WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG!

Look up Ethiopian Jews some time! They were SCOFFED by Israel when they made their claims UNTIL DNA TESTING PROVED BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT THEY HAD JEWISH BLOOD! The Etheopian Jews were recently recieved BY ISRAEL in a big apology and welcoming ceremony! They are the descendants of King Solomon when the empire of Judea extended into Somalia and Ethiopia and encompassed the whole area that is now Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Bahrain, Dubai, and part of Turkey (and also that pretense of a nation Palestine).

There are genetic markers unique to Jews that can be traced. Why do you think the Jews say you can only REALLY be Jewish by bloodline if BORN of a Jewish Mother? Converts are not real Jews. Likewise because they were so persecuted and their empire smashed so many times they scattered to the winds. Even European Jews have the genetics that can be traced.

Come on. You argue so well at times but then you dump this on us?

I expected better of you!

There is no such thing as "Jewish Blood" if being "Jewish" is simply a religion.



King Solomon really? Do they have DNA from King Solomon? I doubt that.



The reason they require a "Jewish" mother is because the gene marker of this particular family tribe is only passed on via the female. This does not prove that they are "Jewish." It only proves they are related to a particular family group of people.

So if what you are claiming here is true, then being Jewish has NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY RELIGION. Forget Judaism.

You said converts "are not real Jews." and that you can only be a Jew if your mother was... (has the genetic marker.)






I agree. And again, you can't tell if a person is a convert by their genetic marker.




Genetics can be traced for anyone. But they do not determine your religious beliefs.

So, it would depend on what you define as a "Jew."
Is it a religion, or are you looking for a bloodline to King Solomon?

(Genes have no way of telling what religion a person is and as you have just said, converts are not "real Jews")


This whole nonsense about genes is supposed to imply that there is such a thing as a "Jewish people" who are related to King Solomon or King David or Abraham and is all just based on unprovable Bible myths.

The Jewish people were invented. Before a certain date in History, the Bible did not even have the word "Jew" in it.

There is no King David, or Abraham. It is all a great big hoax.

Sure they did, since Israel is desperate to get more "Jews" to populate the State of Israel. (They require a certain number to be a State.)

And since they themselves lay claim to being Jewish because of a genetic marker, they can't very well deny anyone else who wants to do the same. (As if this genetic marker gives them the right to lay claim on a land they were not even born in.)

But what are we talking about here? A religion or common gene? And what does this common gene prove? That they are all related to each other or that they are related to a myth called King David or Abraham? They can't prove that those individuals even ever existed.

Its the most absurd thing I have ever seen.

Now your argument is degenerating into absurdity!

What do you even know about the Human Genome project? What do you even know about heredity? I think these are things you need to reevaluate.

First of all The Jewish Faith has been a part of the Hebrew Race since about 5000 years ago. it is so EASY for you to discount the fact that there are different races and some of them culturally are affiliated almost exclusively to a particular faith practice. Again Jew is a Faith and a RACE!

Your argument is lob sided and self serving to support your belief! Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are all Abrahamic faiths.

Likewise I cannot prove nor disprove the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists! Therefore I have been slathered in the marinara of his love! I would hate like hell to be the poor bastard who spends all of his life trying to discount everything that is beyond our comprehension when the real GOD does indeed step foreword. Till then I spend more time worrying about living a good life rather than worry about placating some faceless god no one sees but people readily make up.

Problem with humans is we make everything in our image. Even God looks like us supposedly. That proves to me OUR "God" is a myth because the way I see god, lets just say that us being small isn't expressive enough of where we REALLY stand with God.

So in the mean time why hate like you do?

BTW, where is the body of Bin Laden? Was he real?

How about Adolph Hitler or Joseph Mengele?

How about Jesus? Where is his body?

The only thing I hate is lies.
The only thing I look for are answers.
Why do you accuse me of Hate? You do not know my heart.

I just want a strait answer.

You have said that a convert to Judaism is not a real Jew. So its not about the religion.

You have admitted that Jews come in all skin colors so it is not about the race.

That only leaves one thing. A genetic marker. A family bloodline.

That is apparently all it boils down to.



What is there to reevaluate?

Apparently it is all about a genetic marker, a family bloodline. That is clear to me now.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Bin Laden and Hitler....
There is real evidence for those people. Real evidence.


This is not so for King David, Abraham or Jesus, or any of the people that descended from them. No real evidence that they ever existed. Its just a story.

I see the anti-semitism continues.

the Tooth fairy - hoax

Santa Clause - a lie

the Easter bunny - Wabbit Season!

Jesus Christ - a real man but blown out of proportion.

Muhammad - another real man likewise blown completely out of proportion.

Stalin - real and hated by the west, respected by Russia!

Satan - FICTION MADE UP BY CATHOLICS!

Shaitan - Islam's version of Satan likewise a huge lie.

Shangri La - Actually a real place but the wrong name for it. It is really called Shamballa and is located in Tibet way up in the mountains.

El Dorado - fictitious

Avalon - Fictitious ALTHOUGH there is a site in England that meets the description of a place that could have been Avalon.

God - No way to prove or disprove the existence of but when described in homo-centric terms, a lie.

Monogamy - its all in your head.

So is hate.

So is love.

Life IS a paradox. So are you going to let that get you mad as well?

OH Almost forgot! ATLANTIS!

That is a legend yet there is a site in Northern Chile that meets all criteria to meet HOMER'S description of Atlantis. So far the site in question has met almost all tests to potentially being Atlantis save one, the site is now 1500 feet above sea level. They found the three ring canals. the field with the canal irrigation. They found the Orinocum mine. Its size, dimensions of the city walls, everything is coming together. Atlantis may have been real.

This thread has been edited of comments aimed
at members as opposed to Topic.

Kindly debate the Topic only.

soufie
Site Moderator

We are keeping you busy today, aren't we?

Did you think that it wouldn't?

Oh, during an interview for the PBS show NOVA, archaeologist William Dever stated the following:



So, the claim that King David never existed has been demonstrated to be false.

That is all you have? I've researched all about that tiny scrap of bogus evidence. Its just not enough. It is not enough to convince anyone but someone who is desperate to believe.

There were only a few questionable fragments. Certainly not near enough to prove an entire kingdom and the existence of a King David. Not to mention it is highly challenged and debated and said to be a forgery - or even planted. ..but that is not even scratching the surface of why this is not proof.

If there were a Kingdom of David, there would be a lot more evidence. Also, the actual time lines of when all of those fabricated stories have never been even been proven.

Its like choosing to believe in Santa because you found a jingle bell on the roof of your house.

Quote:
"The inscription contains a possible mention of the name 'David' and is thought by many scholars to verify the existence of this king."

POSSIBLE MENTION OF THE NAME DAVID?
Oh yeh, that sounds like solid evidence.

Sorry, I don't think so.

If you were to look for evidence of the existence of Abraham Lincoln, or George Washington, there would be tons and tons of it. The idea that a few fragments that "might possibly" mention the name "David" as "proof" of a King David is completely illogical and unscientific.

Only people desperate to believe would call that "proof." Its not proof. Its not convincing. And its all they have. There is nothing else.

OK, you are aware that a vast treasure trove of Knowledge, the Great library of Alexandria was put to the torch by a insane Bishop who felt the knowledge evil? Likewise there is a lot of text and other good archeological stuff stashed by the Vatican to suppress knowledge that would condemn their ideals.

If I remember the Great temple was originally erected by King Solomon but since had been added on to by David, and even Herod but was destroyed by the Romans as a punishment of a Jewish rebellion against the Romans which went very bad for the Jews. All that is left is the wall. Since the Temple was attributed directly to King Solomon there is a distinct chance he did exist since evidence of his empire has been found in other nations LIKE ETHIOPIA.

A TRUE scientist will not completely disprove something they don't have the Empirical evidence to prove does not exist. When they have that proof they do go crazy and will disprove what they clearly have evidence to support them they have tested repeatedly and others can recreate. Real Scientists still actually cannot completely discount the idea of a supreme being or a pinnacle of existence. That is because we barely even grasp what the universe really is. The Jews have a long standing tradition and a written language older than most empires. 5 thousand years is a long history! And to discount it on your "ethical" beliefs is intellectually short sighted.

Everyone wants to be god's favorite. Really none of them have a clue what God wants. Life seems to choose the strongest. Sometimes life itself seems to say 'God Be Damned.' Can you disprove a higher consciousness exists?

It doesn't matter really. It is just someone's opinion that he didn't exist and as it cannot be proved either way, it can be dismissed without much ado. There is a concept among ancient historians that states 'absence of evidence is not evidence of absence'. There is no physical evidence of Hannibal of Carthage ever existing apart from literary evidence, yet no-one questions his existence. The whole argument against King David ever existing is specious, as it lacks any supporting evidence, and it has a political agenda as opposed to any semblance of trying to ascertain historical accuracy. It is merely another transparent attempt by anti-semites to delegitimise any claim Jews have regarding the land of Israel.

That's what it boils down to!
Judeophobia at it's best!

Exactly. The whole specious argument has no weight. It is merely an obvious political ploy attempting to discredit Jewry.