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SpicyExcel Joined Wed 10/31/12 Posts: 1622	Fri 11/02/12 12:22 PM
Since when did independent/independence become the definition for feminism?....Feminism is about "defining and establishing" EQUAL RIGHTS for women as they DIRECTLY relate to men's rights socially, politically, and economically!...Independence is the PRICE TAG women pay for this equality, which, FYI, is still not fully achieved... If men and women are secure within themselves, feminism should only serve to enhance their relationships with each other.... I agree!...Back in the 60's and 70's many women fought for "fair custody rights" for fathers after a divorce. This was an important issue for me...I didn't want to see kids deprived of time with their fathers...And a lot of men supported equal rights and better pay for women...How can we push for positive changes in society (for everyone) if we're bogged down in silly "tit for tat" kind of games? And never bother to look for "common ground?" Speaking peer to peer, yes, yes, yes!...The game of "tit for tat" is child's play.... I agree with what you wrote about being secure too...A secure man doesn't want or need a "shadow" or a "cheerleader." Or a "little woman" by his side to make him look "tall!" Yes, so true...I found many of the posts troubling because there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about feminism and HOW and WHY the feminist movement(s) came about...In order to continue to effect positive change, understanding by both men and women is vital...Unfortunately, women are still fighting for equal ground, especially in the workplace and the political arena...This makes it doubly important for our young men and women to have a clear and concise understanding of feminism and how it benefits society as a whole....Women have much to contribute....Their contribution to society should not be limited to that of homemaker, wife, and mother...In fact, time has proven that the traditional household is becoming a luxury most modern families can no longer afford.... This is so true about fighting for equal ground. I had quite the battle with that serving in the military. The men found out that I was quite capable of doing my job without me damaging their male ego or masculinity. This goes back to the domainance issue. Due you think any man worthy of being in charge would express the fact you damaged their male ego or masculinity. You see I know for a fact that I didn't damage their ego or masculinity as I took nothing away from them as we daily talked about things like this. I lived with these men day and night so to speak. We had a good rapport and understanding; as well became such good friends that we would lay down our lives for each other. Again this is something we work out as adults and these men are not insecure with themselves. Not something you can accomplish in the civilian world as I have found out. Are you speaking from experience or what you know. Actually I am speak from experience by working with these guys. I am still in contact with these guys and they freely will talk to me about anything. And women say they understand MEN. Nope; I will never understand men. I can work with them and get along but never understand them. They are way too complicated. I just had a good rapport with my guy friends and as I said the average civilian man doesn't get it. See we are equal's.

Leigh2154 Joined Sun 10/02/11 Posts: 16479	Fri 11/02/12 12:25 PM
Since when did independent/independence become the definition for feminism?....Feminism is about "defining and establishing" EQUAL RIGHTS for women as they DIRECTLY relate to men's rights socially, politically, and economically!...Independence is the PRICE TAG women pay for this equality, which, FYI, is still not fully achieved... If men and women are secure within themselves, feminism should only serve to enhance their relationships with each other.... I agree!...Back in the 60's and 70's many women fought for "fair custody rights" for fathers after a divorce. This was an important issue for me...I didn't want to see kids deprived of time with their fathers...And a lot of men supported equal rights and better pay for women...How can we push for positive changes in society (for everyone) if we're bogged down in silly "tit for tat" kind of games? And never bother to look for "common ground?" Speaking peer to peer, yes, yes, yes!...The game of "tit for tat" is child's play.... I agree with what you wrote about being secure too...A secure man doesn't want or need a "shadow" or a "cheerleader." Or a "little woman" by his side to make him look "tall!" Yes, so true...I found many of the posts troubling because there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about feminism and HOW and WHY the feminist movement(s) came about...In order to continue to effect positive change, understanding by both men and women is vital...Unfortunately, women are still fighting for equal ground, especially in the workplace and the political arena...This makes it doubly important for our young men and women to have a clear and concise understanding of feminism and how it benefits society as a whole....Women have much to contribute....Their contribution to society should not be limited to that of homemaker, wife, and mother...In fact, time has proven that the traditional household is becoming a luxury most modern families can no longer afford.... This is so true about fighting for equal ground. I had quite the battle with that serving in the military. The men found out that I was quite capable of doing my job without me damaging their male ego or masculinity. I am sure you did Navygirl.....Too often men feel threatened when women prove they can transition into male dominated roles effectively...It's a shame really... As I explained to the other poster; these men initially felt threatened but as we worked together as a team; they realized I was simply there to do a job and not make them look bad or hurt their ego in any way. I understand, but that does not lessen the point of the fact that, initially, the men did feel threatened...Please know, I am not putting the problem squarely on the men, it's a two way street...Both men and women need to realize the issues as they come up and deal with them accordingly...They also must be able to identify and accept that EVERYTHING in EVERY situation is not created equal....

navygirl Joined Sat 06/02/07 Posts: 8118	Fri 11/02/12 12:27 PM
Since when did independent/independence become the definition for feminism?....Feminism is about "defining and establishing" EQUAL RIGHTS for women as they DIRECTLY relate to men's rights socially, politically, and economically!...Independence is the PRICE TAG women pay for this equality, which, FYI, is still not fully achieved... If men and women are secure within themselves, feminism should only serve to enhance their relationships with each other.... I agree!...Back in the 60's and 70's many women fought for "fair custody rights" for fathers after a divorce. This was an important issue for me...I didn't want to see kids deprived of time with their fathers...And a lot of men supported equal rights and better pay for women...How can we push for positive changes in society (for everyone) if we're bogged down in silly "tit for tat" kind of games? And never bother to look for "common ground?" Speaking peer to peer, yes, yes, yes!...The game of "tit for tat" is child's play.... I agree with what you wrote about being secure too...A secure man doesn't want or need a "shadow" or a "cheerleader." Or a "little woman" by his side to make him look "tall!" Yes, so true...I found many of the posts troubling because there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about feminism and HOW and WHY the feminist movement(s) came about...In order to continue to effect positive change, understanding by both men and women is vital...Unfortunately, women are still fighting for equal ground, especially in the workplace and the political arena...This makes it doubly important for our young men and women to have a clear and concise understanding of feminism and how it benefits society as a whole....Women have much to contribute....Their contribution to society should not be limited to that of homemaker, wife, and mother...In fact, time has proven that the traditional household is becoming a luxury most modern families can no longer afford.... This is so true about fighting for equal ground. I had quite the battle with that serving in the military. The men found out that I was quite capable of doing my job without me damaging their male ego or masculinity. This goes back to the domainance issue. Due you think any man worthy of being in charge would express the fact you damaged their male ego or masculinity. You see I know for a fact that I didn't damage their ego or masculinity as I took nothing away from them as we daily talked about things like this. I lived with these men day and night so to speak. We had a good rapport and understanding; as well became such good friends that we would lay down our lives for each other. Again this is something we work out as adults and these men are not insecure with themselves. Not something you can accomplish in the civilian world as I have found out. Are you speaking from experience or what you know. Actually I am speak from experience by working with these guys. I am still in contact with these guys and they freely will talk to me about anything. And women say they understand MEN. Nope; I will never understand men. I can work with them and get along but never understand them. They are way too complicated. I just had a good rapport with my guy friends and as I said the average civilian man doesn't get it. See we are equal's. I suppose so. One of the guys I served on ship with back in 1990 told another guy that he thought I was hell of a boatswain. To this day; he never said it to my face but I already knew he respected me. This is the type of rapport I have never had in a relationship but have had with my male friends.

SpicyExcel Joined Wed 10/31/12 Posts: 1622	Fri 11/02/12 12:35 PM
Since when did independent/independence become the definition for feminism?....Feminism is about "defining and establishing" EQUAL RIGHTS for women as they DIRECTLY relate to men's rights socially, politically, and economically!...Independence is the PRICE TAG women pay for this equality, which, FYI, is still not fully achieved... If men and women are secure within themselves, feminism should only serve to enhance their relationships with each other.... I agree!...Back in the 60's and 70's many women fought for "fair custody rights" for fathers after a divorce. This was an important issue for me...I didn't want to see kids deprived of time with their fathers...And a lot of men supported equal rights and better pay for women...How can we push for positive changes in society (for everyone) if we're bogged down in silly "tit for tat" kind of games? And never bother to look for "common ground?" Speaking peer to peer, yes, yes, yes!...The game of "tit for tat" is child's play.... I agree with what you wrote about being secure too...A secure man doesn't want or need a "shadow" or a "cheerleader." Or a "little woman" by his side to make him look "tall!" Yes, so true...I found many of the posts troubling because there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about feminism and HOW and WHY the feminist movement(s) came about...In order to continue to effect positive change, understanding by both men and women is vital...Unfortunately, women are still fighting for equal ground, especially in the workplace and the political arena...This makes it doubly important for our young men and women to have a clear and concise understanding of feminism and how it benefits society as a whole....Women have much to contribute....Their contribution to society should not be limited to that of homemaker, wife, and mother...In fact, time has proven that the traditional household is becoming a luxury most modern families can no longer afford.... This is so true about fighting for equal ground. I had quite the battle with that serving in the military. The men found out that I was quite capable of doing my job without me damaging their male ego or masculinity. This goes back to the domainance issue. Due you think any man worthy of being in charge would express the fact you damaged their male ego or masculinity. You see I know for a fact that I didn't damage their ego or masculinity as I took nothing away from them as we daily talked about things like this. I lived with these men day and night so to speak. We had a good rapport and understanding; as well became such good friends that we would lay down our lives for each other. Again this is something we work out as adults and these men are not insecure with themselves. Not something you can accomplish in the civilian world as I have found out. Are you speaking from experience or what you know. Actually I am speak from experience by working with these guys. I am still in contact with these guys and they freely will talk to me about anything. And women say they understand MEN. Nope; I will never understand men. I can work with them and get along but never understand them. They are way too complicated. I just had a good rapport with my guy friends and as I said the average civilian man doesn't get it. See we are equal's. I suppose so. One of the guys I served on ship with back in 1990 told another guy that he thought I was hell of a boatswain. To this day; he never said it to my face but I already knew he respected me. This is the type of rapport I have never had in a relationship but have had with my male friends. You and my mother would get along great she knocked a few teeth out in the galley.

navygirl Joined Sat 06/02/07 Posts: 8118	Fri 11/02/12 12:49 PM
Since when did independent/independence become the definition for feminism?....Feminism is about "defining and establishing" EQUAL RIGHTS for women as they DIRECTLY relate to men's rights socially, politically, and economically!...Independence is the PRICE TAG women pay for this equality, which, FYI, is still not fully achieved... If men and women are secure within themselves, feminism should only serve to enhance their relationships with each other.... I agree!...Back in the 60's and 70's many women fought for "fair custody rights" for fathers after a divorce. This was an important issue for me...I didn't want to see kids deprived of time with their fathers...And a lot of men supported equal rights and better pay for women...How can we push for positive changes in society (for everyone) if we're bogged down in silly "tit for tat" kind of games? And never bother to look for "common ground?" Speaking peer to peer, yes, yes, yes!...The game of "tit for tat" is child's play.... I agree with what you wrote about being secure too...A secure man doesn't want or need a "shadow" or a "cheerleader." Or a "little woman" by his side to make him look "tall!" Yes, so true...I found many of the posts troubling because there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about feminism and HOW and WHY the feminist movement(s) came about...In order to continue to effect positive change, understanding by both men and women is vital...Unfortunately, women are still fighting for equal ground, especially in the workplace and the political arena...This makes it doubly important for our young men and women to have a clear and concise understanding of feminism and how it benefits society as a whole....Women have much to contribute....Their contribution to society should not be limited to that of homemaker, wife, and mother...In fact, time has proven that the traditional household is becoming a luxury most modern families can no longer afford.... This is so true about fighting for equal ground. I had quite the battle with that serving in the military. The men found out that I was quite capable of doing my job without me damaging their male ego or masculinity. This goes back to the domainance issue. Due you think any man worthy of being in charge would express the fact you damaged their male ego or masculinity. You see I know for a fact that I didn't damage their ego or masculinity as I took nothing away from them as we daily talked about things like this. I lived with these men day and night so to speak. We had a good rapport and understanding; as well became such good friends that we would lay down our lives for each other. Again this is something we work out as adults and these men are not insecure with themselves. Not something you can accomplish in the civilian world as I have found out. Are you speaking from experience or what you know. Actually I am speak from experience by working with these guys. I am still in contact with these guys and they freely will talk to me about anything. And women say they understand MEN. Nope; I will never understand men. I can work with them and get along but never understand them. They are way too complicated. I just had a good rapport with my guy friends and as I said the average civilian man doesn't get it. See we are equal's. I suppose so. One of the guys I served on ship with back in 1990 told another guy that he thought I was hell of a boatswain. To this day; he never said it to my face but I already knew he respected me. This is the type of rapport I have never had in a relationship but have had with my male friends. You and my mother would get along great she knocked a few teeth out in the galley. Well; I can't say I didn't get into a few scraps in my career but the biggest one was it was an army/navy scrap and one of my shipmates got hit; so being a good shipmate I got into the thick of things. Got my nose broken and stunned my Captain as he didn't know what to even say as he never dealt with having to discipline women. All of us got the same punishment though; written up and extra short patrol duties. He made a remark off the record that he was impressed that I stood up for my shipmate. LOL

SpicyExcel Joined Wed 10/31/12 Posts: 1622	Fri 11/02/12 12:54 PM
Since when did independent/independence become the definition for feminism?....Feminism is about "defining and establishing" EQUAL RIGHTS for women as they DIRECTLY relate to men's rights socially, politically, and economically!...Independence is the PRICE TAG women pay for this equality, which, FYI, is still not fully achieved... If men and women are secure within themselves, feminism should only serve to enhance their relationships with each other.... I agree!...Back in the 60's and 70's many women fought for "fair custody rights" for fathers after a divorce. This was an important issue for me...I didn't want to see kids deprived of time with their fathers...And a lot of men supported equal rights and better pay for women...How can we push for positive changes in society (for everyone) if we're bogged down in silly "tit for tat" kind of games? And never bother to look for "common ground?" Speaking peer to peer, yes, yes, yes!...The game of "tit for tat" is child's play.... I agree with what you wrote about being secure too...A secure man doesn't want or need a "shadow" or a "cheerleader." Or a "little woman" by his side to make him look "tall!" Yes, so true...I found many of the posts troubling because there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about feminism and HOW and WHY the feminist movement(s) came about...In order to continue to effect positive change, understanding by both men and women is vital...Unfortunately, women are still fighting for equal ground, especially in the workplace and the political arena...This makes it doubly important for our young men and women to have a clear and concise understanding of feminism and how it benefits society as a whole....Women have much to contribute....Their contribution to society should not be limited to that of homemaker, wife, and mother...In fact, time has proven that the traditional household is becoming a luxury most modern families can no longer afford.... This is so true about fighting for equal ground. I had quite the battle with that serving in the military. The men found out that I was quite capable of doing my job without me damaging their male ego or masculinity. This goes back to the domainance issue. Due you think any man worthy of being in charge would express the fact you damaged their male ego or masculinity. You see I know for a fact that I didn't damage their ego or masculinity as I took nothing away from them as we daily talked about things like this. I lived with these men day and night so to speak. We had a good rapport and understanding; as well became such good friends that we would lay down our lives for each other. Again this is something we work out as adults and these men are not insecure with themselves. Not something you can accomplish in the civilian world as I have found out. Are you speaking from experience or what you know. Actually I am speak from experience by working with these guys. I am still in contact with these guys and they freely will talk to me about anything. And women say they understand MEN. Nope; I will never understand men. I can work with them and get along but never understand them. They are way too complicated. I just had a good rapport with my guy friends and as I said the average civilian man doesn't get it. See we are equal's. I suppose so. One of the guys I served on ship with back in 1990 told another guy that he thought I was hell of a boatswain. To this day; he never said it to my face but I already knew he respected me. This is the type of rapport I have never had in a relationship but have had with my male friends. You and my mother would get along great she knocked a few teeth out in the galley. Well; I can't say I didn't get into a few scraps in my career but the biggest one was it was an army/navy scrap and one of my shipmates got hit; so being a good shipmate I got into the thick of things. Got my nose broken and stunned my Captain as he didn't know what to even say as he never dealt with having to discipline women. All of us got the same punishment though; written up and extra short patrol duties. He made a remark off the record that he was impressed that I stood up for my shipmate. LOL Did he give you a letter of recommendation for your valour, later.

navygirl Joined Sat 06/02/07 Posts: 8118	Fri 11/02/12 12:58 PM
Since when did independent/independence become the definition for feminism?....Feminism is about "defining and establishing" EQUAL RIGHTS for women as they DIRECTLY relate to men's rights socially, politically, and economically!...Independence is the PRICE TAG women pay for this equality, which, FYI, is still not fully achieved... If men and women are secure within themselves, feminism should only serve to enhance their relationships with each other.... I agree!...Back in the 60's and 70's many women fought for "fair custody rights" for fathers after a divorce. This was an important issue for me...I didn't want to see kids deprived of time with their fathers...And a lot of men supported equal rights and better pay for women...How can we push for positive changes in society (for everyone) if we're bogged down in silly "tit for tat" kind of games? And never bother to look for "common ground?" Speaking peer to peer, yes, yes, yes!...The game of "tit for tat" is child's play.... I agree with what you wrote about being secure too...A secure man doesn't want or need a "shadow" or a "cheerleader." Or a "little woman" by his side to make him look "tall!" Yes, so true...I found many of the posts troubling because there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about feminism and HOW and WHY the feminist movement(s) came about...In order to continue to effect positive change, understanding by both men and women is vital...Unfortunately, women are still fighting for equal ground, especially in the workplace and the political arena...This makes it doubly important for our young men and women to have a clear and concise understanding of feminism and how it benefits society as a whole....Women have much to contribute....Their contribution to society should not be limited to that of homemaker, wife, and mother...In fact, time has proven that the traditional household is becoming a luxury most modern families can no longer afford.... This is so true about fighting for equal ground. I had quite the battle with that serving in the military. The men found out that I was quite capable of doing my job without me damaging their male ego or masculinity. This goes back to the domainance issue. Due you think any man worthy of being in charge would express the fact you damaged their male ego or masculinity. You see I know for a fact that I didn't damage their ego or masculinity as I took nothing away from them as we daily talked about things like this. I lived with these men day and night so to speak. We had a good rapport and understanding; as well became such good friends that we would lay down our lives for each other. Again this is something we work out as adults and these men are not insecure with themselves. Not something you can accomplish in the civilian world as I have found out. Are you speaking from experience or what you know. Actually I am speak from experience by working with these guys. I am still in contact with these guys and they freely will talk to me about anything. And women say they understand MEN. Nope; I will never understand men. I can work with them and get along but never understand them. They are way too complicated. I just had a good rapport with my guy friends and as I said the average civilian man doesn't get it. See we are equal's. I suppose so. One of the guys I served on ship with back in 1990 told another guy that he thought I was hell of a boatswain. To this day; he never said it to my face but I already knew he respected me. This is the type of rapport I have never had in a relationship but have had with my male friends. You and my mother would get along great she knocked a few teeth out in the galley. Well; I can't say I didn't get into a few scraps in my career but the biggest one was it was an army/navy scrap and one of my shipmates got hit; so being a good shipmate I got into the thick of things. Got my nose broken and stunned my Captain as he didn't know what to even say as he never dealt with having to discipline women. All of us got the same punishment though; written up and extra short patrol duties. He made a remark off the record that he was impressed that I stood up for my shipmate. LOL Did he give you a letter of recommendation for your valour, later. Nope, but bought me a drink.

SpicyExcel Joined Wed 10/31/12 Posts: 1622	Fri 11/02/12 01:04 PM
Since when did independent/independence become the definition for feminism?....Feminism is about "defining and establishing" EQUAL RIGHTS for women as they DIRECTLY relate to men's rights socially, politically, and economically!...Independence is the PRICE TAG women pay for this equality, which, FYI, is still not fully achieved... If men and women are secure within themselves, feminism should only serve to enhance their relationships with each other.... I agree!...Back in the 60's and 70's many women fought for "fair custody rights" for fathers after a divorce. This was an important issue for me...I didn't want to see kids deprived of time with their fathers...And a lot of men supported equal rights and better pay for women...How can we push for positive changes in society (for everyone) if we're bogged down in silly "tit for tat" kind of games? And never bother to look for "common ground?" Speaking peer to peer, yes, yes, yes!...The game of "tit for tat" is child's play.... I agree with what you wrote about being secure too...A secure man doesn't want or need a "shadow" or a "cheerleader." Or a "little woman" by his side to make him look "tall!" Yes, so true...I found many of the posts troubling because there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about feminism and HOW and WHY the feminist movement(s) came about...In order to continue to effect positive change, understanding by both men and women is vital...Unfortunately, women are still fighting for equal ground, especially in the workplace and the political arena...This makes it doubly important for our young men and women to have a clear and concise understanding of feminism and how it benefits society as a whole....Women have much to contribute....Their contribution to society should not be limited to that of homemaker, wife, and mother...In fact, time has proven that the traditional household is becoming a luxury most modern families can no longer afford.... This is so true about fighting for equal ground. I had quite the battle with that serving in the military. The men found out that I was quite capable of doing my job without me damaging their male ego or masculinity. This goes back to the domainance issue. Due you think any man worthy of being in charge would express the fact you damaged their male ego or masculinity. You see I know for a fact that I didn't damage their ego or masculinity as I took nothing away from them as we daily talked about things like this. I lived with these men day and night so to speak. We had a good rapport and understanding; as well became such good friends that we would lay down our lives for each other. Again this is something we work out as adults and these men are not insecure with themselves. Not something you can accomplish in the civilian world as I have found out. Are you speaking from experience or what you know. Actually I am speak from experience by working with these guys. I am still in contact with these guys and they freely will talk to me about anything. And women say they understand MEN. Nope; I will never understand men. I can work with them and get along but never understand them. They are way too complicated. I just had a good rapport with my guy friends and as I said the average civilian man doesn't get it. See we are equal's. I suppose so. One of the guys I served on ship with back in 1990 told another guy that he thought I was hell of a boatswain. To this day; he never said it to my face but I already knew he respected me. This is the type of rapport I have never had in a relationship but have had with my male friends. You and my mother would get along great she knocked a few teeth out in the galley. Well; I can't say I didn't get into a few scraps in my career but the biggest one was it was an army/navy scrap and one of my shipmates got hit; so being a good shipmate I got into the thick of things. Got my nose broken and stunned my Captain as he didn't know what to even say as he never dealt with having to discipline women. All of us got the same punishment though; written up and extra short patrol duties. He made a remark off the record that he was impressed that I stood up for my shipmate. LOL Did he give you a letter of recommendation for your valour, later. Nope, but bought me a drink. What happended after that? Do you kiss and tell?

navygirl Joined Sat 06/02/07 Posts: 8118	Fri 11/02/12 01:10 PM
Since when did independent/independence become the definition for feminism?....Feminism is about "defining and establishing" EQUAL RIGHTS for women as they DIRECTLY relate to men's rights socially, politically, and economically!...Independence is the PRICE TAG women pay for this equality, which, FYI, is still not fully achieved... If men and women are secure within themselves, feminism should only serve to enhance their relationships with each other.... I agree!...Back in the 60's and 70's many women fought for "fair custody rights" for fathers after a divorce. This was an important issue for me...I didn't want to see kids deprived of time with their fathers...And a lot of men supported equal rights and better pay for women...How can we push for positive changes in society (for everyone) if we're bogged down in silly "tit for tat" kind of games? And never bother to look for "common ground?" Speaking peer to peer, yes, yes, yes!...The game of "tit for tat" is child's play.... I agree with what you wrote about being secure too...A secure man doesn't want or need a "shadow" or a "cheerleader." Or a "little woman" by his side to make him look "tall!" Yes, so true...I found many of the posts troubling because there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about feminism and HOW and WHY the feminist movement(s) came about...In order to continue to effect positive change, understanding by both men and women is vital...Unfortunately, women are still fighting for equal ground, especially in the workplace and the political arena...This makes it doubly important for our young men and women to have a clear and concise understanding of feminism and how it benefits society as a whole....Women have much to contribute....Their contribution to society should not be limited to that of homemaker, wife, and mother...In fact, time has proven that the traditional household is becoming a luxury most modern families can no longer afford.... This is so true about fighting for equal ground. I had quite the battle with that serving in the military. The men found out that I was quite capable of doing my job without me damaging their male ego or masculinity. This goes back to the domainance issue. Due you think any man worthy of being in charge would express the fact you damaged their male ego or masculinity. You see I know for a fact that I didn't damage their ego or masculinity as I took nothing away from them as we daily talked about things like this. I lived with these men day and night so to speak. We had a good rapport and understanding; as well became such good friends that we would lay down our lives for each other. Again this is something we work out as adults and these men are not insecure with themselves. Not something you can accomplish in the civilian world as I have found out. Are you speaking from experience or what you know. Actually I am speak from experience by working with these guys. I am still in contact with these guys and they freely will talk to me about anything. And women say they understand MEN. Nope; I will never understand men. I can work with them and get along but never understand them. They are way too complicated. I just had a good rapport with my guy friends and as I said the average civilian man doesn't get it. See we are equal's. I suppose so. One of the guys I served on ship with back in 1990 told another guy that he thought I was hell of a boatswain. To this day; he never said it to my face but I already knew he respected me. This is the type of rapport I have never had in a relationship but have had with my male friends. You and my mother would get along great she knocked a few teeth out in the galley. Well; I can't say I didn't get into a few scraps in my career but the biggest one was it was an army/navy scrap and one of my shipmates got hit; so being a good shipmate I got into the thick of things. Got my nose broken and stunned my Captain as he didn't know what to even say as he never dealt with having to discipline women. All of us got the same punishment though; written up and extra short patrol duties. He made a remark off the record that he was impressed that I stood up for my shipmate. LOL Did he give you a letter of recommendation for your valour, later. Nope, but bought me a drink. What happended after that? Do you kiss and tell? Nothing; I don't get involved with co-workers or my bosses.

SpicyExcel Joined Wed 10/31/12 Posts: 1622	Fri 11/02/12 01:18 PM
Since when did independent/independence become the definition for feminism?....Feminism is about "defining and establishing" EQUAL RIGHTS for women as they DIRECTLY relate to men's rights socially, politically, and economically!...Independence is the PRICE TAG women pay for this equality, which, FYI, is still not fully achieved... If men and women are secure within themselves, feminism should only serve to enhance their relationships with each other.... I agree!...Back in the 60's and 70's many women fought for "fair custody rights" for fathers after a divorce. This was an important issue for me...I didn't want to see kids deprived of time with their fathers...And a lot of men supported equal rights and better pay for women...How can we push for positive changes in society (for everyone) if we're bogged down in silly "tit for tat" kind of games? And never bother to look for "common ground?" Speaking peer to peer, yes, yes, yes!...The game of "tit for tat" is child's play.... I agree with what you wrote about being secure too...A secure man doesn't want or need a "shadow" or a "cheerleader." Or a "little woman" by his side to make him look "tall!" Yes, so true...I found many of the posts troubling because there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about feminism and HOW and WHY the feminist movement(s) came about...In order to continue to effect positive change, understanding by both men and women is vital...Unfortunately, women are still fighting for equal ground, especially in the workplace and the political arena...This makes it doubly important for our young men and women to have a clear and concise understanding of feminism and how it benefits society as a whole....Women have much to contribute....Their contribution to society should not be limited to that of homemaker, wife, and mother...In fact, time has proven that the traditional household is becoming a luxury most modern families can no longer afford.... This is so true about fighting for equal ground. I had quite the battle with that serving in the military. The men found out that I was quite capable of doing my job without me damaging their male ego or masculinity. This goes back to the domainance issue. Due you think any man worthy of being in charge would express the fact you damaged their male ego or masculinity. You see I know for a fact that I didn't damage their ego or masculinity as I took nothing away from them as we daily talked about things like this. I lived with these men day and night so to speak. We had a good rapport and understanding; as well became such good friends that we would lay down our lives for each other. Again this is something we work out as adults and these men are not insecure with themselves. Not something you can accomplish in the civilian world as I have found out. Are you speaking from experience or what you know. Actually I am speak from experience by working with these guys. I am still in contact with these guys and they freely will talk to me about anything. And women say they understand MEN. Nope; I will never understand men. I can work with them and get along but never understand them. They are way too complicated. I just had a good rapport with my guy friends and as I said the average civilian man doesn't get it. See we are equal's. I suppose so. One of the guys I served on ship with back in 1990 told another guy that he thought I was hell of a boatswain. To this day; he never said it to my face but I already knew he respected me. This is the type of rapport I have never had in a relationship but have had with my male friends. You and my mother would get along great she knocked a few teeth out in the galley. Well; I can't say I didn't get into a few scraps in my career but the biggest one was it was an army/navy scrap and one of my shipmates got hit; so being a good shipmate I got into the thick of things. Got my nose broken and stunned my Captain as he didn't know what to even say as he never dealt with having to discipline women. All of us got the same punishment though; written up and extra short patrol duties. He made a remark off the record that he was impressed that I stood up for my shipmate. LOL Did he give you a letter of recommendation for your valour, later. Nope, but bought me a drink. What happended after that? Do you kiss and tell? Nothing; I don't get involved with co-workers or my bosses. You earned your position and became independent then.

navygirl Joined Sat 06/02/07 Posts: 8118	Fri 11/02/12 01:21 PM
Since when did independent/independence become the definition for feminism?....Feminism is about "defining and establishing" EQUAL RIGHTS for women as they DIRECTLY relate to men's rights socially, politically, and economically!...Independence is the PRICE TAG women pay for this equality, which, FYI, is still not fully achieved... If men and women are secure within themselves, feminism should only serve to enhance their relationships with each other.... I agree!...Back in the 60's and 70's many women fought for "fair custody rights" for fathers after a divorce. This was an important issue for me...I didn't want to see kids deprived of time with their fathers...And a lot of men supported equal rights and better pay for women...How can we push for positive changes in society (for everyone) if we're bogged down in silly "tit for tat" kind of games? And never bother to look for "common ground?" Speaking peer to peer, yes, yes, yes!...The game of "tit for tat" is child's play.... I agree with what you wrote about being secure too...A secure man doesn't want or need a "shadow" or a "cheerleader." Or a "little woman" by his side to make him look "tall!" Yes, so true...I found many of the posts troubling because there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about feminism and HOW and WHY the feminist movement(s) came about...In order to continue to effect positive change, understanding by both men and women is vital...Unfortunately, women are still fighting for equal ground, especially in the workplace and the political arena...This makes it doubly important for our young men and women to have a clear and concise understanding of feminism and how it benefits society as a whole....Women have much to contribute....Their contribution to society should not be limited to that of homemaker, wife, and mother...In fact, time has proven that the traditional household is becoming a luxury most modern families can no longer afford.... This is so true about fighting for equal ground. I had quite the battle with that serving in the military. The men found out that I was quite capable of doing my job without me damaging their male ego or masculinity. This goes back to the domainance issue. Due you think any man worthy of being in charge would express the fact you damaged their male ego or masculinity. You see I know for a fact that I didn't damage their ego or masculinity as I took nothing away from them as we daily talked about things like this. I lived with these men day and night so to speak. We had a good rapport and understanding; as well became such good friends that we would lay down our lives for each other. Again this is something we work out as adults and these men are not insecure with themselves. Not something you can accomplish in the civilian world as I have found out. Are you speaking from experience or what you know. Actually I am speak from experience by working with these guys. I am still in contact with these guys and they freely will talk to me about anything. And women say they understand MEN. Nope; I will never understand men. I can work with them and get along but never understand them. They are way too complicated. I just had a good rapport with my guy friends and as I said the average civilian man doesn't get it. See we are equal's. I suppose so. One of the guys I served on ship with back in 1990 told another guy that he thought I was hell of a boatswain. To this day; he never said it to my face but I already knew he respected me. This is the type of rapport I have never had in a relationship but have had with my male friends. You and my mother would get along great she knocked a few teeth out in the galley. Well; I can't say I didn't get into a few scraps in my career but the biggest one was it was an army/navy scrap and one of my shipmates got hit; so being a good shipmate I got into the thick of things. Got my nose broken and stunned my Captain as he didn't know what to even say as he never dealt with having to discipline women. All of us got the same punishment though; written up and extra short patrol duties. He made a remark off the record that he was impressed that I stood up for my shipmate. LOL Did he give you a letter of recommendation for your valour, later. Nope, but bought me a drink. What happended after that? Do you kiss and tell? Nothing; I don't get involved with co-workers or my bosses. You earned your position and became independent then. Yes and I still do that. I don't want any special treatment from anyone.

SpicyExcel Joined Wed 10/31/12 Posts: 1622	Fri 11/02/12 01:25 PM
Since when did independent/independence become the definition for feminism?....Feminism is about "defining and establishing" EQUAL RIGHTS for women as they DIRECTLY relate to men's rights socially, politically, and economically!...Independence is the PRICE TAG women pay for this equality, which, FYI, is still not fully achieved... If men and women are secure within themselves, feminism should only serve to enhance their relationships with each other.... I agree!...Back in the 60's and 70's many women fought for "fair custody rights" for fathers after a divorce. This was an important issue for me...I didn't want to see kids deprived of time with their fathers...And a lot of men supported equal rights and better pay for women...How can we push for positive changes in society (for everyone) if we're bogged down in silly "tit for tat" kind of games? And never bother to look for "common ground?" Speaking peer to peer, yes, yes, yes!...The game of "tit for tat" is child's play.... I agree with what you wrote about being secure too...A secure man doesn't want or need a "shadow" or a "cheerleader." Or a "little woman" by his side to make him look "tall!" Yes, so true...I found many of the posts troubling because there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about feminism and HOW and WHY the feminist movement(s) came about...In order to continue to effect positive change, understanding by both men and women is vital...Unfortunately, women are still fighting for equal ground, especially in the workplace and the political arena...This makes it doubly important for our young men and women to have a clear and concise understanding of feminism and how it benefits society as a whole....Women have much to contribute....Their contribution to society should not be limited to that of homemaker, wife, and mother...In fact, time has proven that the traditional household is becoming a luxury most modern families can no longer afford.... This is so true about fighting for equal ground. I had quite the battle with that serving in the military. The men found out that I was quite capable of doing my job without me damaging their male ego or masculinity. This goes back to the domainance issue. Due you think any man worthy of being in charge would express the fact you damaged their male ego or masculinity. You see I know for a fact that I didn't damage their ego or masculinity as I took nothing away from them as we daily talked about things like this. I lived with these men day and night so to speak. We had a good rapport and understanding; as well became such good friends that we would lay down our lives for each other. Again this is something we work out as adults and these men are not insecure with themselves. Not something you can accomplish in the civilian world as I have found out. Are you speaking from experience or what you know. Actually I am speak from experience by working with these guys. I am still in contact with these guys and they freely will talk to me about anything. And women say they understand MEN. Nope; I will never understand men. I can work with them and get along but never understand them. They are way too complicated. I just had a good rapport with my guy friends and as I said the average civilian man doesn't get it. See we are equal's. I suppose so. One of the guys I served on ship with back in 1990 told another guy that he thought I was hell of a boatswain. To this day; he never said it to my face but I already knew he respected me. This is the type of rapport I have never had in a relationship but have had with my male friends. You and my mother would get along great she knocked a few teeth out in the galley. Well; I can't say I didn't get into a few scraps in my career but the biggest one was it was an army/navy scrap and one of my shipmates got hit; so being a good shipmate I got into the thick of things. Got my nose broken and stunned my Captain as he didn't know what to even say as he never dealt with having to discipline women. All of us got the same punishment though; written up and extra short patrol duties. He made a remark off the record that he was impressed that I stood up for my shipmate. LOL Did he give you a letter of recommendation for your valour, later. Nope, but bought me a drink. What happended after that? Do you kiss and tell? Nothing; I don't get involved with co-workers or my bosses. You earned your position and became independent then. Yes and I still do that. I don't want any special treatment from anyone. That's the best way to live our live's owning no one.

navygirl Joined Sat 06/02/07 Posts: 8118	Fri 11/02/12 01:34 PM
Since when did independent/independence become the definition for feminism?....Feminism is about "defining and establishing" EQUAL RIGHTS for women as they DIRECTLY relate to men's rights socially, politically, and economically!...Independence is the PRICE TAG women pay for this equality, which, FYI, is still not fully achieved... If men and women are secure within themselves, feminism should only serve to enhance their relationships with each other.... I agree!...Back in the 60's and 70's many women fought for "fair custody rights" for fathers after a divorce. This was an important issue for me...I didn't want to see kids deprived of time with their fathers...And a lot of men supported equal rights and better pay for women...How can we push for positive changes in society (for everyone) if we're bogged down in silly "tit for tat" kind of games? And never bother to look for "common ground?" Speaking peer to peer, yes, yes, yes!...The game of "tit for tat" is child's play.... I agree with what you wrote about being secure too...A secure man doesn't want or need a "shadow" or a "cheerleader." Or a "little woman" by his side to make him look "tall!" Yes, so true...I found many of the posts troubling because there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about feminism and HOW and WHY the feminist movement(s) came about...In order to continue to effect positive change, understanding by both men and women is vital...Unfortunately, women are still fighting for equal ground, especially in the workplace and the political arena...This makes it doubly important for our young men and women to have a clear and concise understanding of feminism and how it benefits society as a whole....Women have much to contribute....Their contribution to society should not be limited to that of homemaker, wife, and mother...In fact, time has proven that the traditional household is becoming a luxury most modern families can no longer afford.... This is so true about fighting for equal ground. I had quite the battle with that serving in the military. The men found out that I was quite capable of doing my job without me damaging their male ego or masculinity. This goes back to the domainance issue. Due you think any man worthy of being in charge would express the fact you damaged their male ego or masculinity. You see I know for a fact that I didn't damage their ego or masculinity as I took nothing away from them as we daily talked about things like this. I lived with these men day and night so to speak. We had a good rapport and understanding; as well became such good friends that we would lay down our lives for each other. Again this is something we work out as adults and these men are not insecure with themselves. Not something you can accomplish in the civilian world as I have found out. Are you speaking from experience or what you know. Actually I am speak from experience by working with these guys. I am still in contact with these guys and they freely will talk to me about anything. And women say they understand MEN. Nope; I will never understand men. I can work with them and get along but never understand them. They are way too complicated. I just had a good rapport with my guy friends and as I said the average civilian man doesn't get it. See we are equal's. I suppose so. One of the guys I served on ship with back in 1990 told another guy that he thought I was hell of a boatswain. To this day; he never said it to my face but I already knew he respected me. This is the type of rapport I have never had in a relationship but have had with my male friends. You and my mother would get along great she knocked a few teeth out in the galley. Well; I can't say I didn't get into a few scraps in my career but the biggest one was it was an army/navy scrap and one of my shipmates got hit; so being a good shipmate I got into the thick of things. Got my nose broken and stunned my Captain as he didn't know what to even say as he never dealt with having to discipline women. All of us got the same punishment though; written up and extra short patrol duties. He made a remark off the record that he was impressed that I stood up for my shipmate. LOL Did he give you a letter of recommendation for your valour, later. Nope, but bought me a drink. What happended after that? Do you kiss and tell? Nothing; I don't get involved with co-workers or my bosses. You earned your position and became independent then. Yes and I still do that. I don't want any special treatment from anyone. That's the best way to live our live's owning no one.

SpicyExcel Joined Wed 10/31/12 Posts: 1622	Fri 11/02/12 01:36 PM
Since when did independent/independence become the definition for feminism?....Feminism is about "defining and establishing" EQUAL RIGHTS for women as they DIRECTLY relate to men's rights socially, politically, and economically!...Independence is the PRICE TAG women pay for this equality, which, FYI, is still not fully achieved... If men and women are secure within themselves, feminism should only serve to enhance their relationships with each other.... I agree!...Back in the 60's and 70's many women fought for "fair custody rights" for fathers after a divorce. This was an important issue for me...I didn't want to see kids deprived of time with their fathers...And a lot of men supported equal rights and better pay for women...How can we push for positive changes in society (for everyone) if we're bogged down in silly "tit for tat" kind of games? And never bother to look for "common ground?" Speaking peer to peer, yes, yes, yes!...The game of "tit for tat" is child's play.... I agree with what you wrote about being secure too...A secure man doesn't want or need a "shadow" or a "cheerleader." Or a "little woman" by his side to make him look "tall!" Yes, so true...I found many of the posts troubling because there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about feminism and HOW and WHY the feminist movement(s) came about...In order to continue to effect positive change, understanding by both men and women is vital...Unfortunately, women are still fighting for equal ground, especially in the workplace and the political arena...This makes it doubly important for our young men and women to have a clear and concise understanding of feminism and how it benefits society as a whole....Women have much to contribute....Their contribution to society should not be limited to that of homemaker, wife, and mother...In fact, time has proven that the traditional household is becoming a luxury most modern families can no longer afford.... This is so true about fighting for equal ground. I had quite the battle with that serving in the military. The men found out that I was quite capable of doing my job without me damaging their male ego or masculinity. This goes back to the domainance issue. Due you think any man worthy of being in charge would express the fact you damaged their male ego or masculinity. You see I know for a fact that I didn't damage their ego or masculinity as I took nothing away from them as we daily talked about things like this. I lived with these men day and night so to speak. We had a good rapport and understanding; as well became such good friends that we would lay down our lives for each other. Again this is something we work out as adults and these men are not insecure with themselves. Not something you can accomplish in the civilian world as I have found out. Are you speaking from experience or what you know. Actually I am speak from experience by working with these guys. I am still in contact with these guys and they freely will talk to me about anything. And women say they understand MEN. Nope; I will never understand men. I can work with them and get along but never understand them. They are way too complicated. I just had a good rapport with my guy friends and as I said the average civilian man doesn't get it. See we are equal's. I suppose so. One of the guys I served on ship with back in 1990 told another guy that he thought I was hell of a boatswain. To this day; he never said it to my face but I already knew he respected me. This is the type of rapport I have never had in a relationship but have had with my male friends. You and my mother would get along great she knocked a few teeth out in the galley. Well; I can't say I didn't get into a few scraps in my career but the biggest one was it was an army/navy scrap and one of my shipmates got hit; so being a good shipmate I got into the thick of things. Got my nose broken and stunned my Captain as he didn't know what to even say as he never dealt with having to discipline women. All of us got the same punishment though; written up and extra short patrol duties. He made a remark off the record that he was impressed that I stood up for my shipmate. LOL Did he give you a letter of recommendation for your valour, later. Nope, but bought me a drink. What happended after that? Do you kiss and tell? Nothing; I don't get involved with co-workers or my bosses. You earned your position and became independent then. Yes and I still do that. I don't want any special treatment from anyone. That's the best way to live our live's owning no one. NO SWEAT!

SpicyExcel Joined Wed 10/31/12 Posts: 1622	Fri 11/02/12 04:23 PM
Navygirl left me.

navygirl Joined Sat 06/02/07 Posts: 8118	Fri 11/02/12 04:24 PM
Navygirl left me. He He; actually just getting ready to leave for my music class. I am sure you can find someone else to play with.

SpicyExcel Joined Wed 10/31/12 Posts: 1622	Fri 11/02/12 04:26 PM
Navygirl left me. He He; actually just getting ready to leave for my music class. I am sure you can find someone else to play with. Not as exciting

wux Joined Wed 07/29/09 Posts: 7426	Fri 11/02/12 06:18 PM
Is this the fundamental reason why some men like to chase and women enjoy playing hard to get in return? Seems to be a lot of the reason a man feels he has to work hard to get "the prize." Whatever happened to passion in relationships anymore? Has this drained out because women stopped being "women" or rather "self sufficient" and can make their own decisions, their own money, have a choice in a guy? I was thinking this could explain a lot of what is really going with broken relationships lately. Today's woman is very different from what she was in the 20s on to about the late 60s. Seems like it could be a factor in the demise in a lot of relationships. Guys, are you bothered by a feminist? This is a slippery eel. if men have a harder time to get access at women, BECAUSE women are independent, then men are proven that their strength and power of attraction has always lain in their superior earning power. Which means that women never actually needed men, other than to be supported by. Which means that romance and passion has never been a major driving force in women's lives for passion and romance... it was a tool to get to a better life. Which means that romance and passion were simply wool over the eyes of men and of society, as they viewed man-woman relationships. Which means that that if romance and passion happens these days, they happen because the two parties involved in it truly feel that way; the prolific occurrance of romance and passion in the 1920 to 1970 were a phalanx, a front, an insencere act of behaviour. In conclusion, romance and passion are not being reduced, neither in importance nor in frequency, but they are becoming themselves, for what they are, they are coming of age, of an age and maturity in their roles in history when their importance is their own virtue, and not merely a valuable commodity for trade.

wux Joined Wed 07/29/09 Posts: 7426	Fri 11/02/12 06:22 PM
Guys and ladies, don't be nuts. You don't need to copy the entire freaking correspondence in each freaking reply. Look a this page, it's a mile long, because you easily and automatically copy the entire prev correspondence. Please try to edit out most of the prev correspondence in new replies. This is how you do it: You highlight the prev correspondence, and hit the del key. You highlight the prev correspondance by placing the cursor on the spot you want the highlight to start, and hitting the down-up-righ-left arrows or the page-up page-up keys until you cover all that you want to highlight. Please make sure there are as many "quote" handles as "/quote" handles, that's the only thing to look out for.

GreenEyes48 Joined Thu 08/26/10 Posts: 1319	Sat 11/03/12 05:33 AM
Is this the fundamental reason why some men like to chase and women enjoy playing hard to get in return? Seems to be a lot of the reason a man feels he has to work hard to get "the prize." Whatever happened to passion in relationships anymore? Has this drained out because women stopped being "women" or rather "self sufficient" and can make their own decisions, their own money, have a choice in a guy? I was thinking this could explain a lot of what is really going with broken relationships lately. Today's woman is very different from what she was in the 20s on to about the late 60s. Seems like it could be a factor in the demise in a lot of relationships. Guys, are you bothered by a feminist? This is a slippery eel. if men have a harder time to get access at women, BECAUSE women are independent, then men are proven that their strength and power of attraction has always lain in their superior earning power. Which means that women never actually needed men, other than to be supported by. Which means that romance and passion has never been a major driving force in women's lives for passion and romance... it was a tool to get to a better life. Which means that romance and passion were simply wool over the eyes of men and of society, as they viewed man-woman relationships. Which means that that if romance and passion happens these days, they happen because the two parties involved in it truly feel that way; the prolific occurrance of romance and passion in the 1920 to 1970 were a phalanx, a front, an insencere act of behaviour. In conclusion, romance and passion are not being reduced, neither in importance nor in frequency, but they are becoming themselves, for what they are, they are coming of age, of an age and maturity in their roles in history when their importance is their own virtue, and not merely a valuable commodity for trade. Interesting!