmakers must know this, yet they insist on pretending racism is more responsible for sluggish black advancement than behavior they foster.

It's time for a frank discussion about the folly of black Americans' monolithic support of liberalism. When 91 percent of any racial group votes one way, it's either out of racism or blind groupthink. Neither is good for America.

# # #

Jerome Hudson is a member of the national advisory council of the Project 21 black leadership network. His work has also appeared in Human Events. Comments may be sent to Project21@nationalcenter.org.

http://www.nationalcenter.org/P21NVHudsonBlackSupport91010.html


Being that some black American consider socialism to be a quick path to economic equality, it isn't surprising that they would constantly support politicians who favor socialist policies.