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Topic: Murders come in all races
msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 09/05/13 09:36 AM
I would fight against ignorant bigotry, and even more dangerous ignorant fear,,,,

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 09/05/13 09:41 AM
"and the 79.6 percent are responsible for 92.8 percent of murders, who posted that? what I posted was this "not even 1 percent of the teenage population commits crimes,, again, not enough of a sample for logic to define the whole group,,,because, it means atleast 99 PERCENT of said group are NOT committing crimes" 51.7 per 100,000 is LESS than 1 percent,,, what is false aboutthat? Just a few posts above this one are the statistics on youth crime. "In recent years, the average age for first arrest has dropped significantly, and younger boys and girls are committing crimes. Between 60–80% percent of adolescents, and pre-adolescents engage in some form of juvenile offense.[2] These can range from status offenses (such as underage smoking), to property crimes and violent crimes. The percent of teens who offend is so high that it would seem to be a cause for worry. However, juvenile offending can be considered normative adolescent behavior.[2] This is because most teens tend to offend by committing non-violent crimes, only once or a few times, and only during adolescence. It is when adolescents offend repeatedly or violently that their offending is likely to continue beyond adolescence, and become increasingly violent. It is also likely that if this is the case, they began offending and displaying antisocial behavior even before reaching adolescence.[3]" But to answer your question, EVERYTHING, IS FALSE ABOUT YOUR STATEMENT. Since you don't seem to know what you are concluding, "again, not enough of a sample for logic to define the whole group,,,because, it means atleast 99 PERCENT of said group are NOT committing crimes" is a completely false statement. You are spinning HARD! You are taking every fact and restating it to mean the exact opposite of the truth. If you really think hardly any of the youths, especially blacks, are committing crimes, you are truly out of touch. Pretending that there is no association between black men and violence is phony�Why so many blacks deny the truth is puzzling�As long as stringent denial and rationalization by blaming the problem on racism continues, the problem will grow�.Young black men murder 14 times more than their white counterparts�Not all black communities are in total denial, but the truth is black America is not nearly as indignant about black boys killing each other or killing whites as they are about the "occasional" white cop killing a black boy�.Is it because it's easier to kick up dust about the Zimmerman's of the world than it is to actually do something about black thugs?�I wonder what would happen if blacks "applied" even a fraction of the brain power and energy they apply to cases like Zimmerman/Martin to actually doing something to prevent young black boys from going wrong!�These are your children people!�.What does it say about self image when so many blacks are only willing to spend effort trying to change white America while turning a blind eye to their own part in this ever mounting problem?�The truth is black communities are broken�.In spite of a functioning middle class, children of the same class still pay tribute to ghetto thug values�.MY OPINION?...I think it's time black middle class America started taking responsibility for "their" thug culture by refusing to place the blame on imaginary racism while hiding behind skewed statistics!� it always makes me tilt my head when non black people assume what people in the black community somehow don't concern themselves with crimes that black people commit merely because they concern themselves with crimes committed against blacks by WHITES who are NOT HELD ACCONTABLE (major difference between 'black on black' crime and those interracial crimes in media) I don't make the accusation against white folks who constantly try to highlight the violent 'subculture' of black folks,, allegedly just because I don't hear them or see them in media being 'indignant' about the nearly 90 percent of white victims victimized by white folks accountability? yeah,,, ok If you mean me, don't assume...I don't have to make assumptions about that of which I speak, I witness it every day with my own two eyes and I speak for myself...As with institutional racism, I can see both sides of the issue because I KNOW it exists....I can also see how you would feel compelled to defend yourself and other blacks here....But Harmony, even the fact that you are outnumbered does not justify the amount of spin you dish up...People are not that stupid and believe it or not, I agree with you much of the time...Even so, make no mistake, I never base those agreements on racism or black victimization by whites in control unless the facts support it and all too often they do not!....What I see in black communities throughout America is a terrible problem that imposes a negative impact on a "whole" society, not just a part of one.... you have that luxury,,,,you are not part of the black community and you will have your individual perception from the limited experiences you have as a non black LOOKING in at black individuals (there are tens of millions in America, different financial statuses, different neighborhoods,,etc,,,) that is NOT THE SAME as knowing what happens WITHIN THE BLACK COMMUNITY AT LARGE,, its funny how I am seen as 'spinning things' when I speak as part of that community to other people speaking ABOUT THAT SAME COMMUNITY,,,lol but, oh well

Leigh2154 Joined Sun 10/02/11 Posts: 16479	Thu 09/05/13 09:56 AM Edited by Leigh2154 on Thu 09/05/13 09:58 AM
"and the 79.6 percent are responsible for 92.8 percent of murders, who posted that? what I posted was this "not even 1 percent of the teenage population commits crimes,, again, not enough of a sample for logic to define the whole group,,,because, it means atleast 99 PERCENT of said group are NOT committing crimes" 51.7 per 100,000 is LESS than 1 percent,,, what is false aboutthat? Just a few posts above this one are the statistics on youth crime. "In recent years, the average age for first arrest has dropped significantly, and younger boys and girls are committing crimes. Between 60–80% percent of adolescents, and pre-adolescents engage in some form of juvenile offense.[2] These can range from status offenses (such as underage smoking), to property crimes and violent crimes. The percent of teens who offend is so high that it would seem to be a cause for worry. However, juvenile offending can be considered normative adolescent behavior.[2] This is because most teens tend to offend by committing non-violent crimes, only once or a few times, and only during adolescence. It is when adolescents offend repeatedly or violently that their offending is likely to continue beyond adolescence, and become increasingly violent. It is also likely that if this is the case, they began offending and displaying antisocial behavior even before reaching adolescence.[3]" But to answer your question, EVERYTHING, IS FALSE ABOUT YOUR STATEMENT. Since you don't seem to know what you are concluding, "again, not enough of a sample for logic to define the whole group,,,because, it means atleast 99 PERCENT of said group are NOT committing crimes" is a completely false statement. You are spinning HARD! You are taking every fact and restating it to mean the exact opposite of the truth. If you really think hardly any of the youths, especially blacks, are committing crimes, you are truly out of touch. Pretending that there is no association between black men and violence is phony�Why so many blacks deny the truth is puzzling�As long as stringent denial and rationalization by blaming the problem on racism continues, the problem will grow�.Young black men murder 14 times more than their white counterparts�Not all black communities are in total denial, but the truth is black America is not nearly as indignant about black boys killing each other or killing whites as they are about the "occasional" white cop killing a black boy�.Is it because it's easier to kick up dust about the Zimmerman's of the world than it is to actually do something about black thugs?�I wonder what would happen if blacks "applied" even a fraction of the brain power and energy they apply to cases like Zimmerman/Martin to actually doing something to prevent young black boys from going wrong!�These are your children people!�.What does it say about self image when so many blacks are only willing to spend effort trying to change white America while turning a blind eye to their own part in this ever mounting problem?�The truth is black communities are broken�.In spite of a functioning middle class, children of the same class still pay tribute to ghetto thug values�.MY OPINION?...I think it's time black middle class America started taking responsibility for "their" thug culture by refusing to place the blame on imaginary racism while hiding behind skewed statistics!� it always makes me tilt my head when non black people assume what people in the black community somehow don't concern themselves with crimes that black people commit merely because they concern themselves with crimes committed against blacks by WHITES who are NOT HELD ACCONTABLE (major difference between 'black on black' crime and those interracial crimes in media) I don't make the accusation against white folks who constantly try to highlight the violent 'subculture' of black folks,, allegedly just because I don't hear them or see them in media being 'indignant' about the nearly 90 percent of white victims victimized by white folks accountability? yeah,,, ok If you mean me, don't assume...I don't have to make assumptions about that of which I speak, I witness it every day with my own two eyes and I speak for myself...As with institutional racism, I can see both sides of the issue because I KNOW it exists....I can also see how you would feel compelled to defend yourself and other blacks here....But Harmony, even the fact that you are outnumbered does not justify the amount of spin you dish up...People are not that stupid and believe it or not, I agree with you much of the time...Even so, make no mistake, I never base those agreements on racism or black victimization by whites in control unless the facts support it and all too often they do not!....What I see in black communities throughout America is a terrible problem that imposes a negative impact on a "whole" society, not just a part of one.... you have that luxury,,,,you are not part of the black community and you will have your individual perception from the limited experiences you have as a non black LOOKING in at black individuals (there are tens of millions in America, different financial statuses, different neighborhoods,,etc,,,) that is NOT THE SAME as knowing what happens WITHIN THE BLACK COMMUNITY AT LARGE,, its funny how I am seen as 'spinning things' when I speak as part of that community to other people speaking ABOUT THAT SAME COMMUNITY,,,lol but, oh well How in the hell could you possibly know what luxury I have or don't have except for basing in upon the color of my skin?....Are you saying the truth about black communities is closed to the general public according to skin color?...And if so, what about all those black men and women who agree with my "individual perception"....This thread is about murders committed by all races...In the United States, blacks are the PRIMARY contributors....Sorry if the truth hurts, but oh well....

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Thu 09/05/13 10:09 AM
I'll stay and join the war against the feral. Which side will you take? Feral or human?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 09/05/13 10:23 AM
"and the 79.6 percent are responsible for 92.8 percent of murders, who posted that? what I posted was this "not even 1 percent of the teenage population commits crimes,, again, not enough of a sample for logic to define the whole group,,,because, it means atleast 99 PERCENT of said group are NOT committing crimes" 51.7 per 100,000 is LESS than 1 percent,,, what is false aboutthat? Just a few posts above this one are the statistics on youth crime. "In recent years, the average age for first arrest has dropped significantly, and younger boys and girls are committing crimes. Between 60–80% percent of adolescents, and pre-adolescents engage in some form of juvenile offense.[2] These can range from status offenses (such as underage smoking), to property crimes and violent crimes. The percent of teens who offend is so high that it would seem to be a cause for worry. However, juvenile offending can be considered normative adolescent behavior.[2] This is because most teens tend to offend by committing non-violent crimes, only once or a few times, and only during adolescence. It is when adolescents offend repeatedly or violently that their offending is likely to continue beyond adolescence, and become increasingly violent. It is also likely that if this is the case, they began offending and displaying antisocial behavior even before reaching adolescence.[3]" But to answer your question, EVERYTHING, IS FALSE ABOUT YOUR STATEMENT. Since you don't seem to know what you are concluding, "again, not enough of a sample for logic to define the whole group,,,because, it means atleast 99 PERCENT of said group are NOT committing crimes" is a completely false statement. You are spinning HARD! You are taking every fact and restating it to mean the exact opposite of the truth. If you really think hardly any of the youths, especially blacks, are committing crimes, you are truly out of touch. Pretending that there is no association between black men and violence is phony�Why so many blacks deny the truth is puzzling�As long as stringent denial and rationalization by blaming the problem on racism continues, the problem will grow�.Young black men murder 14 times more than their white counterparts�Not all black communities are in total denial, but the truth is black America is not nearly as indignant about black boys killing each other or killing whites as they are about the "occasional" white cop killing a black boy�.Is it because it's easier to kick up dust about the Zimmerman's of the world than it is to actually do something about black thugs?�I wonder what would happen if blacks "applied" even a fraction of the brain power and energy they apply to cases like Zimmerman/Martin to actually doing something to prevent young black boys from going wrong!�These are your children people!�.What does it say about self image when so many blacks are only willing to spend effort trying to change white America while turning a blind eye to their own part in this ever mounting problem?�The truth is black communities are broken�.In spite of a functioning middle class, children of the same class still pay tribute to ghetto thug values�.MY OPINION?...I think it's time black middle class America started taking responsibility for "their" thug culture by refusing to place the blame on imaginary racism while hiding behind skewed statistics!� it always makes me tilt my head when non black people assume what people in the black community somehow don't concern themselves with crimes that black people commit merely because they concern themselves with crimes committed against blacks by WHITES who are NOT HELD ACCONTABLE (major difference between 'black on black' crime and those interracial crimes in media) I don't make the accusation against white folks who constantly try to highlight the violent 'subculture' of black folks,, allegedly just because I don't hear them or see them in media being 'indignant' about the nearly 90 percent of white victims victimized by white folks accountability? yeah,,, ok If you mean me, don't assume...I don't have to make assumptions about that of which I speak, I witness it every day with my own two eyes and I speak for myself...As with institutional racism, I can see both sides of the issue because I KNOW it exists....I can also see how you would feel compelled to defend yourself and other blacks here....But Harmony, even the fact that you are outnumbered does not justify the amount of spin you dish up...People are not that stupid and believe it or not, I agree with you much of the time...Even so, make no mistake, I never base those agreements on racism or black victimization by whites in control unless the facts support it and all too often they do not!....What I see in black communities throughout America is a terrible problem that imposes a negative impact on a "whole" society, not just a part of one.... you have that luxury,,,,you are not part of the black community and you will have your individual perception from the limited experiences you have as a non black LOOKING in at black individuals (there are tens of millions in America, different financial statuses, different neighborhoods,,etc,,,) that is NOT THE SAME as knowing what happens WITHIN THE BLACK COMMUNITY AT LARGE,, its funny how I am seen as 'spinning things' when I speak as part of that community to other people speaking ABOUT THAT SAME COMMUNITY,,,lol but, oh well How in the hell could you possibly know what luxury I have or don't have except for basing in upon the color of my skin?....Are you saying the truth about black communities is closed to the general public according to skin color?...And if so, what about all those black men and women who agree with my "individual perception"....This thread is about murders committed by all races...In the United States, blacks are the PRIMARY contributors....Sorry if the truth hurts, but oh well.... well, yes let me explain, I have the luxury of ASSUMING what men care about based upon my limited interactions WITH MEN however, not being a man myself, I can only ASSUME and not KNOW what MEN Care about,,, not meant to offend, its just the truth and yes, blacks have made up the majority of murders,, out of 42 million, 5770 committed murder in 2010 http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl03.xls doing the math, that is STILL a very small percentage of the BLACK AS A POPULATION committing murder, leaving more than 99 percent NOT COMMITTING MURDERS also out of 197 million whites, 202.275 arrested for aggravated assault, and nearly 1 million arrested for driving drunk https://www.google.com/#psj=1&q=2010+census+white+popultion so why aren't whites addressing the problems of violence or irresponsible behavior in their communities? and how would I possibly know if they were or weren't,, in the first place? ,,,just saying

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 09/05/13 10:35 AM Edited by msharmony on Thu 09/05/13 10:36 AM
so ya think,, ALL 12 percent and ALL the 79.6 percent commit the crimes let me help,,in 2010 there were 223,553,265 white folks and 38,929,319 black folks 2009 violent crimes by white folks were 3249 .and 3106 black folks that means , LITERALLY , about 3.2 out of every 223,553 whites were violent 3.1 out of every 38929 blacks were violent ..like I said, a VERY SMALL percent of either group Math certainly isn't your strong suit. Are you trying to print false information to make Blacks look better or do you really not have a clue how to do math? Trying to say that Blacks commit violent crime at almost the same rate as whites is simply a gross lie by any standard. If you dig a little deeper (as you often suggest) you will see that young blacks (5% of the population) commit about half of all murders in the US. I would show you how to do the math you falsely posted but it is so simple, I think you just did it that way on purpose. If one group is committing crimes at 7 to 10 times the rate of the other and living in the same country, it is not a small percentage. I dug, the math is still wrong http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl03.xls 15000 murder offenders in 2010, 38.2 percent were black (all ages included) NOT POSSIBLE THEREFORE, for young blcks to have commited 50 percent of murders,,,

Leigh2154 Joined Sun 10/02/11 Posts: 16479	Thu 09/05/13 10:52 AM Edited by Leigh2154 on Thu 09/05/13 10:53 AM
"and the 79.6 percent are responsible for 92.8 percent of murders, who posted that? what I posted was this "not even 1 percent of the teenage population commits crimes,, again, not enough of a sample for logic to define the whole group,,,because, it means atleast 99 PERCENT of said group are NOT committing crimes" 51.7 per 100,000 is LESS than 1 percent,,, what is false aboutthat? Just a few posts above this one are the statistics on youth crime. "In recent years, the average age for first arrest has dropped significantly, and younger boys and girls are committing crimes. Between 60–80% percent of adolescents, and pre-adolescents engage in some form of juvenile offense.[2] These can range from status offenses (such as underage smoking), to property crimes and violent crimes. The percent of teens who offend is so high that it would seem to be a cause for worry. However, juvenile offending can be considered normative adolescent behavior.[2] This is because most teens tend to offend by committing non-violent crimes, only once or a few times, and only during adolescence. It is when adolescents offend repeatedly or violently that their offending is likely to continue beyond adolescence, and become increasingly violent. It is also likely that if this is the case, they began offending and displaying antisocial behavior even before reaching adolescence.[3]" But to answer your question, EVERYTHING, IS FALSE ABOUT YOUR STATEMENT. Since you don't seem to know what you are concluding, "again, not enough of a sample for logic to define the whole group,,,because, it means atleast 99 PERCENT of said group are NOT committing crimes" is a completely false statement. You are spinning HARD! You are taking every fact and restating it to mean the exact opposite of the truth. If you really think hardly any of the youths, especially blacks, are committing crimes, you are truly out of touch. Pretending that there is no association between black men and violence is phony�Why so many blacks deny the truth is puzzling�As long as stringent denial and rationalization by blaming the problem on racism continues, the problem will grow�.Young black men murder 14 times more than their white counterparts�Not all black communities are in total denial, but the truth is black America is not nearly as indignant about black boys killing each other or killing whites as they are about the "occasional" white cop killing a black boy�.Is it because it's easier to kick up dust about the Zimmerman's of the world than it is to actually do something about black thugs?�I wonder what would happen if blacks "applied" even a fraction of the brain power and energy they apply to cases like Zimmerman/Martin to actually doing something to prevent young black boys from going wrong!�These are your children people!�.What does it say about self image when so many blacks are only willing to spend effort trying to change white America while turning a blind eye to their own part in this ever mounting problem?�The truth is black communities are broken�.In spite of a functioning middle class, children of the same class still pay tribute to ghetto thug values�.MY OPINION?...I think it's time black middle class America started taking responsibility for "their" thug culture by refusing to place the blame on imaginary racism while hiding behind skewed statistics!� it always makes me tilt my head when non black people assume what people in the black community somehow don't concern themselves with crimes that black people commit merely because they concern themselves with crimes committed against blacks by WHITES who are NOT HELD ACCONTABLE (major difference between 'black on black' crime and those interracial crimes in media) I don't make the accusation against white folks who constantly try to highlight the violent 'subculture' of black folks,, allegedly just because I don't hear them or see them in media being 'indignant' about the nearly 90 percent of white victims victimized by white folks accountability? yeah,,, ok If you mean me, don't assume...I don't have to make assumptions about that of which I speak, I witness it every day with my own two eyes and I speak for myself...As with institutional racism, I can see both sides of the issue because I KNOW it exists....I can also see how you would feel compelled to defend yourself and other blacks here....But Harmony, even the fact that you are outnumbered does not justify the amount of spin you dish up...People are not that stupid and believe it or not, I agree with you much of the time...Even so, make no mistake, I never base those agreements on racism or black victimization by whites in control unless the facts support it and all too often they do not!....What I see in black communities throughout America is a terrible problem that imposes a negative impact on a "whole" society, not just a part of one.... you have that luxury,,,,you are not part of the black community and you will have your individual perception from the limited experiences you have as a non black LOOKING in at black individuals (there are tens of millions in America, different financial statuses, different neighborhoods,,etc,,,) that is NOT THE SAME as knowing what happens WITHIN THE BLACK COMMUNITY AT LARGE,, its funny how I am seen as 'spinning things' when I speak as part of that community to other people speaking ABOUT THAT SAME COMMUNITY,,,lol but, oh well How in the hell could you possibly know what luxury I have or don't have except for basing in upon the color of my skin?....Are you saying the truth about black communities is closed to the general public according to skin color?...And if so, what about all those black men and women who agree with my "individual perception"....This thread is about murders committed by all races...In the United States, blacks are the PRIMARY contributors....Sorry if the truth hurts, but oh well.... well, yes let me explain, I have the luxury of ASSUMING what men care about based upon my limited interactions WITH MEN however, not being a man myself, I can only ASSUME and not KNOW what MEN Care about,,, not meant to offend, its just the truth and yes, blacks have made up the majority of murders,, out of 42 million, 5770 committed murder in 2010 http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl03.xls doing the math, that is STILL a very small percentage of the BLACK AS A POPULATION committing murder, leaving more than 99 percent NOT COMMITTING MURDERS also out of 197 million whites, 202.275 arrested for aggravated assault, and nearly 1 million arrested for driving drunk https://www.google.com/#psj=1&q=2010+census+white+popultion so why aren't whites addressing the problems of violence or irresponsible behavior in their communities? and how would I possibly know if they were or weren't,, in the first place? ,,,just saying Honey, the % doing the killing is not the point, the point is the amount of killing that % is doing... Think about it like a picture .... - * = () ...Two stars minus three stars equals minus one star...sigh* Opinion based on fact is not assumption in my opinion.... This comment of yours, "however, not being a man myself, I can only ASSUME and not KNOW what MEN Care about", begs the question....Is that why you're single? This thread is not about assault, DUI's, or some drug related crimes, it's about murder....

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 09/05/13 10:55 AM
"and the 79.6 percent are responsible for 92.8 percent of murders, who posted that? what I posted was this "not even 1 percent of the teenage population commits crimes,, again, not enough of a sample for logic to define the whole group,,,because, it means atleast 99 PERCENT of said group are NOT committing crimes" 51.7 per 100,000 is LESS than 1 percent,,, what is false aboutthat? Just a few posts above this one are the statistics on youth crime. "In recent years, the average age for first arrest has dropped significantly, and younger boys and girls are committing crimes. Between 60–80% percent of adolescents, and pre-adolescents engage in some form of juvenile offense.[2] These can range from status offenses (such as underage smoking), to property crimes and violent crimes. The percent of teens who offend is so high that it would seem to be a cause for worry. However, juvenile offending can be considered normative adolescent behavior.[2] This is because most teens tend to offend by committing non-violent crimes, only once or a few times, and only during adolescence. It is when adolescents offend repeatedly or violently that their offending is likely to continue beyond adolescence, and become increasingly violent. It is also likely that if this is the case, they began offending and displaying antisocial behavior even before reaching adolescence.[3]" But to answer your question, EVERYTHING, IS FALSE ABOUT YOUR STATEMENT. Since you don't seem to know what you are concluding, "again, not enough of a sample for logic to define the whole group,,,because, it means atleast 99 PERCENT of said group are NOT committing crimes" is a completely false statement. You are spinning HARD! You are taking every fact and restating it to mean the exact opposite of the truth. If you really think hardly any of the youths, especially blacks, are committing crimes, you are truly out of touch. Pretending that there is no association between black men and violence is phony�Why so many blacks deny the truth is puzzling�As long as stringent denial and rationalization by blaming the problem on racism continues, the problem will grow�.Young black men murder 14 times more than their white counterparts�Not all black communities are in total denial, but the truth is black America is not nearly as indignant about black boys killing each other or killing whites as they are about the "occasional" white cop killing a black boy�.Is it because it's easier to kick up dust about the Zimmerman's of the world than it is to actually do something about black thugs?�I wonder what would happen if blacks "applied" even a fraction of the brain power and energy they apply to cases like Zimmerman/Martin to actually doing something to prevent young black boys from going wrong!�These are your children people!�.What does it say about self image when so many blacks are only willing to spend effort trying to change white America while turning a blind eye to their own part in this ever mounting problem?�The truth is black communities are broken�.In spite of a functioning middle class, children of the same class still pay tribute to ghetto thug values�.MY OPINION?...I think it's time black middle class America started taking responsibility for "their" thug culture by refusing to place the blame on imaginary racism while hiding behind skewed statistics!� it always makes me tilt my head when non black people assume what people in the black community somehow don't concern themselves with crimes that black people commit merely because they concern themselves with crimes committed against blacks by WHITES who are NOT HELD ACCONTABLE (major difference between 'black on black' crime and those interracial crimes in media) I don't make the accusation against white folks who constantly try to highlight the violent 'subculture' of black folks,, allegedly just because I don't hear them or see them in media being 'indignant' about the nearly 90 percent of white victims victimized by white folks accountability? yeah,,, ok If you mean me, don't assume...I don't have to make assumptions about that of which I speak, I witness it every day with my own two eyes and I speak for myself...As with institutional racism, I can see both sides of the issue because I KNOW it exists....I can also see how you would feel compelled to defend yourself and other blacks here....But Harmony, even the fact that you are outnumbered does not justify the amount of spin you dish up...People are not that stupid and believe it or not, I agree with you much of the time...Even so, make no mistake, I never base those agreements on racism or black victimization by whites in control unless the facts support it and all too often they do not!....What I see in black communities throughout America is a terrible problem that imposes a negative impact on a "whole" society, not just a part of one.... you have that luxury,,,,you are not part of the black community and you will have your individual perception from the limited experiences you have as a non black LOOKING in at black individuals (there are tens of millions in America, different financial statuses, different neighborhoods,,etc,,,) that is NOT THE SAME as knowing what happens WITHIN THE BLACK COMMUNITY AT LARGE,, its funny how I am seen as 'spinning things' when I speak as part of that community to other people speaking ABOUT THAT SAME COMMUNITY,,,lol but, oh well How in the hell could you possibly know what luxury I have or don't have except for basing in upon the color of my skin?....Are you saying the truth about black communities is closed to the general public according to skin color?...And if so, what about all those black men and women who agree with my "individual perception"....This thread is about murders committed by all races...In the United States, blacks are the PRIMARY contributors....Sorry if the truth hurts, but oh well.... well, yes let me explain, I have the luxury of ASSUMING what men care about based upon my limited interactions WITH MEN however, not being a man myself, I can only ASSUME and not KNOW what MEN Care about,,, not meant to offend, its just the truth and yes, blacks have made up the majority of murders,, out of 42 million, 5770 committed murder in 2010 http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl03.xls doing the math, that is STILL a very small percentage of the BLACK AS A POPULATION committing murder, leaving more than 99 percent NOT COMMITTING MURDERS also out of 197 million whites, 202.275 arrested for aggravated assault, and nearly 1 million arrested for driving drunk https://www.google.com/#psj=1&q=2010+census+white+popultion so why aren't whites addressing the problems of violence or irresponsible behavior in their communities? and how would I possibly know if they were or weren't,, in the first place? ,,,just saying Honey, the % doing the killing is not the point, the point is the amount of killing that % is doing... Think about it like a picture .... - * = () ...Two stars minus three stars equals minus one star...sigh* Opinion based on fact is not assumption in my opinion.... This comment of yours, "however, not being a man myself, I can only ASSUME and not KNOW what MEN Care about", begs the question....Is that why you're not single? This thread is not about assault, DUI's, or some drug related crimes, it's about murder.... IM single because I choose to be at this point, having a man is not a hard thing to do having the RIGHT man is... as to the thread, its about how ALL RACES COMMIT MURDER it slowly disintegrated into a <yeah but look at how awful those blacks are> debate which, as a black person, I feel apt to put into perspective for people,,,

Leigh2154 Joined Sun 10/02/11 Posts: 16479	Thu 09/05/13 11:23 AM Edited by Leigh2154 on Thu 09/05/13 11:24 AM
"and the 79.6 percent are responsible for 92.8 percent of murders, who posted that? what I posted was this "not even 1 percent of the teenage population commits crimes,, again, not enough of a sample for logic to define the whole group,,,because, it means atleast 99 PERCENT of said group are NOT committing crimes" 51.7 per 100,000 is LESS than 1 percent,,, what is false aboutthat? Just a few posts above this one are the statistics on youth crime. "In recent years, the average age for first arrest has dropped significantly, and younger boys and girls are committing crimes. Between 60–80% percent of adolescents, and pre-adolescents engage in some form of juvenile offense.[2] These can range from status offenses (such as underage smoking), to property crimes and violent crimes. The percent of teens who offend is so high that it would seem to be a cause for worry. However, juvenile offending can be considered normative adolescent behavior.[2] This is because most teens tend to offend by committing non-violent crimes, only once or a few times, and only during adolescence. It is when adolescents offend repeatedly or violently that their offending is likely to continue beyond adolescence, and become increasingly violent. It is also likely that if this is the case, they began offending and displaying antisocial behavior even before reaching adolescence.[3]" But to answer your question, EVERYTHING, IS FALSE ABOUT YOUR STATEMENT. Since you don't seem to know what you are concluding, "again, not enough of a sample for logic to define the whole group,,,because, it means atleast 99 PERCENT of said group are NOT committing crimes" is a completely false statement. You are spinning HARD! You are taking every fact and restating it to mean the exact opposite of the truth. If you really think hardly any of the youths, especially blacks, are committing crimes, you are truly out of touch. Pretending that there is no association between black men and violence is phony�Why so many blacks deny the truth is puzzling�As long as stringent denial and rationalization by blaming the problem on racism continues, the problem will grow�.Young black men murder 14 times more than their white counterparts�Not all black communities are in total denial, but the truth is black America is not nearly as indignant about black boys killing each other or killing whites as they are about the "occasional" white cop killing a black boy�.Is it because it's easier to kick up dust about the Zimmerman's of the world than it is to actually do something about black thugs?�I wonder what would happen if blacks "applied" even a fraction of the brain power and energy they apply to cases like Zimmerman/Martin to actually doing something to prevent young black boys from going wrong!�These are your children people!�.What does it say about self image when so many blacks are only willing to spend effort trying to change white America while turning a blind eye to their own part in this ever mounting problem?�The truth is black communities are broken�.In spite of a functioning middle class, children of the same class still pay tribute to ghetto thug values�.MY OPINION?...I think it's time black middle class America started taking responsibility for "their" thug culture by refusing to place the blame on imaginary racism while hiding behind skewed statistics!� it always makes me tilt my head when non black people assume what people in the black community somehow don't concern themselves with crimes that black people commit merely because they concern themselves with crimes committed against blacks by WHITES who are NOT HELD ACCONTABLE (major difference between 'black on black' crime and those interracial crimes in media) I don't make the accusation against white folks who constantly try to highlight the violent 'subculture' of black folks,, allegedly just because I don't hear them or see them in media being 'indignant' about the nearly 90 percent of white victims victimized by white folks accountability? yeah,,, ok If you mean me, don't assume...I don't have to make assumptions about that of which I speak, I witness it every day with my own two eyes and I speak for myself...As with institutional racism, I can see both sides of the issue because I KNOW it exists....I can also see how you would feel compelled to defend yourself and other blacks here....But Harmony, even the fact that you are outnumbered does not justify the amount of spin you dish up...People are not that stupid and believe it or not, I agree with you much of the time...Even so, make no mistake, I never base those agreements on racism or black victimization by whites in control unless the facts support it and all too often they do not!....What I see in black communities throughout America is a terrible problem that imposes a negative impact on a "whole" society, not just a part of one.... you have that luxury,,,,you are not part of the black community and you will have your individual perception from the limited experiences you have as a non black LOOKING in at black individuals (there are tens of millions in America, different financial statuses, different neighborhoods,,etc,,,) that is NOT THE SAME as knowing what happens WITHIN THE BLACK COMMUNITY AT LARGE,, its funny how I am seen as 'spinning things' when I speak as part of that community to other people speaking ABOUT THAT SAME COMMUNITY,,,lol but, oh well How in the hell could you possibly know what luxury I have or don't have except for basing in upon the color of my skin?....Are you saying the truth about black communities is closed to the general public according to skin color?...And if so, what about all those black men and women who agree with my "individual perception"....This thread is about murders committed by all races...In the United States, blacks are the PRIMARY contributors....Sorry if the truth hurts, but oh well.... well, yes let me explain, I have the luxury of ASSUMING what men care about based upon my limited interactions WITH MEN however, not being a man myself, I can only ASSUME and not KNOW what MEN Care about,,, not meant to offend, its just the truth and yes, blacks have made up the majority of murders,, out of 42 million, 5770 committed murder in 2010 http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl03.xls doing the math, that is STILL a very small percentage of the BLACK AS A POPULATION committing murder, leaving more than 99 percent NOT COMMITTING MURDERS also out of 197 million whites, 202.275 arrested for aggravated assault, and nearly 1 million arrested for driving drunk https://www.google.com/#psj=1&q=2010+census+white+popultion so why aren't whites addressing the problems of violence or irresponsible behavior in their communities? and how would I possibly know if they were or weren't,, in the first place? ,,,just saying Honey, the % doing the killing is not the point, the point is the amount of killing that % is doing... Think about it like a picture .... - * = () ...Two stars minus three stars equals minus one star...sigh* Opinion based on fact is not assumption in my opinion.... This comment of yours, "however, not being a man myself, I can only ASSUME and not KNOW what MEN Care about", begs the question....Is that why you're not single? This thread is not about assault, DUI's, or some drug related crimes, it's about murder.... it slowly disintegrated into a <yeah but look at how awful those blacks are> debate which, as a black person, I feel apt to put into perspective for people,,, Can't help but wonder if that's why this thread was started in the first place...Probably no way to know for sure though...

Toodygirl5 Joined Fri 10/26/12 Posts: 15205	Thu 09/05/13 11:28 AM Edited by Toodygirl5 on Thu 09/05/13 11:29 AM
...In the United States, blacks are the PRIMARY contributors....Sorry if the truth hurts, but oh well.... Where is the proof of this statement, anyway!! I don't think without figures you can make such a statement.

Leigh2154 Joined Sun 10/02/11 Posts: 16479	Thu 09/05/13 11:31 AM
...In the United States, blacks are the PRIMARY contributors....Sorry if the truth hurts, but oh well.... Where is the proof of this statement, anyway!! I don't think without figures you can make such a statement. Ask Harmony to give it to you as she agrees with me....

Toodygirl5 Joined Fri 10/26/12 Posts: 15205	Thu 09/05/13 11:31 AM
I would fight against ignorant bigotry, and even more dangerous ignorant fear,,,, Looks like a lot of it on this thread!

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Thu 09/05/13 01:06 PM
I would fight against ignorant bigotry, and even more dangerous ignorant fear,,,, Looks like a lot of it on this thread! where you see bigotry. I'm all for cleaning the streets if ferals Aren't you?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 09/05/13 01:09 PM
I would fight against ignorant bigotry, and even more dangerous ignorant fear,,,, Looks like a lot of it on this thread! the most frustrating kind too,, non blatant, colorblind, and 'logicl' hard to point out or prove and therefore hard to address,,

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Thu 09/05/13 01:40 PM
I hears that! Jackson,Fairycan, Sharptongue and Shabitch. Four of the worst bigots to date.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 09/05/13 02:26 PM Edited by msharmony on Thu 09/05/13 02:27 PM
unless you are fighting the blatant discrimination of the 'violent black' stereotype believers in which case, best to have on your team (with the exception of Shabazz, who seems to be strictly ANIT WHITE and attracted to the idea of violence)

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Thu 09/05/13 03:18 PM
Fairycan, Jackasson and Sharptongue ain't cleaning up the ghettos. They be cleaning up IN the ghettos.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48973	Fri 09/06/13 12:11 PM
Folks, there are times when certain statistics are meaningless. Sure, 48.6% of murderers in the USA come from 12.9% of the U.S. population. Sure, 49% of murderers in the USA come from another 79.6% of the U.S. population. However, nothing in those statistics indicates that a person of one race is more likely to commit murder than a person of another race. Murder rates can be influenced by location and culture. Just think about the gang culture that dominated New York City during the 19th Century. Those gangs were located in a densely-populated urban area, and the gangs consisted of white men who were either European immigrants or the children of European immigrants. If I am not mistaken, the white-on-white and white-on-black murder rates back then were significantly higher than the black-on-black and black-on-white murder rates.

Toodygirl5 Joined Fri 10/26/12 Posts: 15205	Fri 09/06/13 12:39 PM
Fairycan, Jackasson and Sharptongue ain't cleaning up the ghettos. They be cleaning up IN the ghettos.

Toodygirl5 Joined Fri 10/26/12 Posts: 15205	Fri 09/06/13 12:42 PM Edited by Toodygirl5 on Fri 09/06/13 12:44 PM
However, nothing in those statistics indicates that a person of one race is more likely to commit murder than a person of another race. True! And that is what this Thread is about!