okay.

Redmond,

As I think about a man getting upset about Cosmo... I'd have to ask him what the real issue is. Is he afraid I'd follow something in a magazine and does he trust my judgement? I suppose if I were a man upset about the magazine, I'd ask questions as to what she enjoys from reading it. Then maybe I'd find something we could read together occassionally. I'd want my marriage to be happy and full of love. Cooking dinner or making dessert together sounds like it could be fun. Reading together about something that we are both interested in could be fun too. Your friend needs to ask himself what is really important. Ask anyone about 9-11 and somethings aren't really as important as we make them. I once read about a child's clean room....and the question was IS it really THAT important compared to other issues like drugs? Once you get things into perspective... a magazine can't be all that damaging if your friend trusts his spouse to make good decisions. Her friend can only destroy the relationship if his wife allows that to happen. Communication is the key to making a great marriage, and sometimes we have to overlook the small stuff to get to the GREAT stuff in our lives.

A traditional man is not for every woman.
As you now can see.

I can understand everything EXCEPT his expectations for his cooked meal in specific hours everyday. Never!

Many married couples socialize with other couples because a wild single party friend has to either acknowledge and respect that things have changed or walk away. That I can understand..

what do you mean?

May I ask how it is you know so much about this couple?

And where does a single male friend, (you) fit into this scenario?

How is it you know so much of their intimate workings of their marriage?

Just curious...as to where you fit...as it seems a single female friend is not ok..but a single male friend is..are you related to these people?

oopsy--it seems jess got a good point--

Humm after reading this thread I think my question first is Redmmond this man yur talking about with his old fashoion ways would that happen to be you. sind yhou seemt to have all the insights how the man feels and does bout none on tbe woman.


Now sorry I totaly disagree with all of it. One He now is gonna telll her what reading materierl she is allowed too read. Hummm what is wrong with this pic. Sorry but there is no man woma chicld ect that will tell me what I can and can not read ain't gonnna happen. NOT IN THIS LIFE TIME.

And there meal deal awww you can very well ask me to have dinner ready byt this certain time dont mean it will happen but you can ask don't demand it from me if I'm with someone ask me to do anything and I will gladly help out and do it but tell me I have to sorry I had parents for that. No one has cotrol over me and I will not bend down and be there pupppet. Just beause she is not working he thinks he has control over her and her bodygood luck andsh happen

Amigo. If you tell a nowadays woman do not read a book? She will say: "Can I go to pee. please? And all her female friends, and men who want to screw her, will chain her up. Now she will start to look for every day to defy her husband. U ever hear: "This is a woman's World?"

Men in trouble right now in many ways. When I see female magazine around I read them if I have time.

If I reach home first or at home before a working wife comes home, I am anxious to cook something for her to eat because I know she is coming hungry and I naturally want to do something to protect and nurture her. When U love someone U do these things naturally. So she refusing to do that is because in her head, and what her friends put in, she is saying: "He feel he married a maid or what?" she doesn't understand that the ORIGINAL was that the man takes care of her so that she can take care or him where the female is responsible for properly feeding the family.

About the friend (or lover?) calling her out to a bar or whereever? She is showing that she was not ready for a committment. And she is fuelling a break up to take all his wealth in Court as she will be advised to by deceitful men and women who hate men or who are naive or gullible. So if he does the same, they are going different directions in a crossroad which both leads to marriage on the rocks.

I am afraid that woman is not ready yet for a comitted relationship. When she has passed through about 10 breakups, then she will realize that she was wrong and now ready to be agreeable.

Unless OLDER OR OTHER women tell her to behave herself she will not change. And other women except maybe her mother, will not tell her that. Sorry

redmond, that friend you are talking about seems to be yourself. as for telling a woman what to read where do you get off anyway. never tell a woman she must have you food fixed and waiting at a certain time, you might ask her if she can do it. another item you could fix dinner on occasion give her the day off, other times you could both do some cooking togeather. you should be able to have a night out with the boys on occasion, that should apply to her she should be able to have a night out with the girls. any relationship is a two way street.

you know this is a load of $h*t about the supposed traditional man................my mother was a stay at home mom there were six of us kids my dad of course was the breadwinner..........my mom always had meals and took care of the house and mainly us kids my dad did the male things like the vehicles and the yard that kind of stuff.....my dad never told my mom whatto read or when to have the meals and she didn't tell him what to read or what kind of job to have.........in fact my father defered to my mother for most of the decisions....when we asked my dad for something or permission on something the most common phrase was go ask your mother in fact if my dad needed money he defered to my mother as she paid the bills....it was the same for most of my friends that came from the same type of families(ie stay at home mom working dad) this is a traditional marriage to a traditional man not your screwed up scenario........

here is a personal example of a "traditional" marriage. My ex was a stay at home mom, two kids, 11 and 13. I left for work just before 6:00am and returned after 6:00 pm...12 hours. she was never out of bed when I left, and glued to the tv when I returned. If I got breakfast, I fixed it myself. Same with lunch. As for supper, sometime around 8:00 she would either fix some 'burger helper or have the 13 yo fix something while she watched the soaps whe recorded while watching soaps on another channel. she had "girls night out" on Friday night come hell or high water. Sat nite was my night to cook...lol..we went out to dinner. Girls nite out Fri turned into girls nite out about three nights a week...turned into boy friends...only friends, she said..then she moved out with one of them. That is a traditional marriage?

I refuse to stay at home to cook and clean all day

Haha I used to keep all my Womens Day and Cosmo etc in the bathroom....my ex and his friends would sit in there for hours reading that crap!!! I know this because they would quote things out of the same magazines!!!

Man, I'd give *anything* to be a stay at home mom.

Ok, not really. Maybe? I have no idea anymore.

Gender roles are so confusing these days. Women's lib isn't really all that, but hey, that's another thread for another day.

I hope your friends work out a good compromise.

Cheers!

i TRIED being a stay at home wife......I got bored.....real fast!!!! I need people!!!! I need to be out making my own money!!!!!

That doesn't surprise me about you, gyps! You didn't like not having your own income?

I hated "asking" for money...they always say.."what do you need to buy"??? geeeeeeeez I want to buy some new clothes etc.....oh here is a $20!!!! uhhhhhhhh ya that will buy the belt honey but uhhhhhhhhh I need mo cash aite???

I don't call that traditional...I call that controlling and no I couldn't nor would I handle it....Control is not what marriage is all about...It's about both people being in a partnership and a partnership does not equal just one partners needs being met!!!!!!!!!

I grew up in the same scenario as ice princess but with three kids.my mother ran the household,paid the bills.My dad worked three jobs and still got up and cooked us kids breakfast on the weekends or helped my mom with the housework and us kids.My Dad is what a real,traditional man is all about.