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Topic: Zimmerman Murder case
msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 07/12/13 07:38 AM
Zimmerman had a gun and he sterotyped "T"! Zimmerman was a bit fearful so he used his gun. The murder could have been avoided. Zimmerman should get a lesser charge than manslaughter, but he should get at least 30 years. Thirty years for (not-quite)-Manslaughter? Yes, Zimmerman had the gun and he could have aimed for a leg not the heart. yep,for the Leg,especially for the Leg,since the Guy was on top of him,pummeling away! That Leg was at the Other End! all the Eyerolling won't change the fact,that it would have be impossible for Zimmermann to shoot Trayon into the Leg,owing to the relative position they were to each other! Well,maybe someone without any Firearmstraining might have accomplished that virtually impossible feat! would have been difficult to get the gun at all if most of what he originally said was true,, about where the gun was and how he was pinned down,,, another Magic Bullet-Theory? whats magical about questioning how one gets a gun, pinned near their back, if they are pinned themselves at the shoulders,,,,

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 07/12/13 07:38 AM
Zimmerman had a gun and he sterotyped "T"! Zimmerman was a bit fearful so he used his gun. The murder could have been avoided. Zimmerman should get a lesser charge than manslaughter, but he should get at least 30 years. Thirty years for (not-quite)-Manslaughter? Yes, Zimmerman had the gun and he could have aimed for a leg not the heart. yep,for the Leg,especially for the Leg,since the Guy was on top of him,pummeling away! That Leg was at the Other End! all the Eyerolling won't change the fact,that it would have be impossible for Zimmermann to shoot Trayon into the Leg,owing to the relative position they were to each other! Well,maybe someone without any Firearmstraining might have accomplished that virtually impossible feat! would have been difficult to get the gun at all if most of what he originally said was true,, about where the gun was and how he was pinned down,,, another Magic Bullet-Theory? whats magical about questioning how one gets a gun, pinned near their back, if they are pinned themselves at the shoulders,,,,

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 07/12/13 07:39 AM
We are going to court and charging you with second degree murder, then when we realize that we are going to probably not win a conviction we now want the judge to grant the option of the jury to consider convicting you of manslaughter or child abuse.. Maybe they can get him for talking on the cell phone while walking.. Im guessing not, since aggravated assault was not approved but lesser charges work that way, and manslaughter will be included,,, so,you propose to keep on trying the Guy under various Charges,until you arrive at the one who will convict him? Holy Moly! no, he is not being TRIED under various charges, he was charged with a crime that includes lesser crimes,,,, its not difficult,,, A lesser included offense shares some, but not all, of the elements of a greater criminal offense. Therefore, the greater offense cannot be committed without also committing the lesser offense. For example, Manslaughter is a lesser included offense of murder, assault is a lesser included offense of rape, and unlawful entry is a lesser included offense of Burglary. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Lesser+Included+Offense so,you say let's keep on trying him,sooner or later something will stick? I doubt that your take on that Legalistic stuff is even correct! It would fly into the face of US Justice! What you are proposing has been done in the Soviet-Sphere of Influence and in the Third Reich! That is not Justice,but rolling Dice with the "Crimes" on their Faces,and whichever comes up,bang,Guilty! To make it more interesting leave some Faces blank,so you'll get a free Roll of the Dice! no,, the TRIAL IS DONE,, noone is talking about trying him in the criminal court again, ,that would be double jeopardy the charges in question are relevant to THIS Trial,, just one Trial,, period,,, only problem is,that he is up on one Charge,and changing Horses in Midstream would be grounds for either a mistrial,or an outright dismissal! Can't have the Cake and eat it too,not under US-Law! YES YOU CAN because its a lesser crime,,,,good grief its not a DIFFERENT crime,, or a DIFFERENT charge its a charge that's INCLUDED in the original charge,,,

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 07/12/13 07:41 AM
This BS trial is only about race and politics. If dead thug had been white we'd never hear about it. Nobody here heard anything about my friend slicing and dicing his wife last year. It was no big production when 6 ferals gang-rapes a young teen. Yeah, she lives but, they injured for life. Question the motive behind all the media and Hussein's comments. difference being,, no one had to 'hear bout it' because 'justice' handled it ...... the reason people 'heard' about this was because there was almost no attempt at justice for the victims family,,,,

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Fri 07/12/13 08:29 AM
Racist and political.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 07/12/13 08:31 AM
justice and a family who lost a child,,,

Sojourning_Soul Joined Fri 02/13/09 Posts: 10767	Fri 07/12/13 08:55 AM Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Fri 07/12/13 09:01 AM
Racist and political. Absolutely! Only the blind can't see it! Two minorities, both Americans and the the King of divisive influence and his gun-grabber lobby fueling the whole media mess! You can't get any more political or phucked up thanks to the media presstitutes sympathetic to a power hungry bunch of politicos with an agenda in DC! Just like O campaigning for gun control over the bodies of 20 dead children at Sandy Hook! That didn't work, they're simply trying another route! Again, standing over the body of dead child. Why doesn't O stand and campaign over the bodies of the hundreds of children his drones have killed and see how that message comes across?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 07/12/13 09:04 AM
a family lost their child wars and drones and every other terrible thing in the world aside Im sure what matters to them is there is some attempt at justice I don't blame them, and Im glad their sons death wasn't brushed under some rug because the rest of the world isn't perfect,,,,

Sojourning_Soul Joined Fri 02/13/09 Posts: 10767	Fri 07/12/13 09:38 AM Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Fri 07/12/13 09:42 AM
a family lost their child wars and drones and every other terrible thing in the world aside Im sure what matters to them is there is some attempt at justice I don't blame them, and Im glad their sons death wasn't brushed under some rug because the rest of the world isn't perfect,,,, These kinds of crimes happen every day! And while the media has everyone focused on one death.... This administration is or has: Under investigation for Benghazi Placing drones in American skies Arming Al Queada rebels Moving more troops to the ME Sending aid (which is against the constitution) to support a military coup in Egypt instead of stopping it Defunding emergency readiness resources thru sequestration while boasting a deficit surplus Signing an executive order giving himself control and power over all communications devices and vehicles in the USA Using the IRS to victimize their opponents Having the NSA and DHS invade our privacy Militarizing local police forces Setting up unconstitutional road blocks, conducting illegal search and seizures Cutting the EBT program from the farm bill and defunding aid for the poor Hiding the now known costs and problems with funding the ACA etc etc etc How stoopid is the American public? Yep, pretty friggin stoopid!

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 07/12/13 09:41 AM
a family lost their child wars and drones and every other terrible thing in the world aside Im sure what matters to them is there is some attempt at justice I don't blame them, and Im glad their sons death wasn't brushed under some rug because the rest of the world isn't perfect,,,, These kinds of crimes happen every day! And while the media has everyone focused on one death.... This administration is or has: Under investigation for Benghazi Placing drones in American skies Arming Al Queada rebels Moving more troops to the ME Sending aid against (which is against the constitution) to support a military coup in Egypt instead of stopping it Defunding emergency readiness resources thru sequestration while boasting a deficit surplus Using the IRS to victimize their opponents Having the NSA and DHS invade our privacy Militarizing local police forces Setting up unconstitutional road blocks, conducting illegal search and seizures Cutting the EBT program from the farm bill and defunding aid for the poor Hiding the now known costs and problems with funding the ACA etc etc etc How stoopid is the American public? Yep, pretty friggin stoopid! so what would be done different in a perfect world,, Im curious would this childs death NOT be given ANY attention,, how much would be too much?> how much would be enough? how much time and attention to all the issues important to you? how much to all the other issues important to other people? who decides what the public should want to 'pay attention to' and which things are not quite so significant because they happen 'everyday'? the media is one resource, and it has several different stories about several different things at any given moment of the day we have cable, we have internet, we have vast resources to look up and research whatever is significant to us so what is the problem with people taking an interest in this case? does that somehow preclude their ability to also care about other things?

Sojourning_Soul Joined Fri 02/13/09 Posts: 10767	Fri 07/12/13 09:44 AM Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Fri 07/12/13 09:47 AM
a family lost their child wars and drones and every other terrible thing in the world aside Im sure what matters to them is there is some attempt at justice I don't blame them, and Im glad their sons death wasn't brushed under some rug because the rest of the world isn't perfect,,,, These kinds of crimes happen every day! And while the media has everyone focused on one death.... This administration is or has: Under investigation for Benghazi Placing drones in American skies Arming Al Queada rebels Moving more troops to the ME Sending aid against (which is against the constitution) to support a military coup in Egypt instead of stopping it Defunding emergency readiness resources thru sequestration while boasting a deficit surplus Using the IRS to victimize their opponents Having the NSA and DHS invade our privacy Militarizing local police forces Setting up unconstitutional road blocks, conducting illegal search and seizures Cutting the EBT program from the farm bill and defunding aid for the poor Hiding the now known costs and problems with funding the ACA etc etc etc How stoopid is the American public? Yep, pretty friggin stoopid! so what would be done different in a perfect world,, Im curious would this childs death NOT be given ANY attention,, how much would be too much?> how much would be enough? how much time and attention to all the issues important to you? how much to all the other issues important to other people? who decides what the public should want to 'pay attention to' and which things are not quite so significant because they happen 'everyday'? the media is one resource, and it has several different stories about several different things at any given moment of the day we have cable, we have internet, we have vast resources to look up and research whatever is significant to us so what is the problem with people taking an interest in this case? does that somehow preclude their ability to also care about other things? One simple answer.....THAT'S WHAT COURTS ARE FOR! If it wasn't for the political issues of gun control or stand your ground laws....this wouldn't be news!

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 07/12/13 09:50 AM Edited by msharmony on Fri 07/12/13 09:51 AM
and that's what coverage of TRIALS is for,,lol people have a pretty reasonable desire to see how the courts handle things what on earth is the problem with that? if it wasn't for the fact a family had a child shot and no charges seemed to be imminent, we would not have heard about this case,,,

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 07/12/13 09:53 AM
who decides what the public should want to 'pay attention to' and which things are not quite so significant because they happen 'everyday'? The Elite money lenders who own and control the Media decide what to hypnotize the people with. so what is the problem with people taking an interest in this case? does that somehow preclude their ability to also care about other things? People would not be the least bit interested in this case if it were not all over the freaking media as a distraction from what is really going on in this country. so what would be done different in a perfect world,, Im curious No such thing as a perfect world, but aren't you sick of the Zimmerman case? I AM!!! What should be done is focusing on the real world issues and giving some equal coverage to the things Sojourning_Soul listed above. we have cable, we have internet, we have vast resources to look up and research whatever is significant to us Believe it or not, in order to "look something up" you have to know about it. Believe it or not there is a very large part of society that do not get their news from the Internet.

Sojourning_Soul Joined Fri 02/13/09 Posts: 10767	Fri 07/12/13 09:57 AM Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Fri 07/12/13 10:01 AM
and that's what coverage of TRIALS is for,,lol people have a pretty reasonable desire to see how the courts handle things what on earth is the problem with that? if it wasn't for the fact a family had a child shot and no charges seemed to be imminent, we would not have heard about this case,,, The problem with that is funneled info! If you want to talk about one case of assault or death you must talk about them all or your opinions are biased! ANOTHER OPINION COULD BE THEY ARE RACIST...OR A BIGOT.... OR HAVE AN AGENDA

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 07/12/13 09:58 AM
Im not sick of the Z case, and guess what, I have to actually LOOK for it to see the coverage of it meanwhile, thousands of news networks on the radio/internet/cable are still covering other events,,, its not that much of a conflict or a problem

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 07/12/13 09:59 AM
and that's what coverage of TRIALS is for,,lol people have a pretty reasonable desire to see how the courts handle things what on earth is the problem with that? if it wasn't for the fact a family had a child shot and no charges seemed to be imminent, we would not have heard about this case,,, The problem with that is funneled info! If you want to talk about one case of assault or death you must talk about them all or your opinions are biased! oh nonsense how can any person or medium possibly cover EVERY case of death, or murder or anything else in the WORLD ,,,,cant people determine that that's not practical or realistic to expect?

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 07/12/13 10:00 AM
and that's what coverage of TRIALS is for,,lol people have a pretty reasonable desire to see how the courts handle things what on earth is the problem with that? if it wasn't for the fact a family had a child shot and no charges seemed to be imminent, we would not have heard about this case,,, That is not the reason we heard about this case. This case is about the government's effort to convince people that only the cops and the government should be toting guns. But more importantly, it is a distraction from the many things the government does not want the Media or the public to focus on. What they allow the media to report and focus on is a bunch of pretty meaningless events. Yes meaningless. The outcome of this particular case does very little to effect National or world events. It is being made into a drama that keeps the public's eyes away from government corruption, war mongering, government sponsored terrorism by the Arming Al Queada rebels, Benghazi, invasion of our privacy, and all that crucially important stuff that is happening to this country. And yet people sit like zombies and watch this stupid trial.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 07/12/13 10:03 AM Edited by msharmony on Fri 07/12/13 10:04 AM
and that's what coverage of TRIALS is for,,lol people have a pretty reasonable desire to see how the courts handle things what on earth is the problem with that? if it wasn't for the fact a family had a child shot and no charges seemed to be imminent, we would not have heard about this case,,, That is not the reason we heard about this case. This case is about the government's effort to convince people that only the cops and the government should be toting guns. But more importantly, it is a distraction from the many things the government does not want the Media or the public to focus on. What they allow the media to report and focus on is a bunch of pretty meaningless events. Yes meaningless. The outcome of this particular case does very little to effect National or world events. It is being made into a drama that keeps the public's eyes away from government corruption, war mongering, government sponsored terrorism by the Arming Al Queada rebels, Benghazi, invasion of our privacy, and all that crucially important stuff that is happening to this country. And yet people sit like zombies and watch this stupid trial. well, I don't agree that trying to get justice for a dead kid is stupid,,,, or that it was some collective 'government' idea to seek justice it was two parents who wanted to make sure their kid got justice so they took it to those who could get a spotlight pur on it,,, with everyone watching, people try harder to appear they are making an attempt at justice its not a pointless trial to me nor is it to many parents a meaningless trial,,,it , like many trials, has the potential to set a PRECEDENT,,,, so, like I said, its a matter of whats important to each individual, and because it may not be important to some, doesn't make it stupid of others for whom it is,,,, its personal priorities about what matters and doesn't matter,, justice for this kid matters to many,, and I don't find that stupid at all,,

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Fri 07/12/13 10:03 AM
If dead thug was white would non-whites want justice for the family?

Sojourning_Soul Joined Fri 02/13/09 Posts: 10767	Fri 07/12/13 10:04 AM
and that's what coverage of TRIALS is for,,lol people have a pretty reasonable desire to see how the courts handle things what on earth is the problem with that? if it wasn't for the fact a family had a child shot and no charges seemed to be imminent, we would not have heard about this case,,, The problem with that is funneled info! If you want to talk about one case of assault or death you must talk about them all or your opinions are biased! oh nonsense how can any person or medium possibly cover EVERY case of death, or murder or anything else in the WORLD ,,,,cant people determine that that's not practical or realistic to expect? So you are saying that if it doesn't have a vehicle for racism, prejudice or a gov't agenda every other death shouldn't receive as much attention? NOW THAT'S NONSENSE!