I have seen over the years that some folks will pass over the stable, decent, loving potential partner for the exciting, romantic, or maybe popular potential partner and it is not so much about what they are catching but how they are being chased that makes them chose one over the other.

Maybe it is because relationships have gotten so disposable and people think if they aren't happy they will just get out of it via an "easy no-fault" divorce and the real Prince(ss) will magically appear but it rarely works that way.

I can't tell you the number of times over the years I have had men,generally nice guys, tell me their "sob story's" and I am thinking in the back of my mind "Gheez Dude" why didn't you stop getting brain fog because you got a little T&A and see how you are being treated? Which was usually like and ATM with Hair and not a thank you or any respect pass the hair in their ears. The guy time and again made a door mat out of himself; let the "Bimbo" dictate where they were going, what they did, and even how he was to do her and he lapped it up like a kitten with a bowl of cream. And it wasn't until he either ran our of money or she found a fatter mouse to chew up that he even had a clue he was on a sinking ship.

And while they are setting there boohooing to the friend, to the traditional old school woman, who is three time the woman they can't see what is right in front of them. But have some guy come along and start dating me they are like oh snap you didn't give me a nod. Well Duh!!!

Heard this so many times too

I am not saying this as a shot towards anyone male or female but I do think that a lot of people need some training about dating and relationships.

Seems like a lot of people are making mistakes that seem based in just not knowing how to date.

There are all sorts of Christians my friend. Some of them are chapter and verse fundamentalists and some of them just try to follow Christ's teachings. Now, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think that Christ wrote those letters to the Corinthians, or the book of Revelation, for that matter, despite what my born again uncle might say.

not all women is the same....don't give up, you'll gonna find the right one for you soooon.......

Well, it's like this. I had a date with a woman the other week and I got on pretty well with her I thought. We had plenty of things to talk about but at the end of the night she told me that she thought that I was a really interesting person but no way would it ever be more than that. She thought that I was a nice guy and she even trusted me enough to come back to my place after a few drinks in a pub. I don't think that she would have done that if she hadn't been up for it and she made no bones about what it was that she was looking for.

I'll tell you why I didn't nail her. I didn't even try. I didn't act like the rogue or "bad boy" and I didn't try to make a move on her. I guess that it threw me a bit that she was flat chested and I couldn't tell her that I wanted her to take her top off.

I'm confused, you say she went back to your place because she was up to screw you, but then she didn't, because you're interesting and nice, but nothing more than that. And then you wouldn't bang her because she was flat chested, yet you wanted to see her non-existent boobs? I really don't get it.....

Alright, I'll explain it to you.

It was a date. She was looking for a guy for a sexual relationship. We had a few drinks in a pub and then she wanted to come back to my place. She didn't actually say that she was going to have sex with me but they rarely do. We had a nice chat but I'm used to curvy women and this one didn't have any. I seem to recall telling you a story about another one that said that she had to meet me to know and I had said that I needed to see her boobs to know.

So anyway, I was telling an ex of mine about that date the other week and I said to her that the date hadn't really worked out because I hadn't expressed any interest in her breasts because she didn't have any. My ex said that's not how you score with women and I replied, "Well, it worked with you, didn't it?"

Just saying. Being nice is all very well but if you aren't going to get a bit naughty you're going to end up whining about how women don't go for nice guys.

Based on several decades of being the "bad boy" or "rogue" (not intentionally, just being non-conformist and irreverent -- and therefore at odds with mainstream society), it appears as though SOME women (perhaps a minority) prefer those characteristics – at least for the short-term. They may think they can "change him" or "take off the rough edges" and become disappointed upon discovering they cannot.

More "sensible" or traditional women may be intrigued but not interested in pursuing a relationship. A rare unconventional "outside the box" woman might make a good partner.

You're not the only one confused but I also can't say how well the "take your top off" works, because normally that's not where I start....but to each their own. If a woman comes back to my place(even after they tell me that we will only ever be "friends") I'll still try to at least kiss them maybe some petting and hopefully more, if she still shuts me down...then she can go home, generally when I am out, I am not looking another friend.....yeah may sound like an a-hole move...but I think her trying to take advantage of a 'nice guy' is a bigger a-hole move and I don't feel sorry for offering A. Either my bed with me, or B. Her bed without me.... couch is reserved for my drunk male friends who don't have a ride home.

I get why the sex didn't happen, I just don't understand why the date ended the way it did. I can tell within a few seconds of meeting a guy whether or not I want to sleep with him, and if I realized he wasn't my type, I might be polite enough to follow through with the date, but there's no way in hell I'm going back to his place, because that usually implies an understanding of "something more is going to happen." And if I don't think a guy is hot, there is no way anything more is going to happen. Just seems like a lot of mixed signals to me.

Oh, I've had lots of women round here that I didn't f**k. I'm not that pushy about it. It took weeks of one of my girlfriends coming round for coffee before I got her into bed.

That woman was wavering and I just didn't make a move on her, like I said. Didn't even lead her to believe that I fancied her.

Chemistry, in my opinion, isn't something that magically happens. A woman either wants to seduce or be seduced. There's got to be some sort of a come on. I've even had women telling me that they wanted to spend the weekend with me and still saying that they weren't promising me sex and that we would just see how it goes. It's not like I'm paying for it. It doesn't matter how hot a woman thinks that I am. If I don't get her in the mood somehow, sex isn't happening.

Here is the main problem....If all ur thinking about Is getting laid before and during the date... you need to freaking grow up lol

Hey, some people date because they want an orgasm, not a relationship.

And most of the ones wanting relationships want orgasm too.

And I don't have your problem my girlfriends want to get laid.

And some people can get an orgasm on their own.

Some people find it useful to jerkoff before they go out on that date so their heads are clear. I bet punching yourself in the balls wold work just as well. lol

but going to the 'movies' by yourself(even though it can be fun) eventually gets boring....

"Jerkoff, then think about it." -Joe Rogan