I would like to point out that race is not synonymous to behavior.

amen

I doubt too many minority folks play the victim or race card that often.

Expanding on my previous statement, I want to point out that race is synonymous to neither vice nor virtue.

Everyone has an opinion and you are certainly welcome to yours ... but you should really be ashamed to constantly produce false information as fact. Here are some FACTS about youth crime.

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Juvenile delinquency, also known as juvenile offending, or youth crime, is participation in illegal behavior by minors (juveniles) (individuals younger than the statutory age of majority).[1] Most legal systems prescribe specific procedures for dealing with juveniles, such as juvenile detention centers, and courts. A juvenile delinquent is a person who is typically under the age of 18 and commits an act that otherwise would have been charged as a crime if they were an adult. Depending on the type and severity of the offense committed, it is possible for persons under 18 to be charged and tried as adults. See http://www.nycrimecommission.org/pdfs/GuideToJuvenileJusticeInNYC.pdf

In recent years, the average age for first arrest has dropped significantly, and younger boys and girls are committing crimes. Between 60–80% percent of adolescents, and pre-adolescents engage in some form of juvenile offense.[2] These can range from status offenses (such as underage smoking), to property crimes and violent crimes. The percent of teens who offend is so high that it would seem to be a cause for worry. However, juvenile offending can be considered normative adolescent behavior.[2] This is because most teens tend to offend by committing non-violent crimes, only once or a few times, and only during adolescence. It is when adolescents offend repeatedly or violently that their offending is likely to continue beyond adolescence, and become increasingly violent. It is also likely that if this is the case, they began offending and displaying antisocial behavior even before reaching adolescence.[3]

I haven't presented any 'false information as fact'

I simply used MATH to simplify the information someone else presented as fact

There is no truth in the above statements.

Neither is the statement "and the 79.6 percent are responsible for 92.8 percent of murders,,," true in any way.

Also, the false statements are not reflected in any of the factual data presented here.

I mean, really ..., there is spin and then there is just pure bologna.

"and the 79.6 percent are responsible for 92.8 percent of murders,


who posted that?

what I posted was this

"not even 1 percent of the teenage population commits crimes,,

again, not enough of a sample for logic to define the whole group,,,because, it means atleast 99 PERCENT of said group are NOT committing crimes"


51.7 per 100,000 is LESS than 1 percent,,,

what is false aboutthat?

msharmony, on page 2 of this thread, you posted the statement "and the 79.6 percent are responsible for 92.8 percent of murders,,,"

a small percentage of (both) the 12.9 percent

and the 79.6 percent are responsible for 92.8 percent of murders

a small percentage of (both) the 12.9 percent

and the 79.6 percent are responsible for 92.8 percent of murders

Just a few posts above this one are the statistics on youth crime.

"In recent years, the average age for first arrest has dropped significantly, and younger boys and girls are committing crimes. Between 60–80% percent of adolescents, and pre-adolescents engage in some form of juvenile offense.[2] These can range from status offenses (such as underage smoking), to property crimes and violent crimes. The percent of teens who offend is so high that it would seem to be a cause for worry. However, juvenile offending can be considered normative adolescent behavior.[2] This is because most teens tend to offend by committing non-violent crimes, only once or a few times, and only during adolescence. It is when adolescents offend repeatedly or violently that their offending is likely to continue beyond adolescence, and become increasingly violent. It is also likely that if this is the case, they began offending and displaying antisocial behavior even before reaching adolescence.[3]"

But to answer your question, EVERYTHING, IS FALSE ABOUT YOUR STATEMENT.

Since you don't seem to know what you are concluding, "again, not enough of a sample for logic to define the whole group,,,because, it means atleast 99 PERCENT of said group are NOT committing crimes" is a completely false statement.

You are spinning HARD! You are taking every fact and restating it to mean the exact opposite of the truth.

If you really think hardly any of the youths, especially blacks, are committing crimes, you are truly out of touch.

Pretending that there is no association between black men and violence is phony�Why so many blacks deny the truth is puzzling�As long as stringent denial and rationalization by blaming the problem on racism continues, the problem will grow�.Young black men murder 14 times more than their white counterparts�Not all black communities are in total denial, but the truth is black America is not nearly as indignant about black boys killing each other or killing whites as they are about the "occasional" white cop killing a black boy�.Is it because it's easier to kick up dust about the Zimmerman's of the world than it is to actually do something about black thugs?�I wonder what would happen if blacks "applied" even a fraction of the brain power and energy they apply to cases like Zimmerman/Martin to actually doing something to prevent young black boys from going wrong!�These are your children people!�.What does it say about self image when so many blacks are only willing to spend effort trying to change white America while turning a blind eye to their own part in this ever mounting problem?�The truth is black communities are broken�.In spite of a functioning middle class, children of the same class still pay tribute to ghetto thug values�.MY OPINION?...I think it's time black middle class America started taking responsibility for "their" thug culture by refusing to place the blame on imaginary racism while hiding behind skewed statistics!�

if you think that 1 percent committing VIOLENT CRIME (the original topic which is being deluded to try to show some black men/violent crime issue)is a large portion

, you are truly lacking in math skills

I stand by my statement, prove it is false

99 percent of youth, black or otherwise are NOT COMMITTING VIOLENT CRIMES<,,

it always makes me tilt my head when non black people assume that people in the black community somehow don't concern themselves with crimes that black people commit merely because they concern themselves with crimes committed against blacks by WHITES who are NOT HELD ACCONTABLE

(major difference between 'black on black' crime and those interracial crimes in media)


I don't make the accusation against white folks who constantly try to highlight the violent 'subculture' of black folks,, allegedly

just because I don't hear them or see them in media being 'indignant' about the nearly 90 percent of white victims victimized by white folks

accountability? yeah,,, ok

let me explain, I and everyone I know, like the majority of every race,,,speak within their families and communities to try to set examples about good and responsible behavior

there will be criminals amongst black americans, like any other race will have criminals,, and we deal with that within our families and communities DIRECTLY,, because it is in our family and our community

but when things happen OUTSIDE our communities and families, than we have to also go OUTSIDE to ask that others hold theirs accountable as well

and the JUSTICE SYSTEM (notice I do not say white people or black people here) has a pretty strong history of holding our BLACK CRIMINALS accountable, regardless of the race of their victims

we don't always see the same being true in interracial crimes where the victim is minority killed by a non minority,,, I suspect, because of this underlying 'logical fallacy' that people carry around with them that minorities have a violent 'subculture',, causing fear and distrust often times leading to actions being justified and understood by others with that logical fallacy floating around in their subconscious...

my advice? 'your kids' re into 'thug culture' as well, try to take some responsibility for the parts of AMERICAN culture that infiltrate our youth instead of looking to scapegoat someone elses race with skewed statistics,,,

What country will help arm us against our feral problem?

lol,, well

Russia, Yugoslavia, the Ukraine, all have very low percentage of said 'ferals',,,

try moving there, IM sure there will be MUCH LESS VIOLENCE

I'll stay and join the war against the feral.

Which side will you take?

If you mean me, don't assume...I don't have to make assumptions about that of which I speak, I witness it every day with my own two eyes and I speak for myself...As with institutional racism, I can see both sides of the issue because I KNOW it exists....I can also see how you would feel compelled to defend yourself and other blacks here....But Harmony, even the fact that you are outnumbered does not justify the amount of spin you dish up...People are not that stupid and believe it or not, I agree with you much of the time...Even so, make no mistake, I never base those agreements on racism or black victimization by whites in control unless the facts support it and all too often they do not!....What I see in black communities throughout America is a terrible problem that imposes a negative impact on a "whole" society, not just a part of one....