Topic: IS all life valuable?
Ras427's photo
Fri 10/19/12 09:20 PM
Is all life valuable? Absolutly.

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Fri 10/19/12 09:27 PM
I think having the happy memories are what counts! I just feel slightly peed off, that my mum thinks that ten years on, since my pet died, I shouldn't still feel the heartache of it's death. That "thing" was my little cherub. I can only go by how I feel.

Duttoneer's photo
Sat 10/20/12 02:36 AM
Edited by Duttoneer on Sat 10/20/12 02:40 AM

I just wonder if and why people rank the importance of others lives?

it seems, our culture especially reveres some lost lives more than others and Im just curious as to why?

how many were killed in a theater watching a movie ? did they go there with a reasonable belief that they were risking their lives?

how many go into the line of duty and get killed? do they go in with a reasonable belief they are risking their lives?

how do we decide whose death should cause uproar and whose death is just all in a days news?

dont all those people who die untimely deaths(Whether in a theater or a consulate) have people who will love and miss them?



Duttoneer's photo
Sat 10/20/12 02:41 AM
All life is precious and valuable. When we loose a great person through an untimely death, whether they are a statesman or an eminent scientist whatever their field, the tragedy is all the more, because of what they could have gone on to achieve had they lived. Not that their life was more important than other lives, but the loss of the brilliance of the person to society makes it more profound.

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Sat 10/20/12 06:12 AM
Edited by Leigh2154 on Sat 10/20/12 06:42 AM







I just wonder if and why people rank the importance of others lives?

it seems, our culture especially reveres some lost lives more than others and Im just curious as to why?

how many were killed in a theater watching a movie ? did they go there with a reasonable belief that they were risking their lives?

how many go into the line of duty and get killed? do they go in with a reasonable belief they are risking their lives?

how do we decide whose death should cause uproar and whose death is just all in a days news?

dont all those people who die untimely deaths(Whether in a theater or a consulate) have people who will love and miss them?


huh Allow me to answer your question . . . the question that you seem to be really asking.

The murder of a U.S. ambassador by terrorists on the anniversary of 9/11 is a big deal.

The death of U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens isn't front-page news because he was revered. It is front-page news because he was murdered by terrorists, and the executive branch of the U.S. government had the ability to prevent his murder. It is front-page news because the U.S. public wasn't told the truth about the Ambassador's death after U.S. officials knew the truth. It took the work of the U.S. media for the truth to come out.




I guess thats the best I will get,,,so lets address it

so, does stevens loved ones suffer less because his killers were 'terrorists' than those theater patrons families have suffered at the hands of a mentally ill man who was able to order his armory on line?

or the 9/11 survivors who lost 1000 times as many because of something that could have been prevented much more easily with the intelligence provided than this attack could have with the mere 4 or 5 extra agents that were requested by those in the compound prior to?


his death is tragic, as is the deaths of anyone as far as their loved ones are concerned

and so , on to the broader issue, why do you suppose people are automatically killed when they take , say, a police officers life as opposed to anyone elses

or why do you think the drive by shootings dont get the same response as far as resources , counselors,, etc,, that high school shootings do

or why do you think 'pretty' kids get so much more media attention when they are abducted than more 'ordinary' kids?

how does the media decide which deaths are newsworthy and 'tragic' as opposed to just another death?



laugh Are you serious!!!!....What makes you think the media decideslaugh laugh


umm, because they are the ones to report it to the public,,,what


And why are they doing that Harmony.....Because the PUBLIC deems it newsworthy...You have heard of ratings haven't you....laugh laugh




why does the PUBLIC deem some deaths so newsworthy and tragic and not others,,?


The public deems certain deaths newsworthy DUE TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES of the deaths....The subject of NATIONAL security is just as stated, NATIONAL....Of course terrorist acts resulting in the death of Americans will evoke major NATIONAL (AND WORLD TOO !!!) interest....In the event of a death, newsworthiness is not based upon the "value" people place on the lost lives Harmony, newsworthiness is based upon the circumstances surrounding and leading up to the deaths...People want to know if their president is responsible for allowing four Americans to die because he was so preoccupied raising campaign funds he forgot about the dangers in Benghazi...Four men are dead, America is "entitled" to the truth concerning the circumstances of their deaths (murders)...

msharmony's photo
Sat 10/20/12 09:04 AM

All life is precious and valuable. When we loose a great person through an untimely death, whether they are a statesman or an eminent scientist whatever their field, the tragedy is all the more, because of what they could have gone on to achieve had they lived. Not that their life was more important than other lives, but the loss of the brilliance of the person to society makes it more profound.



interesting,,,

more 'briliance', more tragic the death,,,,

pyxxie13's photo
Sat 10/20/12 10:34 AM
Who are we to judge that one soul is more important than any other. Just because people choose who they like or dislike doesn't make it open season for such profiling.

krupa's photo
Sat 10/20/12 10:52 AM
Thank God this thing is drifting away from the political crap. Jeezus.

Back on topic...is all life valuable?

No.

I am just assuming we are talking about humans here.

An epileptic with a shotgun and Tourets syndrome ....I am good with.

People who do me dirty and don't care....let em all die starving.

GreenEyes48's photo
Sun 10/21/12 08:08 AM
As someone who lost her entire family (husband and both sons) I definitely view everyones' life as valuable and important etc...It's so easy to take people "for granted" and assume that they will live for a long time...My son's cat died unexpectedly last week and it "tore me up."..Nobody can be "replaced." We can't go to the store and buy a "clone" of a loved one who died...Every time we "lose" someone we love (or even a beloved pet) it seems like a part of us "dies-off" too..I feel like I am walking around with a lot of "missing pieces" and "missing parts" since everyone died...But I still have to "go on" (anyway) and find some "value" in still being alive. (On my "own.")

msharmony's photo
Sun 10/21/12 08:34 AM

As someone who lost her entire family (husband and both sons) I definitely view everyones' life as valuable and important etc...It's so easy to take people "for granted" and assume that they will live for a long time...My son's cat died unexpectedly last week and it "tore me up."..Nobody can be "replaced." We can't go to the store and buy a "clone" of a loved one who died...Every time we "lose" someone we love (or even a beloved pet) it seems like a part of us "dies-off" too..I feel like I am walking around with a lot of "missing pieces" and "missing parts" since everyone died...But I still have to "go on" (anyway) and find some "value" in still being alive. (On my "own.")



flowerforyou flowerforyou


you arent alone hon,, I am a firm believer in guardian angels and I know they watch over you as you have watched over others


the only 'joy' I can wrap my head around having when someones life here ends, is the joy that they have moved on to someplace better,,,

GreenEyes48's photo
Sun 10/21/12 08:58 AM
msharmony...Thanks for your caring post...I know I probably come across as "too deep" or "too heavy" at times. (This is why I stay alone a lot!)...I just don't want to "run-away" from all I've "been through." I want to see what I can learn from all of it...ANYWAY back to the topic..I think we live in a world that can "play favorites." (This can happen in families too!)...There is a definite "hierachy" and "sliding scale" when it comes to "value" and "importance." Don't you think?

msharmony's photo
Sun 10/21/12 09:00 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 10/21/12 09:02 AM

msharmony...Thanks for your caring post...I know I probably come across as "too deep" or "too heavy" at times. (This is why I stay alone a lot!)...I just don't want to "run-away" from all I've "been through." I want to see what I can learn from all of it...ANYWAY back to the topic..I think we live in a world that can "play favorites." (This can happen in families too!)...There is a definite "hierachy" and "sliding scale" when it comes to "value" and "importance." Don't you think?


I think so too

as in how we treat people with 'titles' or uniforms when they have suffered, compared to the suffering of less prestigious lives,,,,


I am guilty of it too, I tend to view a childs soul as 'superior' because of its innoncence

I think that is the only groupthink I have in terms of people losing their lives or suffering,,,,,everyone else I have empathy for equally when they struggle

but kids,,,tears me up inside, cause they literally can do so little about it and usually have so little to do with why it happened,,,,

oldsage's photo
Sun 10/21/12 10:09 AM
ALL life is valuable, in some manner.

To many lives are wasted.

lionsbrew's photo
Sun 10/21/12 10:21 AM
I value life but some people are a waste of space.

Dodo_David's photo
Sun 10/21/12 10:37 AM
I think that is the only groupthink I have in terms of people losing their lives or suffering,,,,,everyone else I have empathy for equally when they struggle

but kids,,,tears me up inside, cause they literally can do so little about it and usually have so little to do with why it happened,,,,


Me, too. That is why I have spent the last 25 years sponsoring children trapped in poverty. If you want to feel their pain, then try reading a letter sent to you by one of them.

By the way, a news outlet airs/publishes whatever stories will generate the best ratings. A story about a person's death has to have enough emotional appeal to a broad audience to justify the time/print space used to tell the story.

msharmony's photo
Sun 10/21/12 10:50 AM

I think that is the only groupthink I have in terms of people losing their lives or suffering,,,,,everyone else I have empathy for equally when they struggle

but kids,,,tears me up inside, cause they literally can do so little about it and usually have so little to do with why it happened,,,,


Me, too. That is why I have spent the last 25 years sponsoring children trapped in poverty. If you want to feel their pain, then try reading a letter sent to you by one of them.

By the way, a news outlet airs/publishes whatever stories will generate the best ratings. A story about a person's death has to have enough emotional appeal to a broad audience to justify the time/print space used to tell the story.



understood and I agree

my emotional appeal leans towards children

mainstream tends to lean towards titles and uniforms,,,,

Dodo_David's photo
Sun 10/21/12 12:10 PM
mainstream tends to lean towards titles and uniforms,,,,


or toward people who represent their nation, such as ambassadors.

msharmony's photo
Sun 10/21/12 12:13 PM

mainstream tends to lean towards titles and uniforms,,,,


or toward people who represent their nation, such as ambassadors.



true, thats one perception as well


I consider all americans representatives of america,,and its diversity,personally

but not all get a hefty salary to represent, or a title, or have an obligation,, as does an 'ambassador'


PacificStar48's photo
Sun 10/21/12 12:43 PM
This post caught my attention as I try to distract myself from the lingering pain I feel this morning toasting a chez sandwich my alltime favorite comfort food for the first time since my Dad made the last one.

Death comes to so many and it seems before the holidays when we tend to celebrate with loved ones we are more aware.

It seems the ones we care for parents, children, friends are the ones that hurt us the most. They leave such holes in ou lives.

Then hopefully we feel gratitude and reverance towards those who teach, care for, an defend us.

Probably why it is so painful for us to see the devistation when 9-11 occurred. It wasn't that we feel any less for the janitors, secretarys, clerks, or executives, airline passengers that died that day it is just we know the ones that went in trying to save the fallen were that fragile line between death and us.

I think the death of innocents as in school shootings, the theater maddness, or missings pregnant mothers tends to hold attention because the insanity that is so near us day to day suddenly becomes more apparent. It isn't so much the value of the lives lost it is the fear that only by some whim there go we.

Sometimes I think we intentionally look the other way from death. We all know that the terroists exist in the world but find it easier to pass off on a religion or a persons skin color or country of origin or their own poverty/inability to fight back and say well that is there and I have my own problems here to deal with. Sometimes not even realizeing we are contributeing to some of the problems. As a country we want cheap manufactured goods, cheap food, cheap gasoline, cheap drugs, and cheap gemstones. We don't care that we are turning other countries into polluted death traps and seemed to ignore that we have become more or less totally dependent on the only work we have which is manipulateing money. That most of us could not grow, could not defend, could not exist with out the rest of the world's labor. And who is going to miss us?

How many of us really miss those that are fading from our own midst? You look around the Mingle forums and more and more are getting "long in the tooth". Quite a few are ill and I would hate to try to add up who have "vanished" into the land cyberspace. I wonder how many have given up looking for work, quit dateing, and can't afford the luxery of DSL?

Yes I think the balance of who we greive in passing is rather jaundiced. Doesn't seem fair that the haves and the educated seem to get all the media attention but the media does court the consumers that shop their advertisers. And a lesson that was driven home hard years ago was the refrain I heard all to ofen after the horific Kings Island church bus crash "Why did it have to happen to such nice kids" as if it would have somehow been more acceptable had it been a prison bus or a bunch of snow birds. Loss of life is loss of life. We miss people who pass regardless of what is left of theri life's potential.

msharmony's photo
Sun 10/21/12 12:47 PM

This post caught my attention as I try to distract myself from the lingering pain I feel this morning toasting a chez sandwich my alltime favorite comfort food for the first time since my Dad made the last one.

Death comes to so many and it seems before the holidays when we tend to celebrate with loved ones we are more aware.

It seems the ones we care for parents, children, friends are the ones that hurt us the most. They leave such holes in ou lives.

Then hopefully we feel gratitude and reverance towards those who teach, care for, an defend us.

Probably why it is so painful for us to see the devistation when 9-11 occurred. It wasn't that we feel any less for the janitors, secretarys, clerks, or executives, airline passengers that died that day it is just we know the ones that went in trying to save the fallen were that fragile line between death and us.

I think the death of innocents as in school shootings, the theater maddness, or missings pregnant mothers tends to hold attention because the insanity that is so near us day to day suddenly becomes more apparent. It isn't so much the value of the lives lost it is the fear that only by some whim there go we.

Sometimes I think we intentionally look the other way from death. We all know that the terroists exist in the world but find it easier to pass off on a religion or a persons skin color or country of origin or their own poverty/inability to fight back and say well that is there and I have my own problems here to deal with. Sometimes not even realizeing we are contributeing to some of the problems. As a country we want cheap manufactured goods, cheap food, cheap gasoline, cheap drugs, and cheap gemstones. We don't care that we are turning other countries into polluted death traps and seemed to ignore that we have become more or less totally dependent on the only work we have which is manipulateing money. That most of us could not grow, could not defend, could not exist with out the rest of the world's labor. And who is going to miss us?

How many of us really miss those that are fading from our own midst? You look around the Mingle forums and more and more are getting "long in the tooth". Quite a few are ill and I would hate to try to add up who have "vanished" into the land cyberspace. I wonder how many have given up looking for work, quit dateing, and can't afford the luxery of DSL?

Yes I think the balance of who we greive in passing is rather jaundiced. Doesn't seem fair that the haves and the educated seem to get all the media attention but the media does court the consumers that shop their advertisers. And a lesson that was driven home hard years ago was the refrain I heard all to ofen after the horific Kings Island church bus crash "Why did it have to happen to such nice kids" as if it would have somehow been more acceptable had it been a prison bus or a bunch of snow birds. Loss of life is loss of life. We miss people who pass regardless of what is left of theri life's potential.




well said flowerforyou sorry for your loss