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for in the realms above, the advanced being's did watch, once being previously human them self, and did yearn for humankind to evolve past the old ways and old days...
and did whisper into the ear's and hearts of the children's of earth... and some were afraid to heed, and others took heart... but the consensus of the love was growing more unanimous... for charities plume had come down... and the tunics of fig leaves of religion's, the courageous immortals living as but mortal for a spell did cast off... seaing they no longer needed to believe they needed a pastor, a prophet, a teacher, a leader, a priest, for their heart to know what was love, and what was not love... and the empires built upon the notions that humans needed "wise" scholars and books to instruct them in what was of god, of love, became obsolete and crumbled from being abandoned enmass... and many did sea the love of the gods had always been there, and accepted all of humankind as one, seaing the empires of religions had exploited the vulnerable fears of humankind and children led astray... by those who sought their own financial and personal gains, and had prospered the hate of others as unrighteous, as being of love and of gods the advanced beings... for many false voices had spread the insidious false notion that gods punish humans, and so many back then did first have fear in their hearts, spread by false prophets and false teachers... who had used writings to judge others as unrighteous to try to enrich and get them self FIRST into heaven's gates... but the chains of darkness were broken back in the those days long ago, back in the human mortal year of 2015... and humankind was freed, and no longer led by fooled and led by doctrines, and religions, and teachers, and prophets, and pastors, but rather each one by the light, the love, in each one their hearts. peace unto all. |
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David, hows things mate? Thought you'd left here, or something?
 
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David, hows things mate? Thought you'd left here, or something?
just been traveling... good and great to sea ya fine one peoples one world brother... absolutely smagzackely... getting everything ready for a book release and book tour... so hope all is supra excellent for this dear friend and precious soul... 
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Happy Robert Burns Day, Messy Tim!
I think Super Davidben1 has missed-out on our tribute to him.
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Happy Robert Burns Day, Messy Tim! I think Super Davidben1 has missed-out on our tribute to him.
Oh, don't worry super great shriek... no good tributes go unaccounted for. 
the grand tribute will be the extinctions of all religions. the rubbish burned in the trash. as it was indeed intended to be. |
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Sheik,you would have been much better off a christian than what you are right now.Just imagine the havocs,murders,beheadings,bombings,rape,kidnappings,atrocities and confusion that those who profess your religion carry out in nearly every countries of the world.Two weeks ago,they slaughtered over 2000 innocent souls.Among the victims was a pregnant woman in labour whose child was half out from her.Children,infants and elderly men were butchered mercilessly.The leader of boko haram islamic terrorists said he was obeying what quoran mandated him to do as a true uncompromising faithful. Little off topic though.But what a better world we would have had if that religion wasn't invented! Please remember, I was fundamentally raised a Christian of-sorts. Having been raised in a very strict Catholic home, my effort to find any other format of Christianity for the greater-half of my life has finally placed me here... As a Muslim. For me, Christendom's historical record is far worse over the past 17 hundred years. Granted, Islam as a prerequisite of faith from the Quran and its own admission of its use with the Bible, has only been around for a little more than 14 hundred years, it is still unsurpassed. The argument that a bunch of would-be Muslims who are largely using Hadiths as a primary source of all their decisions isn't an excuse to abandon True Islam. The fact of the matter is, I've never been happier or healthier or ever been without less explanation for countless subjects of a spiritual nature. It sure beats eating the Body-of-Christ, one day... Then having to eat Blood-Sausage, the next day. (Like When I Was A Catholic) |
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Edited by
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Okay Th3Dv8, You believe Jesus is the Almighty God, right? Please tell me 'who' is Jesus praying to in Luke 22: 42---> Now, if Jesus is God and according to the Trinity Doctrine, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are non-divisible, co-equal, and co-eternal, one in being with the other... Who is Jesus praying to? Remember, they're non-divisible and because they/he/it are the same Entity and must also be the same 'will.' What, is in the action of praying if Jesus is already God? Take Your time Th3Dv8, I don't need a long-winded distraction from this question, and I'm certain the rest of the Mingle readers would love to hear a concise answer as well. My opinion as with most thing jesus did was to show ppl acceptable worship to GOD , he said ' you must pray this way '----'father why have you forsaken me' etc in my opinion as i said before , he allthough looking like being 'abandoned' on the cross , one of the thiefs said ' if you are the son of God take yourself from the cross ' as did the Romans i think ... As with praying , i think it was as an example to the humans/people that saw him , sometimes seeing something happen is an easier way for ppl to learn ? There is question marks with the trinity doctrine i dont deny that , but Jesus utterly confirmed NOT denied he was GOD .... Jehovah's witnesses put the article (a) in ' in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was(a) God is not in the Original Greek and ALL Scholars agree it is a misinterpretation . Is GOD equal to Jesus ? To me the sriptures support it , they are three different beings allthough ONE , is it like my Son , who i can command to take care of business while im God with My Aurthority as the Romans did ? I Dont know and i dont get 'stuck' on it ... The text clearly says Jesus is GOD who became flesh in ALL translations , The Quran isnt a bible tranlsation ... In the end the bible says : ' and God loved the world so much that he let his son be put to death by his creation to save them ' Would you do that for someone that doesnt deserve it ? Jesus has ALL the Aurthority of GOD , he said I AM , the Jews knew excactly what he meant , as they said ' is it not GOD who can forgive sin and Not man ? Jesus forgave Sins and the jews hated him for both statements... Very Good Th3Dv8! So, You admit that the quote from John 1: 1 has been abrogated. You've actually encountered Jehovah's Witnesses with their Westcott & Hort Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures. Now, apart from 'how' the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society decided to translate this verse, did You bother to look at the actual Greek writing, itself? Yes, I know the J.W.s wrote 'a god'... But, did You bother to look at the actual Greek words? Okay Sport, here's were it gets interesting... When I was a teenager, I had a neighbor who was a J.W. and because I'd read this verse several times before already. I wanted to know how they'd translated it. That's when he showed me there was something different, but the actual revision they'd made bothered me, too. Years later, when I had moved to LaBroquerie, I met an old African missionary who had actually translated the original Greek texts into a local African tongue. I had to ask him... "Please, can You translate John 1 verse 1 from the original Greek?" He old Pastor went back to his book-shelf and brought back a Greek Bible. (NO ENGLISH) He started to read out loud, in Greek no less! He gave the commonly perceived translation, the way most Bibles in English usually have it written. But I said, "WAIT...! Why is the Greek word for 'God' written differently at the end of the verse from how it's written at the beginning of the verse??????" The old Pastor sighed... "Well, it's NOT really 'God' written here at the end of the verse." I pressed him yet... "Please, tell me how is it supposed to be perceived!" He replied, "Well... It's God's!" "You don't mean a plural of gods do You?" I replied. No, no, no, it's possessive. (And He Sighed Again) I thanked the old Pastor very much and said that this was a much-more tolerable translation of how it's commonly perceived. He laughed and said, "If this helps You to understand it better, then your welcome." So Th3Dv8, here's my next question... You obviously don't affiliate Yourself with the Catholic Church, right???? So why would You want to be so gung-ho about the Trinity Doctrine that was only fabricated in about 325 A.D.? Take Your time thinking about this... I'm not trying to trap You or humiliate You. I once thought just like You!!!!!!! Yes, for example, Jesus did say, "My Father and I are one." but he also said, 'Husband and Wife are made one, as well.' A husband and a wife, just because they get married, don't become the same Entity though, do they? In the greek there was no definate article , if there was it would be "The God" becuase there was no 'THE' they therefor say it has to be "A" in John 1:18 same chapter ::::: "No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known." There is NO definate article in between (seen) and (GOD) so on the same rule of these 'interpreters' the same Article "A" should be here also not whenever it suits them ... So according to You John 1:18 should read :- No one has ever seen (A) God, but the one and only Son, who is himself (A) God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. In the End what you are trying to do is put Jesus into the box as a prophet which is what iSlam believes ... To you , you think Allah is God i do not , you think jesus a Prophet , i do not ... To me it really doesnt matter if Jesus is GOD or the Son of God , God the creator of All is not the God of the Quran , sorry .... All biblical schollars know precisely that not article (A) is in the greek ....No Actual Greek schollars themselves would subscribe to this use of the text in John 1:1 Dr J:r, mantley an eminent Greek Schollar was quoted by the watchtower as endorsing their translation of John 1:1 , THAT is an outright lie . Quoting him " I have never read a translation that go's so far away from the original greek text , a shocking mistranslation obsolete and incorrect , biased and a deceptive distortion of scripture , dealing with the deity of CHRIST especially " , also they used johannes greber to 'help' with the translation , Joahannes greber is a spiritualist ?? Meaning he summoned demons to help with this translation , interesting ... Oh and btw i should know i studied with JW's for two years , and studied 20 translations to know what i was reading was a close to humanly possible to the Original text .... Your friend 'one' person who told you his translation is incorrect im afraid , you need to cross examine more than one , i have cross referenced 20 odd , you cannot take this one 'one' persons opinion ( I know what im talking about ) You by denying Christ as GOD and putting him as Prophet then allows you to discredit his claim of " NO-BODY comming to the father except through me " puts him as far as your concerned at the same level as your mohammud , and allow your Quran beleif of Allah , Allah is NOT the GOD of the bible , the two are opposed ... Again your Question isnt about the Deity of Christ it IS about wether he is mere prophet or GOD which makes the Quaran mute , thats the real reason ... Wether he is GOD or the Son of God or God as human who really cares from where i sit ? it matters alot froma muslim perspective tho doesnt it 
Another abrogated verse... John 1: 18 Here's a more accurate translation of that verse; "No man has seen God at any time. As for the only-begotten of God's, who is in the bosom-position of the Father, he has explained Him." (Isn't That Easy To Understand?) Remember, this old Pastor could read the Greek fluently, and I've since got a Greek Bible to see where all these abrogations are. It's also important to note, that the reference of 'only-begotten' and 'Father' are still only ever meant to be perceived as metaphorical. This debate is over 17 hundred years old, and the Bishop of Alexandria went back home, thinking as I do, and he was assassinated by those who were determined to enforce the Trinity Doctrine. I'm beginning to think that even You (Th3Dv8) can't fully condone the doctrine. So, why be so vehemently 'Catholic' about it? 
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HEY MIGHTMOE !!!!!!
All these huge graphics You've put on are screwing-up the width of the page. Please, see if You can 'edit-down.' |
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HEY MIGHTMOE !!!!!! All these huge graphics You've put on are screwing-up the width of the page. Please, see if You can 'edit-down.' is that better? |
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Yeah, thank You...
Crisis diverted ! |
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Yeah, thank You... Crisis diverted ! yea, some pics are big for people using phones/tablets... |
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I'm on a 9 inch Net Book myself.
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I'm on a 9 inch Net Book myself. yea, i don't use the mingle app, it's way harder to use, and leaves a bunch of things off... |
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Okay Th3Dv8, You believe Jesus is the Almighty God, right? Please tell me 'who' is Jesus praying to in Luke 22: 42---> Now, if Jesus is God and according to the Trinity Doctrine, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are non-divisible, co-equal, and co-eternal, one in being with the other... Who is Jesus praying to? Remember, they're non-divisible and because they/he/it are the same Entity and must also be the same 'will.' What, is in the action of praying if Jesus is already God? Take Your time Th3Dv8, I don't need a long-winded distraction from this question, and I'm certain the rest of the Mingle readers would love to hear a concise answer as well. My opinion as with most thing jesus did was to show ppl acceptable worship to GOD , he said ' you must pray this way '----'father why have you forsaken me' etc in my opinion as i said before , he allthough looking like being 'abandoned' on the cross , one of the thiefs said ' if you are the son of God take yourself from the cross ' as did the Romans i think ... As with praying , i think it was as an example to the humans/people that saw him , sometimes seeing something happen is an easier way for ppl to learn ? There is question marks with the trinity doctrine i dont deny that , but Jesus utterly confirmed NOT denied he was GOD .... Jehovah's witnesses put the article (a) in ' in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was(a) God is not in the Original Greek and ALL Scholars agree it is a misinterpretation . Is GOD equal to Jesus ? To me the sriptures support it , they are three different beings allthough ONE , is it like my Son , who i can command to take care of business while im God with My Aurthority as the Romans did ? I Dont know and i dont get 'stuck' on it ... The text clearly says Jesus is GOD who became flesh in ALL translations , The Quran isnt a bible tranlsation ... In the end the bible says : ' and God loved the world so much that he let his son be put to death by his creation to save them ' Would you do that for someone that doesnt deserve it ? Jesus has ALL the Aurthority of GOD , he said I AM , the Jews knew excactly what he meant , as they said ' is it not GOD who can forgive sin and Not man ? Jesus forgave Sins and the jews hated him for both statements... Very Good Th3Dv8! So, You admit that the quote from John 1: 1 has been abrogated. You've actually encountered Jehovah's Witnesses with their Westcott & Hort Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures. Now, apart from 'how' the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society decided to translate this verse, did You bother to look at the actual Greek writing, itself? Yes, I know the J.W.s wrote 'a god'... But, did You bother to look at the actual Greek words? Okay Sport, here's were it gets interesting... When I was a teenager, I had a neighbor who was a J.W. and because I'd read this verse several times before already. I wanted to know how they'd translated it. That's when he showed me there was something different, but the actual revision they'd made bothered me, too. Years later, when I had moved to LaBroquerie, I met an old African missionary who had actually translated the original Greek texts into a local African tongue. I had to ask him... "Please, can You translate John 1 verse 1 from the original Greek?" He old Pastor went back to his book-shelf and brought back a Greek Bible. (NO ENGLISH) He started to read out loud, in Greek no less! He gave the commonly perceived translation, the way most Bibles in English usually have it written. But I said, "WAIT...! Why is the Greek word for 'God' written differently at the end of the verse from how it's written at the beginning of the verse??????" The old Pastor sighed... "Well, it's NOT really 'God' written here at the end of the verse." I pressed him yet... "Please, tell me how is it supposed to be perceived!" He replied, "Well... It's God's!" "You don't mean a plural of gods do You?" I replied. No, no, no, it's possessive. (And He Sighed Again) I thanked the old Pastor very much and said that this was a much-more tolerable translation of how it's commonly perceived. He laughed and said, "If this helps You to understand it better, then your welcome." So Th3Dv8, here's my next question... You obviously don't affiliate Yourself with the Catholic Church, right???? So why would You want to be so gung-ho about the Trinity Doctrine that was only fabricated in about 325 A.D.? Take Your time thinking about this... I'm not trying to trap You or humiliate You. I once thought just like You!!!!!!! Yes, for example, Jesus did say, "My Father and I are one." but he also said, 'Husband and Wife are made one, as well.' A husband and a wife, just because they get married, don't become the same Entity though, do they? In the greek there was no definate article , if there was it would be "The God" becuase there was no 'THE' they therefor say it has to be "A" in John 1:18 same chapter ::::: "No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known." There is NO definate article in between (seen) and (GOD) so on the same rule of these 'interpreters' the same Article "A" should be here also not whenever it suits them ... So according to You John 1:18 should read :- No one has ever seen (A) God, but the one and only Son, who is himself (A) God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. In the End what you are trying to do is put Jesus into the box as a prophet which is what iSlam believes ... To you , you think Allah is God i do not , you think jesus a Prophet , i do not ... To me it really doesnt matter if Jesus is GOD or the Son of God , God the creator of All is not the God of the Quran , sorry .... All biblical schollars know precisely that not article (A) is in the greek ....No Actual Greek schollars themselves would subscribe to this use of the text in John 1:1 Dr J:r, mantley an eminent Greek Schollar was quoted by the watchtower as endorsing their translation of John 1:1 , THAT is an outright lie . Quoting him " I have never read a translation that go's so far away from the original greek text , a shocking mistranslation obsolete and incorrect , biased and a deceptive distortion of scripture , dealing with the deity of CHRIST especially " , also they used johannes greber to 'help' with the translation , Joahannes greber is a spiritualist ?? Meaning he summoned demons to help with this translation , interesting ... Oh and btw i should know i studied with JW's for two years , and studied 20 translations to know what i was reading was a close to humanly possible to the Original text .... Your friend 'one' person who told you his translation is incorrect im afraid , you need to cross examine more than one , i have cross referenced 20 odd , you cannot take this one 'one' persons opinion ( I know what im talking about ) You by denying Christ as GOD and putting him as Prophet then allows you to discredit his claim of " NO-BODY comming to the father except through me " puts him as far as your concerned at the same level as your mohammud , and allow your Quran beleif of Allah , Allah is NOT the GOD of the bible , the two are opposed ... Again your Question isnt about the Deity of Christ it IS about wether he is mere prophet or GOD which makes the Quaran mute , thats the real reason ... Wether he is GOD or the Son of God or God as human who really cares from where i sit ? it matters alot froma muslim perspective tho doesnt it
Another abrogated verse... John 1: 18 Here's a more accurate translation of that verse; "No man has seen God at any time. As for the only-begotten of God's, who is in the bosom-position of the Father, he has explained Him." (Isn't That Easy To Understand?) Remember, this old Pastor could read the Greek fluently, and I've since got a Greek Bible to see where all these abrogations are. It's also important to note, that the reference of 'only-begotten' and 'Father' are still only ever meant to be perceived as metaphorical. This debate is over 17 hundred years old, and the Bishop of Alexandria went back home, thinking as I do, and he was assassinated by those who were determined to enforce the Trinity Doctrine. I'm beginning to think that even You (Th3Dv8) can't fully condone the doctrine. So, why be so vehemently 'Catholic' about it?
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