Is this the fundamental reason why some men like to chase and women enjoy playing hard to get in return? Seems to be a lot of the reason a man feels he has to work hard to get "the prize." Whatever happened to passion in relationships anymore? Has this drained out because women stopped being "women" or rather "self sufficient" and can make their own decisions, their own money, have a choice in a guy? I was thinking this could explain a lot of what is really going with broken relationships lately. Today's woman is very different from what she was in the 20s on to about the late 60s. Seems like it could be a factor in the demise in a lot of relationships.

Guys, are you bothered by a feminist?

It depends on how you define a feminist.

i’m for anything that has to do with women removing their bras. fight on, i say!

IMO, "you don't give me what I want/need, I can get it/find it elsewhere." Basically the "I can do it myself 'tude." Which has good and bad qualities.

So, you are referring to independence?

Some men I hear find this a turn off. Emasculates them if you will.

Well, when men in the USA wise up and say no to the game that feminists play, then those men will be better off. For example . . .

Feminist: "It's my way or the highway."
Man: "I have an SUV. So, I'm heading for the highway. Enjoy being single."

No. People who play hard to get are just playing into a well known fact that people often tend to want what they can't have. Therefore by playing hard to get, they get extra reassurance that they are wanted and they are important. On top of knowing that there is someone who wants them, they put on an extra act. It doesn't last. Eventually they end up becoming Mr. and Mrs. very-available-for-you-right-now! Little Mr. and Mrs. Why-didn't-you-call,I-was-waiting!

I personally don't see feminism as a threat. I think women should make their own money, I can't imagine how it must have been like back in those days being expected to pay for everything. She should pay for her own ****, and on a date I'll make it known in a good way that I'm not paying for her food.

Don't forget a majority of women out there have dildos and vibrators in their handbags, pockets, fridges and drawers. Yet they its not the same is it. That example should tell you that feminism has its own limitations. Yes it empowered women (which is good), but not to the extent of meeting all their needs. In fact you could argue that feminism almost always benefits capitalism more than it does human relations.

Is that why its' been so wet lately.

SpicyExel, maybe!

When there is "depth" and closeness in a relationship there is passion...The passion never lasts for long in shallow and "surface-based relationships." Once the fireworks go off (in the early stages) everything slows down to a "fizzle." (And boredom takes over.)...Men and women who have well-defined "inner selves" keep creating new goals and challenges for themselves. And they prefer to be with a mate who has goals and dreams and a sense of direction and purpose too. (Versus settling for a "tag-along.")...A couple like this is full of passion. Passion for their goals...Passion for life...And passion for each other!

There's no passion. I just like seeing it rain.

I don't think that an independent woman is necessarily a feminist. Though, I do think many men are turned off by feminists. Some are turned off by independence, too.

Neither do I. Independence in a woman is great as long as you get to help.

An independent woman is great. A woman who needs constant attention is not. Some women say they are independent and out spoken but are really arrogant and bitter from past experience. I've seldom met an independent woman who, when in a LTR, didn't occasionally display a soft submissive side.

One can easily weed out radical feminists. They always try to flaunt their "independence" from men. "We don't need you" is their favorite statement. "I'm a woman, hear me roar"! Fine: enjoy your single independence then!

One time I heard a woman say this and she even bragged that she doesn't need a man to get pregnant!

"and where did you obtain the sperm from" I asked. A sperm bank" she snapped back. "and where did the sperm bank get their supply: monkeys?"

Anyone who is truly independent doesn't have to ram it down a man's throat. It's evident by how she talks and lives her life. The braggers are wanna-be independent women.

Cool. You can start by taking out the trash!

They are threatened because independent women don't need them for anything.
Yikes!

The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world.

This has 3 or 4 things mixed together and it makes it hard to respond to. But this mixing helps shed light on the confusion.

Ill cover feminism at the end.

Part #1 (sorry, this wont be short)


Remember in 1900 a woman needed a man and a man needed to find a good woman. That is why we chased and quality ladies didn't just accept the first Tom Dick or Harry that came along. They were a prise worth catching and they were catchable. Which means when we put the effort into catching you, you stayed once you chose to accept us. That you join us in the goal of creating a family raising our kids and/or building a business, life, family, social circle, community, nation etc.

In todays world we are told this is wrong. What does a woman really need a man for? Why in the world do either men and women put up with the other sex? Lets face it, your half of the species is an pain in the *&&. And look at the man. Wow. Why would ladies really want to put up with a man.

To be a man's 'Prize'. Oh wait, your no man's prize. That sounds way too much like ownership.

Women are told all the time not to put up with the crap of men. And if we are both being told we really don't need the other, why the heck would we bother to put the work in that it takes to maintain a relationship.

Because it's a lie. We need each other. We are designed to need each other. The need is so strong that we accept the limitations and challenges of the other in exchange for the strengths and comfort of the other. That the companionship, trust, importance, and identity that we gain in a strong relationship far out way the challenge of 'Neanderthal' characteristic he portrays and the "not to be named' challenges ladies bring with them. (see I am not that stupid).

So now we believe the lie that we don't need the other. And we cannot understand why we cannot find the right Mr. or Mrs. right. And we cannot understand why we believe we really don't need the the other yet we find ourselves, at times, overwhelmed with loneliness. Missing the intimacy of the other and the comfort of being with someone we trust.

A real woman is a strong and independent in the role as a wife. Makes a wonderful partner in an amazing team called a marriage. Sadly you have to fight the current culture to believe this.

Ladies. You have no Idea what a real man would do for a devoted wife he can trust. (yes we do exist) But even a real men wont lay down his life the type of lady that the world is telling you to be today. And we don't really chase anymore for the prize, men chase for the Piece. Yet are most ladies really offering more than this? What are you offering to the team in the relationship that makes keeping you around worth it? Do you really think being the best BJer in the world is enough? Most of you ladies are not catchable.

Feminism - The feminism movement wasn't about women being strong. Women were already very strong. It was about some women who felt weak in the idea that women needed a man. Telling you that needing a man was weakness.

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