in indonesia, lord or god or whatever it named only the idols. live in the things like clothes, techonology device, or else. we have it by free and named are bless. that's why it presence still to be with. because bless indenticaly with it. and it will proof that the things are its not mine, example. basicly, what ever we devote as we known through religion only teach THE SALVATION IS A HUMAN PROPERTIES IN THIS EARTH, WEALTH, PROSPERITY, EXTACY, AND BLA BLA BLA. But same or not same the tags of religion to pay that to buying the fine life, once more, everything is not mine like example. why? because all of you are the smallests divine.

Which religion ya wanna talk about?

The one with a pedo for prophet, a don't care how ya bring em, just bring em young, snake handlers, Satanists?

Which religion ya wanna talk about?

The one with a pedo for prophet, a don't care how ya bring em, just bring em young, snake handlers, Satanists?

What? Not down with the reality that Mohammed fked an almost toddler?

Or, Brigham Young liked his women young and tender?

EEEEEEWWWWWWEEEEEEE. Snakes creep me out, big time.

If they believe there's a Satan, they have to believe there is God also, no?

How about it?

Who wants to dis a religion that will whack off your head, cut out your testicles, massacre your children and burn their bodies?

Good answer, Jesus is the difference.....
Jesus is the way the truth and live no one cometh unto the father except through Him john14vs6

A preacher, perhaps named Jesus, was executed for sedition two thousand years ago. Some claim that he came back to life, deified him and started a new religion in his name.

They may have been right. They may have been wrong.

Many confuse their personal beliefs and emotions with knowledge -- but have difficulty demonstrating knowledge or truth beyond testimonials, folklore, legends, etc.

Religion IS LAW that ALLAH made for There People . and We Have to Follow what our Religion says .. so there is no doubt is Religion You Can not make Change in Religion For your own purpose . Islam there is LAW for every one . in Islam We have to follow the QURAN and OUR HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMAD SAW PEACE BE UPON HIM ...

You know sometimes these discussions give me the right royal red azz. The are all the same- the same bullcrap. Think for yourself. Blame the bad things on the Devil? Why don't you blame it on the bossa nova? Or how about taking some responsibility for yourselves.

I have to disagree with you there. "Religion" is nothing more then a "scapegoat" for people not to believe. Not preaching or giving a sermon here lol, just that is what it is. God didn't make any "religion" nor does he ever reference belief in him as a "religion". Religion will get you no where, but God will take you anywhere.

Let's address a few issue:

1. The difference is Jesus and his lessons. Most of Jesus' lessons in the Bible are taken, almost word for word, from older Jewish texts, such as, the Diache.

2. As my old theology professor used to say, those who respect the Bible, have never actually read it. Claiming that the Bible is historically and /or scientifically accurate only points to someone not actually reading it and doing their homework.

3. What is the point? Does Jesus have to have actually lived in order for you to have faith in these teachings and incorporate them into your daily life? If he didn't live, does that in anyway minimize the concept that a good way to live is to "love one another"? If it does, then perhaps some self-examination is in order.

Point being and meaning of this statement? Not refuting what language the scriptures were originally written in, just curious what difference it makes. A word doesn't change meaning through translation. Only the spelling and pronunciation changes.



I beg to differ. If you wish to make another thread about this particular subject, think it would be a pleasure. I can find many cross references for pretty much everything in the new testament minus the prophecies of the end of times, ect. But as for the actions it claims happened, I can find you cross references for it, including Jesus' crucifixion, and more.



What's the point of what? Please elaborate more specifically on what is being referred to here please. It's not about just "loving one another", that is merely one of his instructions. It's about uplifting and being obedient to God. Being obedient to God show's one's love for God and the faith thereof, it's not done to save one's hide, it's not done because one doesn't know better. It's done to again be faithful to our creator and God.

The scriptures did not originate with the Catholic church. I think they started with Moses. The catholic church came into the picture a long time after Christ and the Apostles. The Catholic Church tried to discourage reading the scriptures. When Martin Luther read the scriptures and left the Church in protest, he started the Protestant religions. Unfortunately the protestants kept so much of the doctrine that they are not teaching what Christ and the apostles taught either.

You seem to miss the point entirely. The point can be illustrated thusly: This is a quote from the Didache, a Jewish community manual which predates the Gospels. It was later adopted and added onto to by Xians in order to make it a Xian text, which it was not.
Chapter 1. The Two Ways and the First Commandment. There are two ways, one of life and one of death, but a great difference between the two ways. The way of life, then, is this: First, you shall love God who made you; second, love your neighbor as yourself, and do not do to another what you would not want done to you. And of these sayings the teaching is this: Bless those who curse you, and pray for your enemies, and fast for those who persecute you. For what reward is there for loving those who love you? Do not the Gentiles do the same? But love those who hate you, and you shall not have an enemy. Abstain from fleshly and worldly lusts. If someone strikes your right cheek, turn to him the other also, and you shall be perfect. If someone impresses you for one mile, go with him two. If someone takes your cloak, give him also your coat. If someone takes from you what is yours, ask it not back, for indeed you are not able. Give to every one who asks you, and ask it not back; for the Father wills that to all should be given of our own blessings (free gifts). Happy is he who gives according to the commandment, for he is guiltless. Woe to him who receives; for if one receives who has need, he is guiltless; but he who receives not having need shall pay the penalty, why he received and for what. And coming into confinement, he shall be examined concerning the things which he has done, and he shall not escape from there until he pays back the last penny. And also concerning this, it has been said, Let your alms sweat in your hands, until you know to whom you should give.

Does any of this sound familiar? Much of what you read has actually be borrowed from other texts

so the peace comes before or after someone straps a bomb on their azz?

Interesting conspiracy theory there, Moe...but why not save speculation like that for the politics forum?

It's hardly speculation is it, it happens on an almost daily basis.

Actually, without a supporting link to prove ones claim, it is speculation.

Btw? Are you aware the IDF attacked a jewish college in Israel the other day?

http://www.roitov.com/articles/odyosefhai.htm

See the above? That's called a "link". That is how one proves their statement is accurate.

Your turn now to prove the validity of your post ..."it happens on an almost daily basis"...w/ a supporting link.

Listen Mr Bobby, I don't have to come up with fancy links to prove my point, and by the way I do know what a link is. I will be one of the youngets people ever to complete a PHD in the UK so don't patronise me, because that make me brighter than your average cookie.
I've given my opinion and that's all I'll say in this topic.
As for proving my point, I'll let Al Qaeda do that for me, no doubt they will either today or tomorrow.