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Topic: Non-violence : what's your answer to this
Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Tue 07/15/14 03:07 AM
I believe I would try to disarm him the first time I was attacked, I fought, with just my hands, until he retreated the second time, I had no way to retreat, so I just tried not to escalate the situation one never knows until they are there, but for me, I hope , violence would be the very last thought or refuge,,, and dreamer, your faith is inspiring,, I am glad you were not harmed. Hope you are trained to do that! Even Experts tell you to keep your distance,and try to either get away,or disable the Assailant either temporarily or permanently! Trying to disarm an Attacker wielding a Knife,while you are unarmed,is foolhardy at best,and most of the time quite unhealthy! if their intent is to harm, not disarming them could be unhealthy if they plan to use it one way or the other, Id rather they be on the defensive than me,,, well,good luck disarming,next time someone ,who is hellbent on killing you,comes at you with a ten-inch Blade! During my weapons training eons ago (I'm not talking about the lightsaber here) we were told that we could use our marshal art skills (mandatory as part of training) to disarm a person with a non-gun weapon. When an attacker is armed with a gun, even the most skillful marshal arts master knows that the speed of his foot/fist is no match for the speed of a bullet. Good luck with a skilled Knife-Fighter!

maheshc163 Joined Wed 02/12/14 Posts: 82	Tue 07/15/14 09:27 AM
really it's very interesting. thanks to all people for sharing your views.:) Be cool

dreamerana Joined Sat 09/21/13 Posts: 21544	Tue 07/15/14 12:23 PM
I believe I would try to disarm him the first time I was attacked, I fought, with just my hands, until he retreated the second time, I had no way to retreat, so I just tried not to escalate the situation one never knows until they are there, but for me, I hope , violence would be the very last thought or refuge,,, and dreamer, your faith is inspiring,, I am glad you were not harmed. Thank you

dreamerana Joined Sat 09/21/13 Posts: 21544	Tue 07/15/14 12:26 PM
I honestly can't say until I'm actually confronted with the situation. Here's what I can tell you from a different situation. I have a friend who is very pro gun rights. Tried really hard to convince me I should start carrying one because I work in a really bad part of town. When I said no, he asked who will protect me. I told him God always has. One morning I arrived at work a little early and there was a man who was out of his mind and dangerous. Was standing by my car challenging me and shouting obscenities. I locked my doors and started praying that God would bring calm and this could be resolved peacefully. Less than a minute after I started praying, the man started to calm down and the security guard and a male coworker slowly approached to make sure he didn't attack me. He went away on his own and it all had a peaceful ending. wow...blind faith there methinks. Pretty sure an imaginary being didn't save you lol With all due respect, I've never found that God is imaginary. There have been many examples in my life where God has been there. I don't ask you to follow my beliefs, but I do ask you not to belittle them. Whatever has worked for you is great. God is what is and has always been in my life. pay no mind to what she said.belittling believers is how non-believers get their jollies off It is not about getting my 'jollies'. It just amazes me that people still believe in such utter nonsense. I get that children are still being brainwashed at an early age into believing in the ridiculous (even an average intelligence can work out that the notion of god is borderline lunacy) but when people attribute any event where the outcome is good as an act of god is quite frankly sad. Instead of thankign some imaginary being, why not just be proud of yourself for dealing with a situation? Why not thank a stroke of luck for some scenario playing out in your favour or just show the human race some respect in that we came to this point in our evolution without the invention of your stupid god. Let me tell you what god does in scenarios such as what the OP suggested. He does the exact same as Superman, Batman and Bug Bunny - Not affect the event due to an overall lack of existence! The funny thing is nobody has ever proven in any situation, that God doesn't exist. When my prayers have been answered, there is a clear sign that it is a result of God's divine intervention. As it echoes something that was directly worded in my prayer.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48948	Tue 07/15/14 05:42 PM Edited by Dodo_David on Tue 07/15/14 05:40 PM
OK, Folks, how about we get back to the original topic ... please! Being non-violent doesn't imply that one won't use force if necessary. Being non-violent means that one will seek to diffuse a hostile situation through non-violent means, that is if there is opportunity to do so. The OP of this thread presents a scenario in which there may be no such opportunity.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 07/15/14 05:44 PM
well put

no1phD Joined Tue 01/07/14 Posts: 27442	Tue 07/15/14 05:50 PM
SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND oh dang it ,I live in Canada!!. we're not allowed to have guns.. .. but they teach us how to run really fast in school.. and screaming while you're running, doesn't hurt...

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 07/15/14 05:54 PM
SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND oh dang it ,I live in Canada!!. we're not allowed to have guns.. .. but they teach us how to run really fast in school.. and screaming while you're running, doesn't hurt... I considered moving to Canada before. I just like the culture of those I have met from there.

no1phD Joined Tue 01/07/14 Posts: 27442	Tue 07/15/14 06:18 PM
well if you're ever back this way!! . I have a spare guest room.. with your name on it... I'll just put some flowers in it.. and it's all yours... . okay I'll have to take out all the.. naughty torture devices. first I guess.. but then it's all yours..

Whozurdaddy Joined Mon 03/24/14 Posts: 101	Tue 07/15/14 06:29 PM Edited by Whozurdaddy on Tue 07/15/14 06:28 PM
just think you're a follower of Non-violence, A burglar breaks into your house to hurt you and your family with a knife, There's a base-ball stick near you. what will you do????? To the OP, I'm going to dis-assemble this a bit but don't take it personal: A burglars intent is pretty much focused on those items which he can steal and fence; take them, they're all replaceable, no worries, take it all. A murderers intent is another thing all together. If it's a murderers game I'm going to have to non-violently part them/him out piece by piece. There's no need for violence, just pure motive driven self-defense of my family and my person.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 07/15/14 06:31 PM
well if you're ever back this way!! . I have a spare guest room.. with your name on it... I'll just put some flowers in it.. and it's all yours... . okay I'll have to take out all the.. naughty torture devices. first I guess.. but then it's all yours.. a spare guest room huh? and a masters quarters too I would bet...lol

MrWonderfll3000 Joined Sun 06/15/14 Posts: 41	Tue 07/15/14 06:51 PM
SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND oh dang it ,I live in Canada!!. we're not allowed to have guns.. .. but they teach us how to run really fast in school.. and screaming while you're running, doesn't hurt... I considered moving to Canada before. I just like the culture of those I have met from there. You're still welcome to do so.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 07/15/14 06:53 PM
ty, maybe one day,,,,

sweetestgirl11 Joined Fri 09/12/08 Posts: 30087	Tue 07/15/14 07:02 PM
>Topic started about hitting a burglar with a baseball bat >Ends up a religious debate I love you internet. Pretty much. ....but it would more likely be a hockey stick which I wield with amazing precision god does love hockey players :) even when they're girls I agree that self defense is warranted to get back on topic....

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Tue 07/15/14 07:30 PM
In many states, if you defend yourself from an armed attacker and only injure them, they can sue you. Death penalty for attacking me and/ or mine.

Thomas27 Joined Sun 10/21/07 Posts: 4860	Tue 07/15/14 07:55 PM
I would lay there silently still and naked, forever denying that I was violated while hanging around my buddies next time we were at the bar.... Sure as hell wouldn't confess to the Catholic priest either, he would probably start thinking his turn was next...

maheshc163 Joined Wed 02/12/14 Posts: 82	Wed 07/16/14 12:58 AM


vanaheim Joined Sun 12/29/13 Posts: 531	Wed 07/16/14 01:38 AM
Frantically escaping an attacker is just as violent in terms of activity as body slamming one. A peaceful person won't engage an attacker on their terms like a boxing or wrestling contest to determine a victor. But they will solve the problem to minimise the potential harm caused by an attacker, both to themselves and others. The difference is attitude, one enters a fight, the other just solves the problem. A problem solving attitude works better because you tend to be more creative in how you deal with attacker, and more effective. eg. when suddenly faced with a burglar the immediate problem is physical threat so you might want to get out of his line of sight as a first call in case he's armed with a firearm, instead of going directly to a gun cabinet and crossing his line of sight and being shot at. Then once out of his line of sight the next problem to solve is getting him out of your house, again something like a telephone and keeping out of his line of sight might work better for you than going for a gun cabinet if you have to cross his line of sight to get to it. Cop sirens are sure to get him out of your house. But if you can get to a gun cabinet without crossing his line of sight, or you've established he doesn't have a firearm, or if there are others in the house to protect immediately, it might be better to make a different play. The very same non-violent person would do any or all of these things. What a violent person would do however, is shriek with rage, go for any available weaponry immediately whether fists or guns, and rush the burglar shouting threats and rage. That's violence. And incidentally, that sort of violence is a perfectly typical intimidation routine any career criminal uses commonly. That's why they call them violent criminals. But they're solving a different kind of problem.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 07/16/14 01:45 AM
those are the what ifs that its just best not to face ,,, I have been assaulted twice, with no 'weapon' available and survived using my head for that situation,, the first time fighting and screaming because it was in an open place and the second cooperating and observing surroundings to figure out how to get away once the opportunity presented,,, in the moment it is hard to really engage in 'equal force' thinking, but I pretty much hold that material things are not worth someone's life, and I hope I would only use a weapon in reaction to a like weapon being introduced against my safety,,,, as someone said before, non violent rarely means that one is against becoming violent or aggressive, just that violence and aggression are not a first response or fix all for anything adverse that happens,,,

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Wed 07/16/14 05:15 AM Edited by willing2 on Wed 07/16/14 05:15 AM
Potential violence calls for using an upper hand. Assault against me or my family calls for standing my ground. Any means necessary. Don't call the cops. Call the Coroner.