Topic: Surrounded by Bad News, Hope for Obama?
msharmony's photo
Tue 10/16/12 01:17 PM




President Obama is still the better choice to what we are being offered.

No way in hell should Mitt be allowed anywhere close to the white house unless he is the guest entertainment for the president.

Based on what exactly?


Although President Obama is not perfect by a long shot. He is the president who really cares for all of American people not just 53 percent. (which technically equates to the top 1 percent but I will give Mitt the rest for free). He is the only recent president to ever push hard enough to get some kind of health care reform passed. He is the one who knows how to not push religion on others. He truly cares about women's health issues and their access to care. He has reduced the torture at Gitmo by a third, not what I hoped for but better than nothing. He has used his executive powers for the betterment of all of us when congress was acting stupid. He has improved our standing in the world some not well enough but some. He represents us well. He passed control on wall street. He passed control on credit card companies. He has pushed for more jobs with a do nothing congress. He has tried to get the banks to extend the credit to small businesses for them to continue their business. And that is just off the top of my head without looking it up.

That is a lot with a do nothing congress.

He improved our standing in the world how? By lowering our credit score? I used to live in Japan and even had Japanese people tell me he made America look weak. Their words not mine. I don't think healthcare was successful. Pass it so we know What's in it? Good use of executive powers like when he denied the courts evidence that would incriminate government officials on fast and furious? Yes Romney is so against everyone yet his state has a more successful healthcare system? Obama never made congeessecen though his party has the magority? Mitt was an effective governor, in fact he was pretry left leaning as one, but you dont support him because of a statement taken out of context? Imo america has only gotten worse under Obama . I am voting not Obama and he may not be my first choice but i feel Romney is the better choice.


what was the japanese approval rating of the president when he was ELECTED? IM guessing they werent so supportive of him in general,, but thats just a guess...

the healthcare bill is not available for anyone who wishes to know whats in it

Congress PASSED it and he didnt veto it

Romney has ROMNEYCARE, he supported his STATE,, the president supports OBAMA Care to support his country,, why is there any difference implied ?

I respect your right to vote your candidate and my lack of support for Romney isnt as simple as 'a statement taken out of context' but a COLLECTIVE of statements and opinions STRAIGHT FROM HIS OWN MOUTH


Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 10/16/12 01:30 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Tue 10/16/12 01:33 PM


None of that has stopped him before!

If he doesn't like it, he threatens veto, if it doesn't give him the power he wants he does the same, if he still doesn't get what he wants, he uses executive orders.

He's told Congress, SCOTUS and everybody else to kiss his a$$, he doesn't need them, and bullied rather than led for 4 years!

It's no wonder he can't get anything accomplished....most of it is unconstitutional!


why would his threats deter the congress, or should they be weaker than he is expected to be?

he has vetoed exactly TWICE,,,the power has remained with congress


laugh And Elvis still lives!

He hasn't had to veto because he's gotten what he wants or just writes an executive order

The worst part of it is that nothing he fights for does anything but put us farther in debt, promotes welfare or amesty, or violates rights

msharmony's photo
Tue 10/16/12 01:38 PM



None of that has stopped him before!

If he doesn't like it, he threatens veto, if it doesn't give him the power he wants he does the same, if he still doesn't get what he wants, he uses executive orders.

He's told Congress, SCOTUS and everybody else to kiss his a$$, he doesn't need them, and bullied rather than led for 4 years!

It's no wonder he can't get anything accomplished....most of it is unconstitutional!


why would his threats deter the congress, or should they be weaker than he is expected to be?

he has vetoed exactly TWICE,,,the power has remained with congress


laugh And Elvis still lives!

He hasn't had to veto because he's gotten what he wants or just writes an executive order

The worst part of it is that nothing he fights for does anything but put us farther in debt, promotes welfare or amesty, or violates rights



executive orders and laws are two different things

if he has gotten what he wants on one hand, than how has he 'lied' so much on the other hand

cant have it both ways

but this thread isnt changing anyones mind about who they will support or why

good luck at the polls

:banana: :banana: election 2012

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 10/16/12 01:45 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Tue 10/16/12 01:50 PM
scared tears election 2012..... because we will get what the bankers and their media tells us to ask for!

msharmony's photo
Tue 10/16/12 01:49 PM
its the best we got since we cant make them carry us all around in their pocket,,,



Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 10/16/12 01:52 PM

its the best we got since we cant make them carry us all around in their pocket,,,



It's such beliefs that is destroying America, giving us the same thing over and over again, expecting something different to occur

msharmony's photo
Tue 10/16/12 01:58 PM


its the best we got since we cant make them carry us all around in their pocket,,,



It's such beliefs that is destroying America, giving us the same thing over and over again, expecting something different to occur



how would you propose we choose our candidates ?

what non media information is there that would be preferrable,,?

willowdraga's photo
Tue 10/16/12 02:22 PM
Edited by willowdraga on Tue 10/16/12 02:23 PM




President Obama is still the better choice to what we are being offered.

No way in hell should Mitt be allowed anywhere close to the white house unless he is the guest entertainment for the president.

Based on what exactly?


Although President Obama is not perfect by a long shot. He is the president who really cares for all of American people not just 53 percent. (which technically equates to the top 1 percent but I will give Mitt the rest for free). He is the only recent president to ever push hard enough to get some kind of health care reform passed. He is the one who knows how to not push religion on others. He truly cares about women's health issues and their access to care. He has reduced the torture at Gitmo by a third, not what I hoped for but better than nothing. He has used his executive powers for the betterment of all of us when congress was acting stupid. He has improved our standing in the world some not well enough but some. He represents us well. He passed control on wall street. He passed control on credit card companies. He has pushed for more jobs with a do nothing congress. He has tried to get the banks to extend the credit to small businesses for them to continue their business. And that is just off the top of my head without looking it up.

That is a lot with a do nothing congress.

He improved our standing in the world how? By lowering our credit score? I used to live in Japan and even had Japanese people tell me he made America look weak. Their words not mine. I don't think healthcare was successful. Pass it so we know What's in it? Good use of executive powers like when he denied the courts evidence that would incriminate government officials on fast and furious? Yes Romney is so against everyone yet his state has a more successful healthcare system? Obama never made congeessecen though his party has the magority? Mitt was an effective governor, in fact he was pretry left leaning as one, but you dont support him because of a statement taken out of context? Imo america has only gotten worse under Obama . I am voting not Obama and he may not be my first choice but i feel Romney is the better choice.


Well the health care bill is actually Obama care without the Republicans shred job so yea that is a success and would have been for all of us had the dems put their foot down and stopped the stupid Republicans from ruining it.

And he had improved our standing with many different countries that I speak to. So matter of your perspective/projection I suppose.

LOL OUT OF CONTEXT??? Too funny. There is no other context if you can't care about half of the country because you think they are freeloaders, what a sorry piece of human flesh he is....

So yea President Obama still come out on top in this conversation even with your attempt to show otherwise. I did not expect you to vote for all Americans, Chaz. I already know where you stand. Been here too long not to.




Conrad_73's photo
Tue 10/16/12 02:33 PM



None of that has stopped him before!

If he doesn't like it, he threatens veto, if it doesn't give him the power he wants he does the same, if he still doesn't get what he wants, he uses executive orders.

He's told Congress, SCOTUS and everybody else to kiss his a$$, he doesn't need them, and bullied rather than led for 4 years!

It's no wonder he can't get anything accomplished....most of it is unconstitutional!


why would his threats deter the congress, or should they be weaker than he is expected to be?

he has vetoed exactly TWICE,,,the power has remained with congress


laugh And Elvis still lives!

He hasn't had to veto because he's gotten what he wants or just writes an executive order

The worst part of it is that nothing he fights for does anything but put us farther in debt, promotes welfare or amesty, or violates rights
Elvis Lives?laugh noway shocked surprised

When someone in my Country tells one like that,we send them to go and Tell It To The Ferryman!bigsmile

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 10/16/12 02:45 PM
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.” -- Theodore Roosevelt

willing2's photo
Tue 10/16/12 03:07 PM

You did forget that(some members of congress) their pact on inauguration day was to make sure that he failed at anything he tried to do, right?


Where's the link or, is that just yo opinion?

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msharmony's photo
Tue 10/16/12 03:09 PM

“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.” -- Theodore Roosevelt




free speech allows ua to spread all the information or misinformation we choose, about anyone, including presidents

it also allows us to call out those opinions and also allows us to disagree with THEM,,,,



msharmony's photo
Tue 10/16/12 03:14 PM


You did forget that(some members of congress) their pact on inauguration day was to make sure that he failed at anything he tried to do, right?


Where's the link or, is that just yo opinion?

laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-A09a_gHJc



Chazster's photo
Tue 10/16/12 03:15 PM





President Obama is still the better choice to what we are being offered.

No way in hell should Mitt be allowed anywhere close to the white house unless he is the guest entertainment for the president.

Based on what exactly?


Although President Obama is not perfect by a long shot. He is the president who really cares for all of American people not just 53 percent. (which technically equates to the top 1 percent but I will give Mitt the rest for free). He is the only recent president to ever push hard enough to get some kind of health care reform passed. He is the one who knows how to not push religion on others. He truly cares about women's health issues and their access to care. He has reduced the torture at Gitmo by a third, not what I hoped for but better than nothing. He has used his executive powers for the betterment of all of us when congress was acting stupid. He has improved our standing in the world some not well enough but some. He represents us well. He passed control on wall street. He passed control on credit card companies. He has pushed for more jobs with a do nothing congress. He has tried to get the banks to extend the credit to small businesses for them to continue their business. And that is just off the top of my head without looking it up.

That is a lot with a do nothing congress.

He improved our standing in the world how? By lowering our credit score? I used to live in Japan and even had Japanese people tell me he made America look weak. Their words not mine. I don't think healthcare was successful. Pass it so we know What's in it? Good use of executive powers like when he denied the courts evidence that would incriminate government officials on fast and furious? Yes Romney is so against everyone yet his state has a more successful healthcare system? Obama never made congeessecen though his party has the magority? Mitt was an effective governor, in fact he was pretry left leaning as one, but you dont support him because of a statement taken out of context? Imo america has only gotten worse under Obama . I am voting not Obama and he may not be my first choice but i feel Romney is the better choice.


what was the japanese approval rating of the president when he was ELECTED? IM guessing they werent so supportive of him in general,, but thats just a guess...

the healthcare bill is not available for anyone who wishes to know whats in it

Congress PASSED it and he didnt veto it

Romney has ROMNEYCARE, he supported his STATE,, the president supports OBAMA Care to support his country,, why is there any difference implied ?

I respect your right to vote your candidate and my lack of support for Romney isnt as simple as 'a statement taken out of context' but a COLLECTIVE of statements and opinions STRAIGHT FROM HIS OWN MOUTH



The difference is in state government people vote for laws and not Congress. Also different states have different needs which is Why Romney supports state healthcare.

Chazster's photo
Tue 10/16/12 03:18 PM





President Obama is still the better choice to what we are being offered.

No way in hell should Mitt be allowed anywhere close to the white house unless he is the guest entertainment for the president.

Based on what exactly?


Although President Obama is not perfect by a long shot. He is the president who really cares for all of American people not just 53 percent. (which technically equates to the top 1 percent but I will give Mitt the rest for free). He is the only recent president to ever push hard enough to get some kind of health care reform passed. He is the one who knows how to not push religion on others. He truly cares about women's health issues and their access to care. He has reduced the torture at Gitmo by a third, not what I hoped for but better than nothing. He has used his executive powers for the betterment of all of us when congress was acting stupid. He has improved our standing in the world some not well enough but some. He represents us well. He passed control on wall street. He passed control on credit card companies. He has pushed for more jobs with a do nothing congress. He has tried to get the banks to extend the credit to small businesses for them to continue their business. And that is just off the top of my head without looking it up.

That is a lot with a do nothing congress.

He improved our standing in the world how? By lowering our credit score? I used to live in Japan and even had Japanese people tell me he made America look weak. Their words not mine. I don't think healthcare was successful. Pass it so we know What's in it? Good use of executive powers like when he denied the courts evidence that would incriminate government officials on fast and furious? Yes Romney is so against everyone yet his state has a more successful healthcare system? Obama never made congeessecen though his party has the magority? Mitt was an effective governor, in fact he was pretry left leaning as one, but you dont support him because of a statement taken out of context? Imo america has only gotten worse under Obama . I am voting not Obama and he may not be my first choice but i feel Romney is the better choice.


Well the health care bill is actually Obama care without the Republicans shred job so yea that is a success and would have been for all of us had the dems put their foot down and stopped the stupid Republicans from ruining it.

And he had improved our standing with many different countries that I speak to. So matter of your perspective/projection I suppose.

LOL OUT OF CONTEXT??? Too funny. There is no other context if you can't care about half of the country because you think they are freeloaders, what a sorry piece of human flesh he is....

So yea President Obama still come out on top in this conversation even with your attempt to show otherwise. I did not expect you to vote for all Americans, Chaz. I already know where you stand. Been here too long not to.





He said 47% of those who vote not 47% of Americans so Yea people take it out of context.

willing2's photo
Tue 10/16/12 03:21 PM



You did forget that(some members of congress) their pact on inauguration day was to make sure that he failed at anything he tried to do, right?


Where's the link or, is that just yo opinion?

laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-A09a_gHJc




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Very informative faux news.
That's all there is? 8 seconds.
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willing2's photo
Tue 10/16/12 03:25 PM

He said 47% of those who vote not 47% of Americans so Yea people take it out of context.

I can see where 47% of the working class pay no taxes.

Working class, not leeches.

They work but, they don't make enough for the Gov to keep the taxes paid in.

The Gov still collects those taxes, uses them and at the end of the year, sends back the money they used.

What pisses me off is, a boatload of baby machines get bonuses to pump out more welfare cases. They should be offered a bonus to get hysterectomies.

Leeches suck.:wink: laugh

msharmony's photo
Tue 10/16/12 03:33 PM




You did forget that(some members of congress) their pact on inauguration day was to make sure that he failed at anything he tried to do, right?


Where's the link or, is that just yo opinion?

laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-A09a_gHJc




rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
Very informative faux news.
That's all there is? 8 seconds.
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you are right, I dont like snippets either

here is a longer exposure,, pay attention to where he says

some have said it was INDELICATE of me to suggest that our top priority should be to deny obama a second term

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gM-1HbK4qU

willing2's photo
Tue 10/16/12 03:37 PM





You did forget that(some members of congress) their pact on inauguration day was to make sure that he failed at anything he tried to do, right?


Where's the link or, is that just yo opinion?

laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-A09a_gHJc




rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
Very informative faux news.
That's all there is? 8 seconds.
rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl



you are right, I dont like snippets either

here is a longer exposure,, pay attention to where he says

some have said it was INDELICATE of me to suggest that our top priority should be to deny obama a second term

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gM-1HbK4qU

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
Same person.
Faux report.
Not true.
Taken out of context.
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msharmony's photo
Tue 10/16/12 03:44 PM






You did forget that(some members of congress) their pact on inauguration day was to make sure that he failed at anything he tried to do, right?


Where's the link or, is that just yo opinion?

laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-A09a_gHJc




rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
Very informative faux news.
That's all there is? 8 seconds.
rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl



you are right, I dont like snippets either

here is a longer exposure,, pay attention to where he says

some have said it was INDELICATE of me to suggest that our top priority should be to deny obama a second term

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gM-1HbK4qU

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
Same person.
Faux report.
Not true.
Taken out of context.
rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl



lol, dont believe your eyes or ears

there is no other context when the speaker defends the statement as opposed to denying he made it,,,