I don't think there's any great secret to it. Flattery will get you everywhere. The problem with the "being playful" thing though is that if you want a man to think that you really like him you don't want to come across as if you are only joking around or just trying to be nice. Men are every bit as insecure as women. Possibly more so.

Good for you.
Anyone who would 'run away in disgust', would have to be insane.
You are one fine woman. Externally as well as inside. I see a fine woman with a big heart.

Thank you so much, willing2... your kind and flattering words are heartfelt...

I'm learning as I go, tawt, and I do appreciate your words of wisdom, as I know you are well meaning in trying to help me see...

I think Trev is talking from a perspective of an anthropological and centuries of mainstream cultural norms, point-of-view... and in that, I couldn't agree with him more.
(Forgive me Trev if I've over-stepped.)

Still, nowadays we strive to move beyond those standards... sometimes it works out well... other times, not so much.

But when folks strive and don't achieve "success", it doesn't prove or disprove any one approach over the other.
It's in the understanding the struggle to begin with, that will bring peeps some insight.
Know your foe... which is generally yerself.

Biology is part of us all... we can't escape it.
Rational thinking also has it's place.
Patriarchy/Matriarchy are often misunderstood... especially in modern, Westernized thinking.

Balance is the natural order of things... always has been.
And therefore who asks who out on a date is virtually irrelevant.
But biology always needs to be respected.
Figure that part out and you'll get yerself Nobel recognition
(Please send all disagreements to Charles... I don't wanna hear it. haha.)

In short; it's your life... live it the way that you want. But there's always someone who gonna have a different point of view... prolly even in the very one that you're attracted to.
Whether or not you choose to fight or love through it all,
friction will always remain.
Love can conquer that friction in it's sleep... jmho.

It never easy getting shot down. That is the reason a friend of mind hardly ask any girls out.

If that's the way you want to take. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, so obviously there are exceptions.

But, how many women in this thread said they don't or wouldn't ever approach a man and start a conversation? There were one or two that said they would, but the majority said they wouldn't. Women are generally not good at it because they never do it. It's a skill that must be learned and practiced.

I used to be shy. But, then one day I decided I was going to solve my woman problems. I made a commitment to talking to 100 different women I'd never spoken with before (something I'd never done even once). I dressed myself up nice, went to the most crowded bars I could find and spoke to 10 women a night, two nights a week, for five weeks. I kept a diary, noting what went well and what didn't. By the end of the first night, starting a conversation was easy. After the second night I was getting phone numbers. After the fourth night, I started getting laid. Before the end, I was having threesomes with very attractive women half my age! I discovered a pattern that got results and all I had to do was go through the steps.

Confidence comes from success.

Love and the beginning of the thought of romance is fair game and anyone should be able to ask anyone.

When I think of the great relationships I would have missed out on because she didn't ask me instead of me asking her I shutter. The most important relationships in my life were through the woman asking me. I would have completely missed the opportunity if these encounters would have been left up to me.

Plus my women knew who and what they wanted and that showed this less than secure guy how to be more aware.

I didn't learn how to treat women through the man's club but by caring women and their graciousness. I'm glad this was my training as I have seen a lot of guys with some pretty odd concepts of what women are, and not only do I not hang out with these guys but don't find it enjoyable to hang out with gals who have been pretrained by these guys.

Whether or not you choose to fight or love through it all,
friction will always remain.
Love can conquer that friction in it's sleep... jmho.


I agree...

I like flirting and do it every chance I get. Doesn't mean I even go beyond the flirt.

Yesterday, I was in the grocery store and was listening to the piped music. An old, slow song came on and I was taken up. I noticed a woman was swaying a little with it also.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIKZU_rvU64
We wound up dancing the whole song in the middle of the grocery isle.
It was over, we hugged and went our separate ways.

I didn't even get her name, dang it.

awesome song, willing2, takes me back... and I'm putting this one on my music thread so I can give it a listen whenever the mood for swaying together strikes...

There's nothing wrong with a woman asking a man out, if she feels good about herself. That does not take away from the man giving your respect or treating like a woman should be treated.

There's nothing wrong with a woman asking a man out, if she feels good about herself. That does not take away from the man giving your respect or treating like a woman should be treated.

Truth be told.
While I was dancing with her, I envisioned it was with you.
It really was, soft and sweet.
With eyes closed, I could see yours shining, you smiling.
Throwing your head back, happy, content and in heaven.
My moment. My fantasy.
A few short minutes I will cherish for a lifetime.

All of life is serious to some point. I believe that a lady can approach a man for anything she might want. If it becomes serious, that is the choice of the people involved. The only real rules in life should be; treat others as you want to be treated & always use manners & common sense. Pretty simple & easy to follow, IF YOU CHOSE TO.

OPINION

and it's a good opinion.

wel its only after interacting with that guy that we realize some wanted/unwanted things in a man.and getting involved with 1 is the perfect way to know what they want,women are choosy(with the exception of desperate women).:-)

i totally agree with you.hats off to you and the way you think.:-)

I think what the women here actually said was that they wouldn't ask a man out and some of them said that they would, so your argument as usual is spurious.

You stated that women are unable to introduce themselves to strangers and conduct a proper conversation, which is just nonsense. You take a topic about flirting and asking people out and somehow insert a troll into it about women having poor social skills. You do make me chuckle with these absurd generalisations and your boasting about your sex life though man.