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Someone2callmyown
We have elections to decide representation. Have had them for hundreds of years. I'm merely stating the realities and not parrotting cable news talking points and overly simplistic slogans. No, what you are doing is stating the obvious. Everyone knows we have elections to decide representation. |
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Not much has changed. We hate the IRS. Of course no one likes being forced to pay their fair share for living in this society. The wealthy least of all. applying force is a term for despots in a dicataorship - a term we accuse other countries of but yes it does go on here in America force is illegal but they get away with it somehow we should not be forced to give up money that we have earned unless we have a direct say in how it is spent - including a formula where politicicans cannot make more than the average salary in their jusrisdiction - nor can their medical benefits or retirements exceed the average |
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Someone2callmyown
We have elections to decide representation. Have had them for hundreds of years. I'm merely stating the realities and not parrotting cable news talking points and overly simplistic slogans. No, what you are doing is stating the obvious. Everyone knows we have elections to decide representation. the problem with them is that they are often as not full of empty promises |
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Someone2callmyown
We have elections to decide representation. Have had them for hundreds of years. I'm merely stating the realities and not parrotting cable news talking points and overly simplistic slogans. No, what you are doing is stating the obvious. Everyone knows we have elections to decide representation. Apparently not. Sweetestgirl11: "we are most definitely over taxed and it is taxation without representation because we get no day in how OUR money is spent." |
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Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, and our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids." People payed taxes 100 years ago. People payed taxes before this nation existed as well. And before that as well.... People have payed taxes since the first civilization came into existence. what does that have to do with anything, read waht was said. it was a list of taxes that did not exist 100 years ago. no one said people did not pay taxes then. It is disgusting how deep and long the thievery has gotten It has everything to do with it. Just because there is a list of taxes does not mean that the overall tax rates were lower. Also, society had less services 100 years ago. Many things that make life so nice now did not exist back then. calling serious bullshsyte on this one - we had fewer taxes thw and a wealthier middle class. it is not "many things that make life nicer" that we are paying for - it is pork barrel gov't projects, overpaid politicians and freeloaders that we are paying for that we weren't paying for back then |
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Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, and our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids." People payed taxes 100 years ago. People payed taxes before this nation existed as well. And before that as well.... People have payed taxes since the first civilization came into existence. what does that have to do with anything, read waht was said. it was a list of taxes that did not exist 100 years ago. no one said people did not pay taxes then. It is disgusting how deep and long the thievery has gotten It has everything to do with it. Just because there is a list of taxes does not mean that the overall tax rates were lower. Also, society had less services 100 years ago. Many things that make life so nice now did not exist back then. Most people who scrape up money they can't afford to pay taxes have no clue how the government wastes their money. Sure some things are taken care of, but so much money is wasted. Its a damn shame the amount of taxes we pay. Money is losing its value, food and gas prices are going up... and still they want taxes. where is that dammed robinhood when we need him - kicking it with the caped crusader in the back of the batmobile prolly...lol :) |
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Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, and our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids." People payed taxes 100 years ago. People payed taxes before this nation existed as well. And before that as well.... People have payed taxes since the first civilization came into existence. what does that have to do with anything, read waht was said. it was a list of taxes that did not exist 100 years ago. no one said people did not pay taxes then. It is disgusting how deep and long the thievery has gotten It has everything to do with it. Just because there is a list of taxes does not mean that the overall tax rates were lower. Also, society had less services 100 years ago. Many things that make life so nice now did not exist back then. Most people who scrape up money they can't afford to pay taxes have no clue how the government wastes their money. Sure some things are taken care of, but so much money is wasted. Its a damn shame the amount of taxes we pay. Money is losing its value, food and gas prices are going up... and still they want taxes. Many people don't know a lot of things. Makes no difference. Many people cannot program a computer or build an engine. That does not change anything. People can debate what they consider government waste. Most people disagree on what that is. The vast portion of government spending goes on defense spending. Some people do not consider that "waste". Some do. Taxes have been higher. What they label "defense spending" is not really defense of this country. It is aggression. It is used to fight wars for the corporations. It is building urban ASSAULT vehicles and tanks WE DO NOT NEED. it's $40 light bulbs that take 8 forms to request and civil servants who spend the day playing hang man and reading the paper... |
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In the past, people found things to do to make a living. Before there were corporations and jobs... they sold cattle, broke horses, build wagons, tilled the fields, planted food, hunted, etc. Now everyone sits around doing nothing because there are no jobs? I say get up off your butts and find something to do and stop whining about there not being any jobs. Well, starting a business is a lot different than starting a hobby. Businesses require money and permits and red-tape and things of that nature. Legal ones anyways. The system is stacked by the wealthy against the common person. It's the iron law of oligarchy. But hobbies are good. If one can get into one that doesn't cost a lot of money. All I am hearing from you is BUT BUT BUT BUT.... 
The question is: What if there was no such thing as Jobs? NO JOBS ANYWHERE. People are going to do what they have to do to make a living. They are going to get into trading, hunting, planting, or some service or business.. etc. People are not going to sit around whining about no jobs when they need to do something to survive. Unfortunately some will turn to crime. Government is not going to be able to do much about it when people start businesses without the "proper permits and red tape." That is all about taxes. If there are no jobs, there can't really be any taxes. I don't get why you are so against taxes.. taxes are what made this country the greatest all around... there is no place in this world where you don't have to pay taxes, and they help keep our country great. so why the big issue with taxes? Because it's extortion? Because it's theft? The government tells us we have to do something to make a living, but why can they be bums and make their money off of us??? Double standard much? Taxes did not and do not make this country the best, if you really think that I suggest you take the rose colored glasses off and look around again. They just exist to keep the rich rich and the poor poor, hell 2 percent of the US controls over 90 percent of the wealth! How can a country be great if so much of its' people is either straddling the poverty line or far below it? When did this thing called "taxes" begin? How are roads and bridges built and schools and firestations and police paid for? btw. It is not extortion and it is not theft.... The hell it's not, forcing you to pay them money you EARNED against your will, is theft doesn't matter how you wanna justify it. They are nothing more than a glorified mafia, they act the same exact way. And if you think that money they get really goes to what they say, you're very naive. This country would NOT be in the shape its' in if it did. Ever wonder why they constantly say they're losing money? Constantly needing to raise our taxes higher? Where the hell is the money going? It's a nice thought that they give a damn about things and actually are honest about what they do with our money, but reality is they are just not. Notice they are not made to disclose how they spend, but we are? We can't get away with half the secrecy they do, why would that be? Things are not what they seem. you should find somewhere that makes you happy... it obviously isn't here... he has every right to be here with a protected freedom of conscience and freedom of speech to think and say as he pleases regardless of what you think of it dissension is what has made this country great. we are completely and disgustlingly overtaxed. gov't spending needs to halved by requirement - starting with salary and bennies and for that taxes that do remain we the tas payers need to be able to earmark how we want th money spent on the tax form with an independent auditor NOT the IRS - which is close to being abolished, I think - overseeing the process then the politicians can find real jobs and answer the OP "We" are not "overtaxed". That is political rhetoric. And the young man speaks of being self-reliant and living without any government. By all means, he can prove his point by doing so..... we are most definitely over taxed and it is taxation without representation because we get no day in how OUR money is spent. my family was involved in military contracting so I have firsthand expereince with gov't waste in spending. so I KNOW firsthand we are over taxed to the max. you must be gov't no one should get lifetime medical care at my expense our young friend is under no obligation to prove anything to you, neither am I nor is anyone else. that is a weak distraction from some of his very valid points. Because he is young means he cannot have an opinion. There are actually state gov'ts that do quite well with little or no income tax. Plus I really think a lot of people feel they are not getting what we are paying for back on our taxes as so much of it goes to pay for programs working , middle class Americans do not need to benefit from. that's a picture with a problem. I see another gov't furlough coming up. have a good vacay I think that people should always live up to the values that they claim to believe in. I think it would be a great example to all of humanity for someone to be able to survive without any government. I could support that. I wonder why more people have not tried it..... Okay, you "think" and "feel" a lot of things. That's great. Opinions are good. Can you cite anything specific? |
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Community gardens and month long hunting trips. old school. on top of that, everything would go back to being handmade. but somehow, someway I doubt much would change fundamentally from how things are now as opposed to a world with out jobs.
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Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, and our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids." People payed taxes 100 years ago. People payed taxes before this nation existed as well. And before that as well.... People have payed taxes since the first civilization came into existence. what does that have to do with anything, read waht was said. it was a list of taxes that did not exist 100 years ago. no one said people did not pay taxes then. It is disgusting how deep and long the thievery has gotten It has everything to do with it. Just because there is a list of taxes does not mean that the overall tax rates were lower. Also, society had less services 100 years ago. Many things that make life so nice now did not exist back then. calling serious bullshsyte on this one - we had fewer taxes thw and a wealthier middle class. it is not "many things that make life nicer" that we are paying for - it is pork barrel gov't projects, overpaid politicians and freeloaders that we are paying for that we weren't paying for back then Fewer taxes does not mean less taxes. The size of the middle class has changed many times over the decades. The rhetoric sounds great. Too bad the answers arn't so simple. |
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Community gardens and month long hunting trips. old school. on top of that, everything would go back to being handmade. but somehow, someway I doubt much would change fundamentally from how things are now as opposed to a world with out jobs. I'm pretty sure the hunter-gatherer lifestyle wasn't as appealing as it seems in hindsight. |
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And in Biblical times people hated the tax collector. Many people hated Jesus too. Many people hate the rain. Many people hate cold weather. People hate a lot of things. Does not make it unneccessary. actually I have no hatred in these matters. In fact believe it or not , I do not support the gov't furloughs because it hurts the civil servants who are the real workforce providing our services - who are making $12, $13 / hr who really cannot afford not to be at work...it's the fat cats that need furloughed it is just that kind of backward lack of common sense thinking that unethically supports the finance of power - the take - not the earned that sticks in my craw. I protest the injustice and love my cuontry because I can do that here. but hatred? no. no haters allowed :) I don't even hate the fat cats. I say render unto ceasar what is ceasars just like jesus says....but look what happened to Rome when ceasar asked too much |
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In the past, people found things to do to make a living. Before there were corporations and jobs... they sold cattle, broke horses, build wagons, tilled the fields, planted food, hunted, etc. Now everyone sits around doing nothing because there are no jobs? I say get up off your butts and find something to do and stop whining about there not being any jobs.  I'd figure it out pretty quickly. I'm not a bad angler either...and could make myself clean one if I absolutely had to. 
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i would of loved those days... problem is.. people dont trade work anymore..that is in response to origional post.. i did not read any of the comments
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In the past, people found things to do to make a living. Before there were corporations and jobs... they sold cattle, broke horses, build wagons, tilled the fields, planted food, hunted, etc. Now everyone sits around doing nothing because there are no jobs? I say get up off your butts and find something to do and stop whining about there not being any jobs. Well, starting a business is a lot different than starting a hobby. Businesses require money and permits and red-tape and things of that nature. Legal ones anyways. The system is stacked by the wealthy against the common person. It's the iron law of oligarchy. But hobbies are good. If one can get into one that doesn't cost a lot of money. All I am hearing from you is BUT BUT BUT BUT....
The question is: What if there was no such thing as Jobs? NO JOBS ANYWHERE. People are going to do what they have to do to make a living. They are going to get into trading, hunting, planting, or some service or business.. etc. People are not going to sit around whining about no jobs when they need to do something to survive. Unfortunately some will turn to crime. Government is not going to be able to do much about it when people start businesses without the "proper permits and red tape." That is all about taxes. If there are no jobs, there can't really be any taxes. I don't get why you are so against taxes.. taxes are what made this country the greatest all around... there is no place in this world where you don't have to pay taxes, and they help keep our country great. so why the big issue with taxes? Because it's extortion? Because it's theft? The government tells us we have to do something to make a living, but why can they be bums and make their money off of us??? Double standard much? Taxes did not and do not make this country the best, if you really think that I suggest you take the rose colored glasses off and look around again. They just exist to keep the rich rich and the poor poor, hell 2 percent of the US controls over 90 percent of the wealth! How can a country be great if so much of its' people is either straddling the poverty line or far below it? When did this thing called "taxes" begin? How are roads and bridges built and schools and firestations and police paid for? btw. It is not extortion and it is not theft.... The hell it's not, forcing you to pay them money you EARNED against your will, is theft doesn't matter how you wanna justify it. They are nothing more than a glorified mafia, they act the same exact way. And if you think that money they get really goes to what they say, you're very naive. This country would NOT be in the shape its' in if it did. Ever wonder why they constantly say they're losing money? Constantly needing to raise our taxes higher? Where the hell is the money going? It's a nice thought that they give a damn about things and actually are honest about what they do with our money, but reality is they are just not. Notice they are not made to disclose how they spend, but we are? We can't get away with half the secrecy they do, why would that be? Things are not what they seem. you should find somewhere that makes you happy... it obviously isn't here... he has every right to be here with a protected freedom of conscience and freedom of speech to think and say as he pleases regardless of what you think of it dissension is what has made this country great. we are completely and disgustlingly overtaxed. gov't spending needs to halved by requirement - starting with salary and bennies and for that taxes that do remain we the tas payers need to be able to earmark how we want th money spent on the tax form with an independent auditor NOT the IRS - which is close to being abolished, I think - overseeing the process then the politicians can find real jobs and answer the OP "We" are not "overtaxed". That is political rhetoric. And the young man speaks of being self-reliant and living without any government. By all means, he can prove his point by doing so..... we are most definitely over taxed and it is taxation without representation because we get no day in how OUR money is spent. my family was involved in military contracting so I have firsthand expereince with gov't waste in spending. so I KNOW firsthand we are over taxed to the max. you must be gov't no one should get lifetime medical care at my expense our young friend is under no obligation to prove anything to you, neither am I nor is anyone else. that is a weak distraction from some of his very valid points. Because he is young means he cannot have an opinion. There are actually state gov'ts that do quite well with little or no income tax. Plus I really think a lot of people feel they are not getting what we are paying for back on our taxes as so much of it goes to pay for programs working , middle class Americans do not need to benefit from. that's a picture with a problem. I see another gov't furlough coming up. have a good vacay I think that people should always live up to the values that they claim to believe in. I think it would be a great example to all of humanity for someone to be able to survive without any government. I could support that. I wonder why more people have not tried it..... Okay, you "think" and "feel" a lot of things. That's great. Opinions are good. Can you cite anything specific? is there a specific reason why I should? I have been specific in terms of things happening in this country and my idea waht could be, but no, not I am not going to do research for your benefit (sounds like a gov't request...a little free research at my expense? good luck with that) lol. this is a discussion forum not a research paper. it is really not that important to me, but I do read the papers everyday - and at least 2 other news sources almost everyday npr, reuters, cnn, msn, yahoo, local paper, and bunch of specialty stuff in the environment and energy policy- and have a fair background - so I'm good. if my opinons are not good enough talk to someone who you'd prefer, I guess. I do not debate. sorry I have opinions but no, no feelings about any of this. there you are incorrect |
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Community gardens and month long hunting trips. old school. on top of that, everything would go back to being handmade. but somehow, someway I doubt much would change fundamentally from how things are now as opposed to a world with out jobs. but there really is no such thing as a world without jobs. anything you do that generates revenue or puts food on the table is a "job" :) |
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In the past, people found things to do to make a living. Before there were corporations and jobs... they sold cattle, broke horses, build wagons, tilled the fields, planted food, hunted, etc. Now everyone sits around doing nothing because there are no jobs? I say get up off your butts and find something to do and stop whining about there not being any jobs. Well, starting a business is a lot different than starting a hobby. Businesses require money and permits and red-tape and things of that nature. Legal ones anyways. The system is stacked by the wealthy against the common person. It's the iron law of oligarchy. But hobbies are good. If one can get into one that doesn't cost a lot of money. All I am hearing from you is BUT BUT BUT BUT....
The question is: What if there was no such thing as Jobs? NO JOBS ANYWHERE. People are going to do what they have to do to make a living. They are going to get into trading, hunting, planting, or some service or business.. etc. People are not going to sit around whining about no jobs when they need to do something to survive. Unfortunately some will turn to crime. Government is not going to be able to do much about it when people start businesses without the "proper permits and red tape." That is all about taxes. If there are no jobs, there can't really be any taxes. I don't get why you are so against taxes.. taxes are what made this country the greatest all around... there is no place in this world where you don't have to pay taxes, and they help keep our country great. so why the big issue with taxes? Because it's extortion? Because it's theft? The government tells us we have to do something to make a living, but why can they be bums and make their money off of us??? Double standard much? Taxes did not and do not make this country the best, if you really think that I suggest you take the rose colored glasses off and look around again. They just exist to keep the rich rich and the poor poor, hell 2 percent of the US controls over 90 percent of the wealth! How can a country be great if so much of its' people is either straddling the poverty line or far below it? When did this thing called "taxes" begin? How are roads and bridges built and schools and firestations and police paid for? btw. It is not extortion and it is not theft.... The hell it's not, forcing you to pay them money you EARNED against your will, is theft doesn't matter how you wanna justify it. They are nothing more than a glorified mafia, they act the same exact way. And if you think that money they get really goes to what they say, you're very naive. This country would NOT be in the shape its' in if it did. Ever wonder why they constantly say they're losing money? Constantly needing to raise our taxes higher? Where the hell is the money going? It's a nice thought that they give a damn about things and actually are honest about what they do with our money, but reality is they are just not. Notice they are not made to disclose how they spend, but we are? We can't get away with half the secrecy they do, why would that be? Things are not what they seem. you should find somewhere that makes you happy... it obviously isn't here... he has every right to be here with a protected freedom of conscience and freedom of speech to think and say as he pleases regardless of what you think of it dissension is what has made this country great. we are completely and disgustlingly overtaxed. gov't spending needs to halved by requirement - starting with salary and bennies and for that taxes that do remain we the tas payers need to be able to earmark how we want th money spent on the tax form with an independent auditor NOT the IRS - which is close to being abolished, I think - overseeing the process then the politicians can find real jobs and answer the OP "We" are not "overtaxed". That is political rhetoric. And the young man speaks of being self-reliant and living without any government. By all means, he can prove his point by doing so..... we are most definitely over taxed and it is taxation without representation because we get no day in how OUR money is spent. my family was involved in military contracting so I have firsthand expereince with gov't waste in spending. so I KNOW firsthand we are over taxed to the max. you must be gov't no one should get lifetime medical care at my expense our young friend is under no obligation to prove anything to you, neither am I nor is anyone else. that is a weak distraction from some of his very valid points. Because he is young means he cannot have an opinion. There are actually state gov'ts that do quite well with little or no income tax. Plus I really think a lot of people feel they are not getting what we are paying for back on our taxes as so much of it goes to pay for programs working , middle class Americans do not need to benefit from. that's a picture with a problem. I see another gov't furlough coming up. have a good vacay I think that people should always live up to the values that they claim to believe in. I think it would be a great example to all of humanity for someone to be able to survive without any government. I could support that. I wonder why more people have not tried it..... Okay, you "think" and "feel" a lot of things. That's great. Opinions are good. Can you cite anything specific? is there a specific reason why I should? I have been specific in terms of things happening in this country and my idea waht could be, but no, not I am not going to do research for your benefit (sounds like a gov't request...a little free research at my expense? good luck with that) lol. this is a discussion forum not a research paper. it is really not that important to me, but I do read the papers everyday - and at least 2 other news sources almost everyday npr, reuters, cnn, msn, yahoo, local paper, and bunch of specialty stuff in the environment and energy policy- and have a fair background - so I'm good. if my opinons are not good enough talk to someone who you'd prefer, I guess. I do not debate. sorry I have opinions but no, no feelings about any of this. there you are incorrect    
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What I mean by "jobs" is the idea that a person cannot make a living unless they have a "job" working for someone else.
People are brought up to think that is how it is done. Go to school, then go get a job working for someone else. That's it. Are we nothing more than cogs in the wheel? Working jobs we probably hate at some factory or for some corporation? Is that what life is all about? So if you can't find a job, what do you do? Nothing? |
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What I mean by "jobs" is the idea that a person cannot make a living unless they have a "job" working for someone else. People are brought up to think that is how it is done. Go to school, then go get a job working for someone else. That's it. Are we nothing more than cogs in the wheel? Working jobs we probably hate at some factory or for some corporation? Is that what life is all about? So if you can't find a job, what do you do? Nothing? People should strive to work for themselves but it is very difficult to stay clear of government interference. People earning a bare living wage should be free of all taxes. Taxing low earners is disgraceful. |
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just like not everyone is cut out for college, not everyone is cut out to be their own boss,,,people have different strengths and personalities and needs
very few people are going to find a niche they can work themsel that isnt going to take an investment of money (that they dont have) which will generate the resources(money) they need to provice for their home its not bad, for a single person only caring for themself, but for people with families it is not quite as realistic |
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