Topic: Fake Skeptics & The "Conspiracy Theorist" Slur | |
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities' School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey, was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report. Farmer states...“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.” http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september112009/911_truth_9-11-09.php Nope not spin REALITY. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh8eb_ACLl8 |
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Soul, I really appreciate you pointing this video out. It has been my strongly held belief since the day I watched the first plane fly into the first twin tower, that nothing was as it was being made to seem, because no one could explain to me how a camera was pointed at the towers ready to capture their demise, before it ever happened. Maybe I'm just a simple minded female, but I don't believe in coincidence like that. |
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There was also a long distance shot of the first plane hitting the tower on youtube taken from an unknown building top. I don't know what happen to that video. Whoever took it knew in advance what was going to happen and set up the camera.
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Tue 01/29/13 09:31 AM
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Questions from Hotrod:
If 'the government' was really going to use explosives to take down the WTC, why not do so and blame it on the Al Qaeda anyhow? Why introduce aircraft hijackings, 'dancing Jews', WTC7 et cetera? It is important to be able to distinguish between 'the government' and the Elite Cabal or 'club' that uses their power, influence and wealth to install said 'governments.'
The wealthy install the governments. The wealthy contribute millions to the campaigns and election results and many of the electronic voting machines are owned by convicted felons. It has been testified to in court that these machines have been tampered with. Elections themselves are fixed and manipulated by the Elite. Now to answer your question, 'the government' did not plan and execute the attack on 9-11. But 'the government' (being a tool of the Elite) was complicit in the attacks. This does not mean every single politician was involved, but key people were complicit. The operation is always on a need to know basis and was carried out as black operations. Of course details like the 'dancing Jews' were just screw ups. They were Mossad and yes, they were 'documenting' the event for their masters.... the Elite. WTC 7 and all of the buildings were owned by the same person or company. There were many reasons for the operation most of them were financial. It all has to do with gaining power, and a tyrannical control. What a load of speculative and unsubstantiated nonsense. Hotrod, If you can't comprehend who the real criminals are, your world view can't possibly be accurate. Just look at where the money came from in the last two presidential campaigns. In order for the installed puppet government of the elite to justify taking away our liberty in exchange for our safety, there has to be some terrible enemy. (War on drugs, war on terror, Bin Laden, Saddam,) I personally get tired of them telling me who my enemy is while they rob me and the public of everything. But the people are beginning to realize who that 'terrible enemy' is. Here is an example: Goldman Sachs has a derivative exposure of $44.192 Trillion dollars. Goldman Sachs has advantage over other banks because it has awesome connections in US Government. A lot of former Goldman employees hold high-level US Government positions. Mitt Romney's top donor is Goldman Sachs, and one of Obama's best donors. Ex-CEO of Goldman Sachs, Hank Paulson became the Secretary of Treasury under Bush and during the 2008 financial crisis authored the TARP bill demanding $700 billion bail-out. In UK, Goldman Sachs escaped £10 million bill on a failed tax avoidance scheme with help of good connections. The bank is the largest player in the food commodities market, earned $955m from food speculation in 2009" - That's your $$$. Goldman Sachs employees are arming themselves with guns in case there is a populist uprising against the bank. Goldman Sachs calls their investors "muppets". and use clients to make money for themselves, disregarding the clients. The bank was fined $22 million for sharing valuable nonpublic information with top clients (Think insider trading with best clients). Goldman Sachs was part-owner America's leading website for prostitution ads until the ownership stake was exposed. Goldman Sachs helped Greece conceal its debt with secret loans, while simultaneously taking advantage of Greece. Goldman Sachs got a $814 billion SECRET bailout from the Federal Reserve during the 2008 crisis. Goldman Sachs got $10 billion of the 2008 TARP bailout, and in the same year paid $10.9 billion in employee compensation and "benefits", while paying a tax rate of 1%. That means an average of $327,000 to each Goldman Sach's employee. |
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Questions from Hotrod:
If 'the government' was really going to use explosives to take down the WTC, why not do so and blame it on the Al Qaeda anyhow? Why introduce aircraft hijackings, 'dancing Jews', WTC7 et cetera? It is important to be able to distinguish between 'the government' and the Elite Cabal or 'club' that uses their power, influence and wealth to install said 'governments.'
The wealthy install the governments. The wealthy contribute millions to the campaigns and election results and many of the electronic voting machines are owned by convicted felons. It has been testified to in court that these machines have been tampered with. Elections themselves are fixed and manipulated by the Elite. Now to answer your question, 'the government' did not plan and execute the attack on 9-11. But 'the government' (being a tool of the Elite) was complicit in the attacks. This does not mean every single politician was involved, but key people were complicit. The operation is always on a need to know basis and was carried out as black operations. Of course details like the 'dancing Jews' were just screw ups. They were Mossad and yes, they were 'documenting' the event for their masters.... the Elite. WTC 7 and all of the buildings were owned by the same person or company. There were many reasons for the operation most of them were financial. It all has to do with gaining power, and a tyrannical control. What a load of speculative and unsubstantiated nonsense. If you can't comprehend who the real criminals are, your world view can't possibly be accurate. Just look at where the money came from in the last two presidential campaigns. In order for the installed puppet government of the elite to justify taking away our liberty in exchange for our safety, there has to be some terrible enemy. (War on drugs, war on terror, Bin Laden, Saddam,) I personally get tired of them telling me who my enemy is while they rob me and the public of everything. But the people are beginning to realize who that 'terrible enemy' is. Here is an example: Goldman Sachs has a derivative exposure of $44.192 Trillion dollars. Goldman Sachs has advantage over other banks because it has awesome connections in US Government. A lot of former Goldman employees hold high-level US Government positions. Mitt Romney's top donor is Goldman Sachs, and one of Obama's best donors. Ex-CEO of Goldman Sachs, Hank Paulson became the Secretary of Treasury under Bush and during the 2008 financial crisis authored the TARP bill demanding $700 billion bail-out. In UK, Goldman Sachs escaped £10 million bill on a failed tax avoidance scheme with help of good connections. The bank is the largest player in the food commodities market, earned $955m from food speculation in 2009" - That's your $$$. Goldman Sachs employees are arming themselves with guns in case there is a populist uprising against the bank. Goldman Sachs calls their investors "muppets". and use clients to make money for themselves, disregarding the clients. The bank was fined $22 million for sharing valuable nonpublic information with top clients (Think insider trading with best clients). Goldman Sachs was part-owner America's leading website for prostitution ads until the ownership stake was exposed. Goldman Sachs helped Greece conceal its debt with secret loans, while simultaneously taking advantage of Greece. Goldman Sachs got a $814 billion SECRET bailout from the Federal Reserve during the 2008 crisis. Goldman Sachs got $10 billion of the 2008 TARP bailout, and in the same year paid $10.9 billion in employee compensation and "benefits", while paying a tax rate of 1%. That means an average of $327,000 to each Goldman Sach's employee. Do you have a url for that prostitution website? |
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More Criminals:
Bank of America (Thieves) Bank of America has a derivative exposure of $50.135 Trillion dollars. BofA is sticking the tax-payers with a MASSIVE bill, by moving derivatives to accounts insured by the federal government @ total of $53.7 trillion as of 06/2011. During 2011-12 BofA has been in need of cash, so Warren Buffett gave BofA $5 billion. Same year BofA sold its stake in China Construction Bank to raise 1.8 billion in cash. Bank of America paid $22 million to settle charges of improperly foreclosing on active-duty troops BofA recruited 3 cyber attack firms to attack WikiLeaks. but the Anonymous hacker group hacked the security firms first. BofA was sued for $31 billion in home-loan losses in 2011, the bank is involved in many lawsuits, too many to document. BofA also received a SECRET $1.344 trillion dollar bailout from the Federal Reserve. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Tue 01/29/13 09:37 AM
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Do you have a url for that prostitution website? LOL nope. |
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More Bankster Mafia:
Citibank Citibank has a derivative exposure of $52.102 Trillion dollars. The $1 Trillion dollar towers are double-stacked @ 930 feet (248 m). Citibank customers have been arrested for trying to close their accounts. while in Indonesia a man was interrogated to death in Citibank's special "questioning room". In 2011 Citibank paid a fine of $285 million for selling home-loan backed bonds to investors, while betting they would lose value (think derivatives/insurance). The man in charge of the unit at Citibank became Obama's Chief of Staff. 2 weeks before getting hired by Obama he got $900,000 from Citibank for great performance. This was after Citigroup took out $45 billion in bailout money. Citibank knowingly passed over bad loans to the Federal Housing Administration to insure. Citigroup also received a SECRET $2.513 trillion dollar bailout from the Federal Reserve. |
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More Bankster Mafia:
JP Morgan Chase (JPM) JP Morgan Chase has a derivative exposure of $70.151 Trillion dollars. $70 Trillion is roughly the size of the entire world's economy. The $1 Trillion dollar towers are double-stacked @ 930 feet (248 m). JP Morgan is rumored to hold 50->80% of the copper market, and manipulated the market by massive purchases. JP Morgan (JPM) is also guilty of manipulating the silver market to make billions. In 2010 JP Morgan had 3 perfect trading quarters and only lost money on 8 days. Lawsuits on home foreclosures have been filed against JP Morgan. Aluminum price is manipulated by JP Morgan through large physical ownership of material and creating bottlenecks during transport. JP Morgan was among the banks involved in the seizure of $620 million in assets for alleged fraud linked to derivatives. JP Morgan got $25 billion taxpayer in bailout money. It has no intention of using the money to lend to customers, but instead will use it to drive out competition. The bank is also the largest owner of BP - the oil spill company. During the oil spill the bank said that the oil spill is good for the economy. JP Morgan Chase also received a SECRET $391 billion dollar bailout from the Federal Reserve. In 2012, JP Morgan (JPM) took a $2 billion loss on "Poorly Executed" Derivative Bets. |
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These are the criminal organizations.
Bank of New York Mellon BNY has a derivative exposure of $1.375 Trillion dollars. Considered a too big to fail (TBTF) bank. It is currently facing (among others) lawsuits fraud and contract breach suits by a Los Angeles pension fund and New York pension funds, where BNY Mellon allegedly overcharged the funds on many millions of dollars and concealed it. State Street Financial State Street has a derivative exposure of $1.390 Trillion dollars. Too big to fail (TBTF) bank. It has been charged by California Attorney General (among other) lawsuits for massive fraud on California's CalPERS and CalSTRS pension funds - similar to BNY (above). Morgan Stanley Morgan Stanley has a derivative exposure of $1.722 Trilion dollars. Its a too big to fail (TBTF) bank. It recently settled a lawsuit for over-paying its employees while accepting the tax payer funded bailout. Vice Chairman of Morgan Stanley had a license plate that said "2BG2FAIL" on his Porsche Cayenne Turbo. All this while $250 million of bailout money ended up in the hands of Waterfall TALF Opportunity, run by the Morgan Stanley's owners' wives-- Marry a banker for a $250M tax-payer cash injection. The bank also got a SECRET $2.041 Trillion bailout from the Federal Reserve during the crisis, beyond the tax payer bailout. Wells Fargo Wells Fargo has a derivative exposure of $3.332 Trillion dollars. Its a too big to fail (TBTF) bank. WF has been charged for its role in allegedly pursuing illegal foreclosures and deceptive loan servicing. Wells Fargo was just slapped with a $85 million fine by Federal Reserve for putting good credit borrowers into bad-credit rating (high rate) loans. In March 2010, Wachovia (owned by Wells Fargo) paid $110 million fine for allowing transactions connected to drug smuggling and a $50 million fine for failing to monitor cash used to ship 22 tons of cocaine. It also failed to monitor $378.4 billion (that's $378400 millions dollars) worth of transactions to Mexican "casas de cambio" (think WesternUnion, anonymous cash transfer) usually linked to drug cartels. Beyond that, WF lets its' VIP employees live in foreclosed mansions. WF knows how to cash your legit check, then claim "fraud" and close your account. WF also re-orders your transactions to create more overdraft fees. Wells Fargo's Wachovia also got a SECRET $159 billion bailout from the Federal Reserve. _______________________________ Wells Fargo has a derivative exposure of $3.332 Trillion dollars. Its a too big to fail (TBTF) bank. WF has been charged for its role in allegedly pursuing illegal foreclosures and deceptive loan servicing. Wells Fargo was just slapped with a $85 million fine by Federal Reserve for putting good credit borrowers into bad-credit rating (high rate) loans. In March 2010, Wachovia (owned by Wells Fargo) paid $110 million fine for allowing transactions connected to drug smuggling and a $50 million fine for failing to monitor cash used to ship 22 tons of cocaine. It also failed to monitor $378.4 billion (that's $378400 millions dollars) worth of transactions to Mexican "casas de cambio" (think WesternUnion, anonymous cash transfer) usually linked to drug cartels. Beyond that, WF lets its' VIP employees live in foreclosed mansions. WF knows how to cash your legit check, then claim "fraud" and close your account. WF also re-orders your transactions to create more overdraft fees. Wells Fargo's Wachovia also got a SECRET $159 billion bailout from the Federal Reserve. Wells Fargo paid NO taxes in 2008-2010 and had a tax rate of NEGATIVE 1.4% while making $49 billion in profit during the same time. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Tue 01/29/13 10:06 AM
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They are not as smart or as well organized as some people think they are. Besides, they didn't need to. They still got into Iraq via their lies and propaganda. The risk of getting caught planting WMD would have been astronomical. More of the same. So, the risk of the so-called 9/11 conspiracy being exposed wasn't astronomical? The logic is just.... Hotrod, Yes it is astronomical. That is why there is a huge government cover-up and why the evidence was destroyed and why everything about the so called investigation is "classfied." Yes the risk of the truth getting out about 9-11 is astronomical and that is why people's jobs have been threatened, people have been bribed and threatened and even killed to cover up the truth. The towers falling are what has awaken the people and these people are demanding the truth. These "truthers" and conspiracy theorists outnumber the spin doctors in the search for the truth. If the truth were known, the world economy would totally collapse, and the banks would all fail, and the people would loose confidence in their leaders and their banks. It really would be chaos. That is why there are so many people involved in the cover-up. The truth will bring total chaos. But the tower has fallen and people have become enlightened to the corruption of this current society and inch by inch the truth is being revealed. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Tue 01/29/13 10:29 AM
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Hotrod said this:
However, in the case of 9/11, the conspiracy as put forth by truthers is just plain silly.
This statement is too general. Its like saying that all men are pigs. There are dozens of different CT's all very different. Some of them are silly, others simply ask some real hard questions that the government refuses to address. |
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... others of them simply ask some real hard questions that the government refuses to address. ...which along with the anomalies and improbable rationalizations, proves beyond a reasonable doubt that 9/11 was an inside job. |
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Edited by
HotRodDeluxe
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Wed 01/30/13 03:44 AM
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Did you read the 109 page report on the collapse of WTC7? Please do, it would save a lot of this unnecessary posting. The NIST Report is laughable and easily refuted. When it first came out I wondered how they got such highly qualified men to lie like that. I'm, guessing it was bribery that persuaded them to put their names & reputations on that report.
I'm not talking about the NIST report. You just parachuted into the thread and assumed that. But while you're on it, the NIST report is not easily refuted and the best any truther scientist has been able to come up with is disputing minutiae which doesn't alter the report's conclusion. There is one being scrutinised on JREF as we speak and the scientist offered it to them for critiquing. This is one of many attempts to discredit the NIST report, but none have succeeded to reach alternative conclusions. Please, offer a paper for scrutiny, but the chances are I've seen it and its peer review. the risk of the so-called 9/11 conspiracy being exposed wasn't astronomical? I'd say that it has been exposed, so the odds of it being exposed have reached certainty. With all the anomalies, I'd say odds of exposure were pretty high to begin with…nowhere near "astronomical" territory.
So, basically you're unaware of the lack of evidence surrounding the truther claims? Right, next? |
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Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities' School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey, was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report. Farmer states...“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.” http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september112009/911_truth_9-11-09.php Nope not spin REALITY. You should really try to read this book sometime. These quotes have been assembled to provide compelling copy to sell the book. One day when you may read it, you will realise that this book is about the failure of government agencies to communicate with each other, not about some silly CT. You can buy my copy if you like, I don't need it anymore. |
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Edited by
HotRodDeluxe
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Wed 01/30/13 03:35 AM
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Questions from Hotrod:
If 'the government' was really going to use explosives to take down the WTC, why not do so and blame it on the Al Qaeda anyhow? Why introduce aircraft hijackings, 'dancing Jews', WTC7 et cetera? It is important to be able to distinguish between 'the government' and the Elite Cabal or 'club' that uses their power, influence and wealth to install said 'governments.'
The wealthy install the governments. The wealthy contribute millions to the campaigns and election results and many of the electronic voting machines are owned by convicted felons. It has been testified to in court that these machines have been tampered with. Elections themselves are fixed and manipulated by the Elite. Now to answer your question, 'the government' did not plan and execute the attack on 9-11. But 'the government' (being a tool of the Elite) was complicit in the attacks. This does not mean every single politician was involved, but key people were complicit. The operation is always on a need to know basis and was carried out as black operations. Of course details like the 'dancing Jews' were just screw ups. They were Mossad and yes, they were 'documenting' the event for their masters.... the Elite. WTC 7 and all of the buildings were owned by the same person or company. There were many reasons for the operation most of them were financial. It all has to do with gaining power, and a tyrannical control. What a load of speculative and unsubstantiated nonsense. Hotrod,
If you can't comprehend who the real criminals are, your world view can't possibly be accurate. Just look at where the money came from in the last two presidential campaigns. In order for the installed puppet government of the elite to justify taking away our liberty in exchange for our safety, there has to be some terrible enemy. (War on drugs, war on terror, Bin Laden, Saddam,) I personally get tired of them telling me who my enemy is while they rob me and the public of everything. But the people are beginning to realize who that 'terrible enemy' is. Here is an example: Goldman Sachs has a derivative exposure of $44.192 Trillion dollars. Goldman Sachs has advantage over other banks because it has awesome connections in US Government. A lot of former Goldman employees hold high-level US Government positions. Mitt Romney's top donor is Goldman Sachs, and one of Obama's best donors. Ex-CEO of Goldman Sachs, Hank Paulson became the Secretary of Treasury under Bush and during the 2008 financial crisis authored the TARP bill demanding $700 billion bail-out. In UK, Goldman Sachs escaped £10 million bill on a failed tax avoidance scheme with help of good connections. The bank is the largest player in the food commodities market, earned $955m from food speculation in 2009" - That's your $$$. Goldman Sachs employees are arming themselves with guns in case there is a populist uprising against the bank. Goldman Sachs calls their investors "muppets". and use clients to make money for themselves, disregarding the clients. The bank was fined $22 million for sharing valuable nonpublic information with top clients (Think insider trading with best clients). Goldman Sachs was part-owner America's leading website for prostitution ads until the ownership stake was exposed. Goldman Sachs helped Greece conceal its debt with secret loans, while simultaneously taking advantage of Greece. Goldman Sachs got a $814 billion SECRET bailout from the Federal Reserve during the 2008 crisis. Goldman Sachs got $10 billion of the 2008 TARP bailout, and in the same year paid $10.9 billion in employee compensation and "benefits", while paying a tax rate of 1%. That means an average of $327,000 to each Goldman Sach's employee. I comprehend much more than you think and I've been reading this theory wrapped up in several guises since the 1970's. Your so-called proof does NOT prove the existence of some Cabal/Illuminati/Freemason/Catholic Star Chamber/Reptilian group ruling the planet. I grew out of this comic book crap in the 1980's when I realised that I had a brain. These points you posted may confirm your paranoia or bias/prejudice, but that is about it. I comprehend your world view (despite you assertions, it's not difficult), but I don't believe it. I'm not in the business of coming up with a hypothesis and searching around for titbits that may or may not confirm it. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and no-one EVER supplies that. I know people want simple explanations to complex situations, but the world isn't like that, and realising it isn't how we'd like it to be and then accepting it is just a part of growing as a person. That doesn't mean we don't speak against injustice, but by God, when we do, we should identify the said injustice without room for doubt. Now, getting back to my point that judging by your irrelevant response, you completely misunderstood. Let's try it again: If 'the government' was really going to use explosives to take down the WTC, why not do so and blame it on the Al Qaeda anyhow? Why introduce aircraft hijackings, 'dancing Jews', WTC7 et cetera? Now, I'll go through it again. Now, if da gubbmint really wanted to blow up the World Trade Centre in order to create a so-called 'False Flag' operation, why bother using planes? Just blow it up and blame AL-Qaeda. There was no need to use planes because UBL had already attempted to bring them down in 1993. Just make it look like he succeeded. Bush/Cheney whoever your bogeyman might be didn't need to go to such lengths, nor did they need to damage the Pentagon and cause a plain crash in a field. And on and on it goes...the logic is just too stupid to even give it credence. Just blow it up and be done with it. "No, we'll devise a crazy scenario that could be exposed at any time by using thousands of participants who are all completely loyal to us." Yeah, right.... http://web.archive.org/web/20120119212000/http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/42181 |
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Hotrod said this: However, in the case of 9/11, the conspiracy as put forth by truthers is just plain silly.
This statement is too general. Its like saying that all men are pigs. There are dozens of different CT's all very different. Some of them are silly, others simply ask some real hard questions that the government refuses to address. I know there are dozens, but none of them ask any 'hard' questions. I've never seen a 'hard' question in these truther theories, just dumb questions. And they they think they are entitled to an answer. I agree, my statement was too general. 'All 9/11 CT's are dumb, but some are dumber than others'. |
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...which along with the anomalies and improbable rationalizations, proves beyond a reasonable doubt that 9/11 was an inside job. Based on that statement, in the event you are called upon for Jury Service, please refuse, in the interests of justice being served. |
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...which along with the anomalies and improbable rationalizations, proves beyond a reasonable doubt that 9/11 was an inside job. Based on that statement, in the event you are called upon for Jury Service, please refuse, in the interests of justice being served. |
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Edited by
JustDukkyMkII
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Wed 01/30/13 03:44 AM
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I'm not talking about the NIST report. So what 109 page report were you recommending we waste our time with? So, basically you're unaware of the lack of evidence surrounding the truther claims? What I said had nothing to do with any "truther claims", so why should I be concerned with whatever unprovable evidence they purport to have? NEXT! Your proof does NOT prove the existence of some Cabal/Illuminati/Freemason/Catholic Star Chamber/Reptilian group ruling the planet. I grew out of this comic book crap in the 1980's when I realised that I had a brain. Your so-called evidence doesn't prove their existence whatsoever. These points you posted may confirm your paranoia or bias/prejudice, but that is about it. Yeah, you're right…documented evidence of fraud on a massive scale doesn't prove that it was done by reptilians…just your run-of-the-mill criminal banksters who control the economy & governments of almost the entire planet. Nothing to see here…move along…LMAO If 'the government' was really going to use explosives to take down the WTC, why not do so and blame it on the Al Qaeda anyhow? Why introduce aircraft hijackings, 'dancing Jews', WTC7 et cetera? Higher production values with more dramatic impact? (Just guessing) ...the logic is just too stupid to even give it credence. Oh don't be so hard on yourself. Anybody might miss the fact that a "nation under attack" has a MUCH stronger impact on the public mind than a simple terrorist bombing. ...which along with the anomalies and improbable rationalizations, proves beyond a reasonable doubt that 9/11 was an inside job. Based on that statement, in the event you are called upon for Jury Service, please refuse, in the interests of justice being served. Don't worry; the jury selection process almost always excludes intelligent critical thinkers & skeptics. |
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