Topic: Hindu , musalman , christion are same .
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Wed 10/09/13 11:53 PM
Please dear get a dictionary or an encyclopedia and look for the meaning of occultism, after that ask that, let us know whether you would still stand on that you proposition.

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Sun 10/20/13 11:53 AM


Others are mere religion,christianity isnt
you might want to look up the definition of Religion!

According to Oxford
re-li-gion n. the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods:

details of belief as taught or discussed.

When I became a Christian I lost my religion. I traded it for a relationship with God the Father through His Son Jesus. As a Christian I have the right to call God, Pop, or Dad. That is what Jesus told us when He called Him Abba. Servants called the master Father but only children were allowed to use the term Abba. It is still in use today in Hebrew speaking groups.

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Sun 10/20/13 12:05 PM



Others are mere religion,christianity isnt
you might want to look up the definition of Religion!

According to Oxford
re-li-gion n. the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods:

details of belief as taught or discussed.

When I became a Christian I lost my religion. I traded it for a relationship with God the Father through His Son Jesus. As a Christian I have the right to call God, Pop, or Dad. That is what Jesus told us when He called Him Abba. Servants called the master Father but only children were allowed to use the term Abba. It is still in use today in Hebrew speaking groups.


Concerning this statement:
"When I became a Christian I lost my religion."

That makes no logical sense, since you must "believe in Jesus," (a character that cannot be proven to have even existed.) and so you have to believe in him. You also "worship" him. You also believe him to be God, a superhuman power. This is belief in a character you have never met in person. Hence, THIS IS YOUR RELIGION. To claim that you lost your religion makes no sense. It just means that your religion is a personal one.



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Sun 10/20/13 12:08 PM

Please dear get a dictionary or an encyclopedia and look for the meaning of occultism, after that ask that, let us know whether you would still stand on that you proposition.


supernatural, mystical, or magical beliefs, practices or phenomena.

To be fair, as Chritians we will use the term in the wrong way too frequently. It can be confused with cultism like the Hari Chrishnas, or Jim Jones.

I have, personally, witnessed a true miracle. A healing that could not be expained by any doctor. A friend was dying of multiple system failures, Cardiac, liver, lungs, brain etc. Could not walk and was confined to a wheelchair on oxygen. He was prayed over and had hands laid on him and he got up and ran across the front of the church. 3 months later he went on a white water rafting trip with the men of the church. He passed away 2 1/2 years later. His cardiologist would not believe the trip until she was shown a picture of him in a raft on the river, in the rapids. This was someone in the advanced stages of CHF, Parkinsons, diabetes, and emphysema. His doctors gave him a few weeks to live.

Supernatural, yes. Mysticism, no. Magic, no. God, yes.

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Sun 10/20/13 12:16 PM


Please dear get a dictionary or an encyclopedia and look for the meaning of occultism, after that ask that, let us know whether you would still stand on that you proposition.


supernatural, mystical, or magical beliefs, practices or phenomena.

To be fair, as Chritians we will use the term in the wrong way too frequently. It can be confused with cultism like the Hari Chrishnas, or Jim Jones.

I have, personally, witnessed a true miracle. A healing that could not be expained by any doctor. A friend was dying of multiple system failures, Cardiac, liver, lungs, brain etc. Could not walk and was confined to a wheelchair on oxygen. He was prayed over and had hands laid on him and he got up and ran across the front of the church. 3 months later he went on a white water rafting trip with the men of the church. He passed away 2 1/2 years later. His cardiologist would not believe the trip until she was shown a picture of him in a raft on the river, in the rapids. This was someone in the advanced stages of CHF, Parkinsons, diabetes, and emphysema. His doctors gave him a few weeks to live.

Supernatural, yes. Mysticism, no. Magic, no. God, yes.


Here is the truth.

Healing and miracles that are not "Christian based" are called occult.

The bottom line is, Christianity believes in magic and miracles but if credit is not given to their Christian God, then they claim that the Devil is behind it.

Christians don't want anyone to wield or lay claim to magic except them and their God.


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Tue 10/22/13 02:40 PM


Please dear get a dictionary or an encyclopedia and look for the meaning of occultism, after that ask that, let us know whether you would still stand on that you proposition.


supernatural, mystical, or magical beliefs, practices or phenomena.

To be fair, as Chritians we will use the term in the wrong way too frequently. It can be confused with cultism like the Hari Chrishnas, or Jim Jones.

I have, personally, witnessed a true miracle. A healing that could not be expained by any doctor. A friend was dying of multiple system failures, Cardiac, liver, lungs, brain etc. Could not walk and was confined to a wheelchair on oxygen. He was prayed over and had hands laid on him and he got up and ran across the front of the church. 3 months later he went on a white water rafting trip with the men of the church. He passed away 2 1/2 years later. His cardiologist would not believe the trip until she was shown a picture of him in a raft on the river, in the rapids. This was someone in the advanced stages of CHF, Parkinsons, diabetes, and emphysema. His doctors gave him a few weeks to live.

Supernatural, yes. Mysticism, no. Magic, no. God, yes.
from whom does supernatural, mysticism, magic, come? Stop being biased and radiate truth. If you don't use the brain God has given you to think, is it the faith you don't even know you have that will work for you?

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Tue 10/22/13 02:45 PM



Please dear get a dictionary or an encyclopedia and look for the meaning of occultism, after that ask that, let us know whether you would still stand on that you proposition.


supernatural, mystical, or magical beliefs, practices or phenomena.

To be fair, as Chritians we will use the term in the wrong way too frequently. It can be confused with cultism like the Hari Chrishnas, or Jim Jones.

I have, personally, witnessed a true miracle. A healing that could not be expained by any doctor. A friend was dying of multiple system failures, Cardiac, liver, lungs, brain etc. Could not walk and was confined to a wheelchair on oxygen. He was prayed over and had hands laid on him and he got up and ran across the front of the church. 3 months later he went on a white water rafting trip with the men of the church. He passed away 2 1/2 years later. His cardiologist would not believe the trip until she was shown a picture of him in a raft on the river, in the rapids. This was someone in the advanced stages of CHF, Parkinsons, diabetes, and emphysema. His doctors gave him a few weeks to live.

Supernatural, yes. Mysticism, no. Magic, no. God, yes.


Here is the truth.

Healing and miracles that are not "Christian based" are called occult.

The bottom line is, Christianity believes in magic and miracles but if credit is not given to their Christian God, then they claim that the Devil is behind it.

Christians don't want anyone to wield or lay claim to magic except them and their God.


yes this is so much so....what they failed to understand is that all these things are under the power of God.

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Tue 10/22/13 03:41 PM
the difference is in Jesus, and his lessons

the range of lessons about life and history are very much the same though

its the spirit of the person which interprets those lessons which is also a significant difference

people of all religions have those peaceful spirits who will take the lesson of peace that their religion espouses

they will also have those rebellious and/or violent spirits who will take lessons of vengeance/justice that their religion espouses

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Tue 10/22/13 09:14 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 10/22/13 09:15 PM

the difference is in Jesus, and his lessons

the range of lessons about life and history are very much the same though

its the spirit of the person which interprets those lessons which is also a significant difference

people of all religions have those peaceful spirits who will take the lesson of peace that their religion espouses

they will also have those rebellious and/or violent spirits who will take lessons of vengeance/justice that their religion espouses


Did you miss the point or are you just trying to cloud the issue?

Healing, miracles, magic etc. when it is not attributed to Jesus or Christianity is attributed to Satan by Christians.

Even positive thinking, the law of attraction, visualization techniques etc. are generally frowned upon by mainstream Christianity. Yet they lay claim to miracles, healing and magic through Jesus and their God all the time.





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Tue 10/22/13 09:16 PM
For example, if I claimed that the goddess (any goddess) healed me, and gave credit to her, this would be frowned upon by most Christians.

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Tue 10/22/13 10:08 PM


the difference is in Jesus, and his lessons

the range of lessons about life and history are very much the same though

its the spirit of the person which interprets those lessons which is also a significant difference

people of all religions have those peaceful spirits who will take the lesson of peace that their religion espouses

they will also have those rebellious and/or violent spirits who will take lessons of vengeance/justice that their religion espouses


Did you miss the point or are you just trying to cloud the issue?

Healing, miracles, magic etc. when it is not attributed to Jesus or Christianity is attributed to Satan by Christians.

Even positive thinking, the law of attraction, visualization techniques etc. are generally frowned upon by mainstream Christianity. Yet they lay claim to miracles, healing and magic through Jesus and their God all the time.







IM not missing the point or clouding the issue,, the TITLE OF THE THREAD Is about religions being the same

Im posting my perception of how they are the same and how they are different,,,

I think the other things ; law of attraction, visualization,,etc

May or May not be frowned upon by people of just about any religion,,, it depends upon the individual

as I originally stated,,

bibarnes's photo
Fri 11/08/13 03:09 PM
Ah, I have to disagree with you, again. I have met Jesus and in a very personal and definitive way. Read my post "How did you come to Christ." You may or may not believe it and that is fine. There is so much ore to my conversion than I could ever put in a post. It covers the 8 years after leaving the Navy where I spent 9 years. There were also hints and nudges before that.

It took me 2 years of researching before I bought a flat screen TV. It took me until 1 month ago to fonally buy a tablet (Kindle). I researched and asked questions. The same thing happened with me "losing my religion." Your understanding and mine on what religion is may not agree completely, but they are different. I see religion as a set of rules and policies. The liturgy in many churches amplify that. I sit and argue with God over stupid things. I talk to Him every day. I see his hand in many places.

Am I a "good" person? No. Am I perfect? No. Am I saved from my sin? YES!

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Fri 11/08/13 03:44 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 11/08/13 03:46 PM

Ah, I have to disagree with you, again. I have met Jesus and in a very personal and definitive way. Read my post "How did you come to Christ." You may or may not believe it and that is fine. There is so much ore to my conversion than I could ever put in a post. It covers the 8 years after leaving the Navy where I spent 9 years. There were also hints and nudges before that.

It took me 2 years of researching before I bought a flat screen TV. It took me until 1 month ago to fonally buy a tablet (Kindle). I researched and asked questions. The same thing happened with me "losing my religion." Your understanding and mine on what religion is may not agree completely, but they are different. I see religion as a set of rules and policies. The liturgy in many churches amplify that. I sit and argue with God over stupid things. I talk to Him every day. I see his hand in many places.

Am I a "good" person? No. Am I perfect? No. Am I saved from my sin? YES!


You don't think your are a good person?

I don't doubt it when some people tell me they have met Satan or Jesus or Rabazar Tars. In their spiritual alternate reality they very well could have.

I strive to be a good person, but I know that good and bad are perceptions and opinions.




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Thu 12/05/13 10:36 AM
M
A
P
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M is for manuscripts
There are over 40,000 old testament manuscripts to the old testament in the bible
All compared to each other. There is a greater than 99.5% accuracy between them.
The new testament can be reproduced by looking into historical books because it was so extensively quoted

A is for archeology
Archeology is continueing to prove everything in the bible as historical fact!

P is for prophecy
Jesus Christ fulfilled over 330 prophecies with his first coming.
The odds of those being fulfilled are greater than 10 followed by 49 zeros.
And you say he didn't exsist??? Didn't influence our world??? Didn't or hasn't improved things in this world for all of us???
There is over 1800 prophecies being fulfilled as we live and breath concerning His second coming.
S is for science
The bible is 100% scientifically accurate. Those who would say otherwise are being ignorant or just plain outright lieing!

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Thu 12/05/13 11:09 AM

M
A
P
S

M is for manuscripts
There are over 40,000 old testament manuscripts to the old testament in the bible
All compared to each other. There is a greater than 99.5% accuracy between them.
The new testament can be reproduced by looking into historical books because it was so extensively quoted

A is for archeology
Archeology is continueing to prove everything in the bible as historical fact!

P is for prophecy
Jesus Christ fulfilled over 330 prophecies with his first coming.
The odds of those being fulfilled are greater than 10 followed by 49 zeros.
And you say he didn't exsist??? Didn't influence our world??? Didn't or hasn't improved things in this world for all of us???
There is over 1800 prophecies being fulfilled as we live and breath concerning His second coming.
S is for science
The bible is 100% scientifically accurate. Those who would say otherwise are being ignorant or just plain outright lieing!


Not a Chance!
Regardless of your accusation of lying!slaphead

mightymoe's photo
Thu 12/05/13 11:16 AM

M
A
P
S

M is for manuscripts
There are over 40,000 old testament manuscripts to the old testament in the bible
All compared to each other. There is a greater than 99.5% accuracy between them.
The new testament can be reproduced by looking into historical books because it was so extensively quoted

A is for archeology
Archeology is continueing to prove everything in the bible as historical fact!

P is for prophecy
Jesus Christ fulfilled over 330 prophecies with his first coming.
The odds of those being fulfilled are greater than 10 followed by 49 zeros.
And you say he didn't exsist??? Didn't influence our world??? Didn't or hasn't improved things in this world for all of us???
There is over 1800 prophecies being fulfilled as we live and breath concerning His second coming.
S is for science
The bible is 100% scientifically accurate. Those who would say otherwise are being ignorant or just plain outright lieing!

ok, then i'm a liar... that is just a bunch of crap...

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Thu 12/05/13 01:32 PM
The bible is 100% scientifically accurate. Those who would say otherwise are being ignorant or just plain outright lieing!


"One hundred percent accurate" means absolutely NO errors. Right?

If one or ten or a hundred biblical errors can be pointed out (such as the mustard seed is NOT the smallest of seeds and mustard plants do not grow into trees -- as any "god" should know), would you be willing to acknowledge that your claim is false?

Scholars and theologians realize that the writings which became known as the bible were made over centuries by MANY different writers, the identity of most of whom is unknown. For instance, Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John are ASSIGNED names and do not identify the actual writers.

The sources of information used by those largely anonymous religious writers cannot be determined and their accuracy cannot be verified. What can honestly be said is that what was written was likely to be someone's OPINION or belief -- not necessarily factually or historically accurate.

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Thu 12/05/13 03:04 PM
Edited by Mark_the_Man on Thu 12/05/13 03:08 PM

"The bible is 100% scientifically accurate. Those who would say otherwise are being ignorant or just plain outright lieing!"


Oh? Alright then. Let's be fair to each other and put this claim to a test of legitimacy. What sources are you turning to in order justify these facts yours? I haven't seen one listed. So, if you will, please present them and make your case.

And I'll make you a deal: if you show me yours I'll show you mine.

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Thu 12/05/13 03:41 PM


"The bible is 100% scientifically accurate. Those who would say otherwise are being ignorant or just plain outright lieing!"


Oh? Alright then. Let's be fair to each other and put this claim to a test of legitimacy. What sources are you turning to in order justify these facts yours? I haven't seen one listed. So, if you will, please present them and make your case.

And I'll make you a deal: if you show me yours I'll show you mine.


jesus walked on water, turned water into wine....

show me how to do this please...

JohnDavidDavid's photo
Thu 12/05/13 04:16 PM
jesus walked on water


The "walked on water" claim is made for Jesus and for many other "gods" and "godmen" of that era.

There is no evidence that any of the claims were true or that humans (or "gods") are capable of defying physics / gravity to actually do such thing.