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Topic: Scientific Quadriplegism Of Atheism
mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Thu 01/22/15 04:27 PM
While the Virgin Mary was a servant of the True God, God doesn't expect You to worship her. That would be counter-productive. Mary is a creation of God, like You or I, and worshiping the creation rather than the Creator would be a malediction. yes, another contradiction in the bible... so what does that make Jesus? a human thats a god? have you watched the "Da Vinci Code" with tom hanks yet? i watched it last night for the first time, kinda goes along with we are discussing... Mistaken moe , how is that a contradiction , mary is hardly mentioned in the bible , nothing of note . it is the Roman Catholic church that worship mother mary that is nothing to do with the bible , they are the biggest hypocritical religion on the planet ... You,d be well advised to not look to them as christian they are pure paganism .. the contradiction is you worship Jesus... he was just as human as me or you... No contradiction , he was GOD , ' if you,ve seen me you have seen the father also ' your blinded by your faith...

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Thu 01/22/15 04:37 PM
Th3Dv8, isn't blinded by faith... It's the assumption that he's correct. It's more like blinded by arrogance.

Th3Dv8 Joined Sun 09/29/13 Posts: 142	Thu 01/22/15 04:38 PM
Yes, Th3Dv8 worships Jesus because he's under the assumption that he was God-Incarnate. The Quran says there are two different types of Christians. Those who say Jesus is Allah and often worship Jesus along with Holy Mary and a host of Saints. Many think it's okay to use statues in their worship as well. These ones, have no hope of salvation unless they repent before the Angel of Death takes them. On the other hand, there are those who call themselves Christians that worship the Almighty who is unseen, as they ought. They do not worship any other entities in degradation to the Creator, and upon these ones there will be no fear on Judgment Day. Yes, Mightymoe, it is as You said it yesterday, 'They're breaking the very first of the Ten Commandments... Thou shalt have no other gods before me sayeth the LORD.' The commandments say 'tho shalt not kill ' Allah and the quran says ' 'beheaded the unbelievers ' He is NOT the God of Abraham , sry , dont mean to offend ... 'Tho shalt not have no other gods before me ' ? Obviously this is semantics ? The Caanantites were worshing , baal , asherah , ashterah , the list go's on . Anybody that know the bible knows , worshiping Jesus is Not a contradiction , when the bible says these 'three' are one and ' if you,ve seen the son you have seen the father ' The early jews (of christs time) were in no doubt what jesus claimed 'They were going to stone jesus for healing and good works . Jesus said :- John 10:33 "We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." with the many scriptures i put up before it is clear jesus was GOd the Son , then theirs God the father and God the holy spirit ..... Jesus walking with his apostles started unravelling ALL of history to them , which astounded them ... And of course God revealed himself to moses as I AM . And jesus said before Abraham was I AM .

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Thu 01/22/15 04:40 PM
Th3Dv8, isn't blinded by faith... It's the assumption that he's correct. It's more like blinded by arrogance. i nominate Clint Eastwood to a god status, he seems perfect for a god..

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Thu 01/22/15 05:01 PM
Okay Th3Dv8, You believe Jesus is the Almighty God, right? Please tell me 'who' is Jesus praying to in Luke 22: 42---> Now, if Jesus is God and according to the Trinity Doctrine, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are non-divisible, co-equal, and co-eternal, one in being with the other... Who is Jesus praying to? Remember, they're non-divisible and because they/he/it are the same Entity and must also be the same 'will.' What, is in the action of praying if Jesus is already God? Take Your time Th3Dv8, I don't need a long-winded distraction from this question, and I'm certain the rest of the Mingle readers would love to hear a concise answer as well.

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Thu 01/22/15 05:05 PM
Okay Th3Dv8, You believe Jesus is the Almighty God, right? Please tell me 'who' is Jesus praying to in Luke 22: 42---> Now, if Jesus is God and according to the Trinity Doctrine, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are non-divisible, co-equal, and co-eternal, one in being with the other... Who is Jesus praying to? Remember, they're non-divisible and because they/he/it are the same Entity and must also be the same 'will.' What, is in the action of praying if Jesus is already God? Take Your time Th3Dv8, I don't need a long-winded distraction from this question, and I'm certain the rest of the Mingle readers would love to hear a concise answer as well. maybe he was "praying" with himself... you know, behind the curtains, away from everyone else...

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Thu 01/22/15 05:06 PM
Apparently, in the following verse after 42... An Angel comes to encourage Jesus (Your God) So, God needs encouragement to follow-thru? (Lame)

messi_is_a_tim_1888 Joined Fri 11/28/14 Posts: 3309	Thu 01/22/15 05:15 PM
Okay Th3Dv8, You believe Jesus is the Almighty God, right? Please tell me 'who' is Jesus praying to in Luke 22: 42---> Now, if Jesus is God and according to the Trinity Doctrine, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are non-divisible, co-equal, and co-eternal, one in being with the other... Who is Jesus praying to? Remember, they're non-divisible and because they/he/it are the same Entity and must also be the same 'will.' What, is in the action of praying if Jesus is already God? Take Your time Th3Dv8, I don't need a long-winded distraction from this question, and I'm certain the rest of the Mingle readers would love to hear a concise answer as well. maybe he was "praying" with himself... you know, behind the curtains, away from everyone else... Aye wae an altarboy for company i bet?

SpicyExcel Joined Wed 10/31/12 Posts: 1622	Thu 01/22/15 05:20 PM
Apparently, in the following verse after 42... An Angel comes to encourage Jesus (Your God) So, God needs encouragement to follow-thru? (Lame) A quick question. If the writings were interpreted correctly, and Jesus is the son of "God", and spoke with God himself, why would Jesus need an angle to encuorage him?

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Thu 01/22/15 05:22 PM
Okay Th3Dv8, You believe Jesus is the Almighty God, right? Please tell me 'who' is Jesus praying to in Luke 22: 42---> Now, if Jesus is God and according to the Trinity Doctrine, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are non-divisible, co-equal, and co-eternal, one in being with the other... Who is Jesus praying to? Remember, they're non-divisible and because they/he/it are the same Entity and must also be the same 'will.' What, is in the action of praying if Jesus is already God? Take Your time Th3Dv8, I don't need a long-winded distraction from this question, and I'm certain the rest of the Mingle readers would love to hear a concise answer as well. maybe he was "praying" with himself... you know, behind the curtains, away from everyone else... Aye wae an altarboy for company i bet? seems like they come in handy, to some priests...

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Thu 01/22/15 05:25 PM
Aye Tim, I was an Altar Boy for years, and endured the full 8 years of Catechism. So, Nobody better try to tell me what the bloody Holy Trinity is supposed to be.

SpicyExcel Joined Wed 10/31/12 Posts: 1622	Thu 01/22/15 05:29 PM
Aye Tim, I was an Altar Boy for years, and endured the full 8 years of Catechism. So, Nobody better try to tell me what the bloody Holy Trinity is supposed to be. You did not answer my question

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Thu 01/22/15 05:40 PM
Apparently, in the following verse after 42... An Angel comes to encourage Jesus (Your God) So, God needs encouragement to follow-thru? (Lame) A quick question. If the writings were interpreted correctly, and Jesus is the son of "God", and spoke with God himself, why would Jesus need an angle to encuorage him? This question is easy to answer. Firstly, Jesus was first created by the Almighty God in the spirit-realm. He (Jesus) being the first-born (metaphorically) of creation was already very familiar with the Angelic creatures that accompanied him there. But, went Jesus was sent to Earth to be like Mankind, he had to give-up his spiritual form. Jesus knew it was only a question of time before he'd have to return to the spirit-realm and a physical death would have to precede his return. His having an Angel come and reveal itself was just a brief review of what he'd already been familiar with.

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Thu 01/22/15 05:49 PM
Okay SpicyExcel, I hope that was an acceptable answer. Let's see if Th3Dv8 can follow thru. I just want the one question answered, without a whole lot of distraction.

SpicyExcel Joined Wed 10/31/12 Posts: 1622	Thu 01/22/15 05:49 PM Edited by SpicyExcel on Thu 01/22/15 05:51 PM
Apparently, in the following verse after 42... An Angel comes to encourage Jesus (Your God) So, God needs encouragement to follow-thru? (Lame) A quick question. If the writings were interpreted correctly, and Jesus is the son of "God", and spoke with God himself, why would Jesus need an angle to encuorage him? This question is easy to answer. Firstly, Jesus was first created by the Almighty God in the spirit-realm. He (Jesus) being the first-born (metaphorically) of creation was already very familiar with the Angelic creatures that accompanied him there. But, went Jesus was sent to Earth to be like Mankind, he had to give-up his spiritual form. Jesus knew it was only a question of time before he'd have to return to the spirit-realm and a physical death would have to precede his return. His having an Angel come and reveal itself was just a brief review of what he'd already been familiar with. Your answer to my question then make's other arguements (debat) viable in there personal conclusion. So you believe Jesus came from the heavens, while other's believe he was born on earth (Either one is OK with me.). You still did not answer, why he needed an angle to encourage him, since he was the son of God or an angle himself of God; if the writings' were interpreted correctly?

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Thu 01/22/15 06:06 PM
The Quran says Jesus came into being the same way as Adam... The Almighty God merely said, 'Be' and they came to be. Now remember, Jesus was still in the spirit-realm during this event and he continues to live in that realm until his physical birth through a virgin by the name of Mary. Yes, even the Quran confirms that Mary was untouched by any man. The physical death that he was about to endure was one that he'd have to endure as any other man and was well known as being very horrible. But, he did so in behalf of his Creators will. Jesus said, "Do not be fearful of those who can kill the body, but can not kill the Soul." So, why is it so hard to believe an Angel came to offer encouragement to him?

SpicyExcel Joined Wed 10/31/12 Posts: 1622	Thu 01/22/15 06:18 PM
The Quran says Jesus came into being the same way as Adam... The Almighty God merely said, 'Be' and they came to be. Now remember, Jesus was still in the spirit-realm during this event and he continues to live in that realm until his physical birth through a virgin by the name of Mary. Yes, even the Quran confirms that Mary was untouched by any man. The physical death that he was about to endure was one that he'd have to endure as any other man and was well known as being very horrible. But, he did so in behalf of his Creators will. Jesus said, "Do not be fearful of those who can kill the body, but can not kill the Soul." So, why is it so hard to believe an Angel came to offer encouragement to him? The first - three sentences' - of you answer is the same as the Cathlic faith. So neither of you disagree upon the creation of Jesus; from how you just explained it. The next two sentences are also the same as the Cathlic belief. [My two above reply to your answer there may be very small modist differences between the two faith systems, but not to cause the dislike each share with each other.] YOUR last sentence condtradics why I asked you the original question. QUOTE "...So, God needs encouragement to follow-thru? (Lame) ..." YOU SAID

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Thu 01/22/15 06:42 PM
The Quran says Jesus came into being the same way as Adam... The Almighty God merely said, 'Be' and they came to be. Now remember, Jesus was still in the spirit-realm during this event and he continues to live in that realm until his physical birth through a virgin by the name of Mary. Yes, even the Quran confirms that Mary was untouched by any man. The physical death that he was about to endure was one that he'd have to endure as any other man and was well known as being very horrible. But, he did so in behalf of his Creators will. Jesus said, "Do not be fearful of those who can kill the body, but can not kill the Soul." So, why is it so hard to believe an Angel came to offer encouragement to him? The first - three sentences' - of you answer is the same as the Cathlic faith. So neither of you disagree upon the creation of Jesus; from how you just explained it. The next two sentences are also the same as the Cathlic belief. [My two above reply to your answer there may be very small modist differences between the two faith systems, but not to cause the dislike each share with each other.] YOUR last sentence condtradics why I asked you the original question. QUOTE "...So, God needs encouragement to follow-thru? (Lame) ..." YOU SAID What's not to understand...? I've expressed the doctrine of the Trinity and the contradictions with it for Th3Dv8 to have to deal with. Then I've conveyed the understanding of the Muslim community in contrast to the Church's. Once more, God Almighty who always was and always will be, created Jesus in the spirit-realm before all the rest of creation. The Almighty merely commanded the Soul, that is Jesus, into existence. (Jesus, Had Existed As A Spirit Before He Was Born From A Woman) The Almighty merely commanded the Soul, that was Adam, into existence. (Adam Wasn't Born From A Woman) You've missed the point entirely, Muslims don't believe Jesus is God. It's the Trinitarian Christians that do.

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Thu 01/22/15 06:56 PM
Okay Th3Dv8, You believe Jesus is the Almighty God, right? Please tell me 'who' is Jesus praying to in Luke 22: 42---> Now, if Jesus is God and according to the Trinity Doctrine, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are non-divisible, co-equal, and co-eternal, one in being with the other... Who is Jesus praying to? Remember, they're non-divisible and because they/he/it are the same Entity and must also be the same 'will.' What, is in the action of praying if Jesus is already God? Take Your time Th3Dv8, I don't need a long-winded distraction from this question, and I'm certain the rest of the Mingle readers would love to hear a concise answer as well. To whom it may concern, The earliest portion of this, is what Christendom is supposed to believe, but is NOT the beliefs of the Muslim community.

SpicyExcel Joined Wed 10/31/12 Posts: 1622	Thu 01/22/15 07:02 PM
The Quran says Jesus came into being the same way as Adam... The Almighty God merely said, 'Be' and they came to be. Now remember, Jesus was still in the spirit-realm during this event and he continues to live in that realm until his physical birth through a virgin by the name of Mary. Yes, even the Quran confirms that Mary was untouched by any man. The physical death that he was about to endure was one that he'd have to endure as any other man and was well known as being very horrible. But, he did so in behalf of his Creators will. Jesus said, "Do not be fearful of those who can kill the body, but can not kill the Soul." So, why is it so hard to believe an Angel came to offer encouragement to him? The first - three sentences' - of you answer is the same as the Cathlic faith. So neither of you disagree upon the creation of Jesus; from how you just explained it. The next two sentences are also the same as the Cathlic belief. [My two above reply to your answer there may be very small modist differences between the two faith systems, but not to cause the dislike each share with each other.] YOUR last sentence condtradics why I asked you the original question. QUOTE "...So, God needs encouragement to follow-thru? (Lame) ..." YOU SAID What's not to understand...? I've expressed the doctrine of the Trinity and the contradictions with it for Th3Dv8 to have to deal with. Then I've conveyed the understanding of the Muslim community in contrast to the Church's. Once more, God Almighty who always was and always will be, created Jesus in the spirit-realm before all the rest of creation. The Almighty merely commanded the Soul, that is Jesus, into existence. (Jesus, Had Existed As A Spirit Before He Was Born From A Woman) The Almighty merely commanded the Soul, that was Adam, into existence. (Adam Wasn't Born From A Woman) You've missed the point entirely, Muslims don't believe Jesus is God. It's the Trinitarian Christians that do. You need to remember I am on niether side. Personally I believe both sides are correct about things and both sides are wrong. Both sides do share similar views on certain topics. So your saying Jesus was created before earth and remained in the spirit releam for and indefinite period of time. Jesus was selected from all other spirits that exsited then and now, with this number of spirits never changing. He was born from a woman both sides agree upon. Both sides agree upon how Mary came to conceive Jesus, by a spirit. I was not talking about Adam and Adam passed on, because he disobeied God. Both side agree to this also, I believe. The Christian faith does not believe Jesus is God, but was born (of) God. That is fact. Anyone tells you different is shovelling a line. Remember I am not against either side in believing what faith system they have chosen to follow.