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Topic: Gun Violence a ‘Social Disease’?
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Sat 08/11/12 11:09 PM

Public Health Experts Reportedly Targeting Gun Violence as ‘Social Disease’

(The Blaze/AP) — Is a gun like a virus, tobacco or alcohol? According to “public health experts,“ who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling for a fresh look at gun violence as a ”social disease,” it is.

What we need, they say, is a “public health approach” to the problem.

Dr. Garen Wintemute of University of California, Davis claims it is no longer enough to tackle gun violence by focusing solely on the people doing the shooting. Dr. Stephen Hargarten, who treated victims of the Sikh temple shootings at the emergency department he heads in Milwaukee, feels the same way.

“What I’m struggling with is, is this the new social norm?” he asked, before asserting: “This is what we’re going to have to live with if we have more personal access to firearms.”

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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/public-health-experts-reportedly-targeting-gun-violence-as-social-disease/

msharmony's photo
Sun 08/12/12 12:50 AM
when more of the 'normal' and 'hardworking' people display a negative trait, it always gets labeled a disease

its still personal responsibility though,,,

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 08/12/12 01:36 AM
maybe this is what is needed!
A bit crude,but right on Target!


TJN's photo
Sun 08/12/12 07:56 AM
I'm tired of listening to people's OPINIONS about this.
Do they mention anything about LEGAL gun ownership vs ILLEGAL gun ownership? NO they just lump it all together.
They try to sound all scientific, but left out that blacks make up 12 % of our population, and commit 50% of the nation’s murders. If blacks murdered at the same rate as whites, we would have one of the lowest murder rates in the world, and it would be 32% lower that what it currently is

I think it would be more accurate to say we have a black murder problem, and that the majority of those getting murdered are also black.

When you study it more in depth, you will find blacks raised by both parents, have the same murder rate as whites.
So if there is any correlation to a "disease" I'd say it's a lack of FAMILY VALUES and RESPONSIBILITY.

willing2's photo
Sun 08/12/12 07:59 AM
That would give the ferals an out.

Claim they were insane.slaphead




BTW, ferals come in all shades.smokin

oldhippie1952's photo
Sun 08/12/12 08:03 AM
What's really driving the trend is men not stepping up and being daddies to babies they produce.

Step up and be a man, or be abstinent.


galendgirl's photo
Sun 08/12/12 09:45 AM

maybe this is what is needed!
A bit crude,but right on Target!




Punny and accurate...

boredinaz06's photo
Sun 08/12/12 10:12 AM



Liberalism is also a social disease, lets find a cure for that first!

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Sun 08/12/12 10:20 AM

maybe this is what is needed!
A bit crude,but right on Target!




Gun jokes for idiots....laugh

A guy cruises thru a stop sign and gets pulled over by a local policeman. Guy hands the cop his driver’s license, insurance verification, plus his concealed carry permit.

“Okay, Mr. Smith,” the cop says. “I see your CCW permit. Are you carrying today?”

“Yes, I am.”

“Well then, better tell me what you got.”

Smith says, “Well, I got a .357 revolver in my inside coat pocket. There’s a 9mm semi-auto in the glove box. And, I’ve got a .22 magnum derringer in my right boot.”

“Okay,” the cop says. “Anything else?”

“Yeah, back in the trunk, there’s an AR15 and a shotgun. That’s about it.”

“Mr. Smith, are you on your way to or from a gun range...?”

“Nope.”

“Well then, what are you afraid of...?”

“Not a damn thing...”
laugh laugh laugh

msharmony's photo
Sun 08/12/12 11:03 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 08/12/12 11:05 AM

I'm tired of listening to people's OPINIONS about this.
Do they mention anything about LEGAL gun ownership vs ILLEGAL gun ownership? NO they just lump it all together.
They try to sound all scientific, but left out that blacks make up 12 % of our population, and commit 50% of the nation’s murders. If blacks murdered at the same rate as whites, we would have one of the lowest murder rates in the world, and it would be 32% lower that what it currently is

I think it would be more accurate to say we have a black murder problem, and that the majority of those getting murdered are also black.

When you study it more in depth, you will find blacks raised by both parents, have the same murder rate as whites.
So if there is any correlation to a "disease" I'd say it's a lack of FAMILY VALUES and RESPONSIBILITY.


we can start another thread on family values and responsibility, and how they correlate with opportunity and social birth place

but for now,,, thats a distraction from the issue of people with guns going into places that would be assumed to be safe (like a movie or a workplace or a church) and shooting up dozens of people with minimum effort or chance for them to escape

and the majority of those crimes, would not change, regardless of black people who rarely commit them,,,,

msharmony's photo
Sun 08/12/12 11:16 AM

I'm tired of listening to people's OPINIONS about this.
Do they mention anything about LEGAL gun ownership vs ILLEGAL gun ownership? NO they just lump it all together.
They try to sound all scientific, but left out that blacks make up 12 % of our population, and commit 50% of the nation’s murders. If blacks murdered at the same rate as whites, we would have one of the lowest murder rates in the world, and it would be 32% lower that what it currently is

I think it would be more accurate to say we have a black murder problem, and that the majority of those getting murdered are also black.

When you study it more in depth, you will find blacks raised by both parents, have the same murder rate as whites.
So if there is any correlation to a "disease" I'd say it's a lack of FAMILY VALUES and RESPONSIBILITY.



also, be careful with easily manipulated numbers

by the above statement, if fifty percent are done by blacks,, fifty percent are done by NON blacks too, so blacks would already be murdering at the same rate,,,,



TJN's photo
Sun 08/12/12 12:26 PM


I'm tired of listening to people's OPINIONS about this.
Do they mention anything about LEGAL gun ownership vs ILLEGAL gun ownership? NO they just lump it all together.
They try to sound all scientific, but left out that blacks make up 12 % of our population, and commit 50% of the nation’s murders. If blacks murdered at the same rate as whites, we would have one of the lowest murder rates in the world, and it would be 32% lower that what it currently is

I think it would be more accurate to say we have a black murder problem, and that the majority of those getting murdered are also black.

When you study it more in depth, you will find blacks raised by both parents, have the same murder rate as whites.
So if there is any correlation to a "disease" I'd say it's a lack of FAMILY VALUES and RESPONSIBILITY.


we can start another thread on family values and responsibility, and how they correlate with opportunity and social birth place

but for now,,, thats a distraction from the issue of people with guns going into places that would be assumed to be safe (like a movie or a workplace or a church) and shooting up dozens of people with minimum effort or chance for them to escape

and the majority of those crimes, would not change, regardless of black people who rarely commit them,,,,

What is the percentage of "those crimes" compared to the overall murder rate?
And being in a family or being raised by a single parent has everything to do with the OP.
It is being called a SOCIAL DISEASE.
And if you look at the numbers those raised by a single parent are far mor likely to commit these types of crimes.
So family values have everything to do with the OP.

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Sun 08/12/12 12:30 PM


I'm tired of listening to people's OPINIONS about this.
Do they mention anything about LEGAL gun ownership vs ILLEGAL gun ownership? NO they just lump it all together.
They try to sound all scientific, but left out that blacks make up 12 % of our population, and commit 50% of the nation’s murders. If blacks murdered at the same rate as whites, we would have one of the lowest murder rates in the world, and it would be 32% lower that what it currently is

I think it would be more accurate to say we have a black murder problem, and that the majority of those getting murdered are also black.

When you study it more in depth, you will find blacks raised by both parents, have the same murder rate as whites.
So if there is any correlation to a "disease" I'd say it's a lack of FAMILY VALUES and RESPONSIBILITY.



also, be careful with easily manipulated numbers

by the above statement, if fifty percent are done by blacks,, fifty percent are done by NON blacks too, so blacks would already be murdering at the same rate,,,,




No you aren't reading the numbers correctly.
50% are being committed by blacks that leaves 50% for all other races.
So by all accounts blacks are committing a higher % of murders than any other race.
And if you look into the numbers more blacks are raised by a single parent and don't have a "family" atmosphere.

krupa's photo
Sun 08/12/12 12:32 PM
Soooooo...some soft handed panzie don't like guns.....there is a suprize.

Heads up....lots of us got guns....we got good guns. Don't mean we go and kill people with them.

Guns are a "disease"?....so is "dumb@$$"

Quote another wussy who don't like guns...maybe it will help.

TJN's photo
Sun 08/12/12 02:13 PM

Soooooo...some soft handed panzie don't like guns.....there is a suprize.

Heads up....lots of us got guns....we got good guns. Don't mean we go and kill people with them.

Guns are a "disease"?....so is "dumb@$$"

Quote another wussy who don't like guns...maybe it will help.

drinker

msharmony's photo
Sun 08/12/12 02:28 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 08/12/12 02:29 PM



I'm tired of listening to people's OPINIONS about this.
Do they mention anything about LEGAL gun ownership vs ILLEGAL gun ownership? NO they just lump it all together.
They try to sound all scientific, but left out that blacks make up 12 % of our population, and commit 50% of the nation’s murders. If blacks murdered at the same rate as whites, we would have one of the lowest murder rates in the world, and it would be 32% lower that what it currently is

I think it would be more accurate to say we have a black murder problem, and that the majority of those getting murdered are also black.

When you study it more in depth, you will find blacks raised by both parents, have the same murder rate as whites.
So if there is any correlation to a "disease" I'd say it's a lack of FAMILY VALUES and RESPONSIBILITY.


we can start another thread on family values and responsibility, and how they correlate with opportunity and social birth place

but for now,,, thats a distraction from the issue of people with guns going into places that would be assumed to be safe (like a movie or a workplace or a church) and shooting up dozens of people with minimum effort or chance for them to escape

and the majority of those crimes, would not change, regardless of black people who rarely commit them,,,,

What is the percentage of "those crimes" compared to the overall murder rate?
And being in a family or being raised by a single parent has everything to do with the OP.
It is being called a SOCIAL DISEASE.
And if you look at the numbers those raised by a single parent are far mor likely to commit these types of crimes.
So family values have everything to do with the OP.



50 percent of those crimes are committed by blacks
50 percent are commmited by non blacks

that is the percentage of the OVERALL

if you look at numbers, you can find many correlations,, like men committing most of the crime, so perhaps our SOCIAL culture has to do with it too?

lots of assumptions can be made with rough numbers,, but that still has little to do with THIS topic regarding whether it is a disease or just the current social trend,,,

msharmony's photo
Sun 08/12/12 02:31 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 08/12/12 02:33 PM



I'm tired of listening to people's OPINIONS about this.
Do they mention anything about LEGAL gun ownership vs ILLEGAL gun ownership? NO they just lump it all together.
They try to sound all scientific, but left out that blacks make up 12 % of our population, and commit 50% of the nation’s murders. If blacks murdered at the same rate as whites, we would have one of the lowest murder rates in the world, and it would be 32% lower that what it currently is

I think it would be more accurate to say we have a black murder problem, and that the majority of those getting murdered are also black.

When you study it more in depth, you will find blacks raised by both parents, have the same murder rate as whites.
So if there is any correlation to a "disease" I'd say it's a lack of FAMILY VALUES and RESPONSIBILITY.



also, be careful with easily manipulated numbers

by the above statement, if fifty percent are done by blacks,, fifty percent are done by NON blacks too, so blacks would already be murdering at the same rate,,,,




No you aren't reading the numbers correctly.
50% are being committed by blacks that leaves 50% for all other races.
So by all accounts blacks are committing a higher % of murders than any other race.
And if you look into the numbers more blacks are raised by a single parent and don't have a "family" atmosphere.



RACE in america is not so diverse as it pertains to this discussion

crime trends are measured by maybe four races, blacks, native americans, whites and pacific islanders

hardly ANY of the crime is committed by natives or pacific islanders

the largest MAJORITY committing them is blacks and whites,, which is to be expected since blacks and whites have a greater ACCESSIBILITY to each other than the other 'races'

I would consider it a disease if it were more prevalant or if there was a majority of any particular group doing it,, but there isnt

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Sun 08/12/12 03:15 PM

maybe this is what is needed!
A bit crude,but right on Target!




How about prevention?



msharmony's photo
Sun 08/12/12 03:17 PM


maybe this is what is needed!
A bit crude,but right on Target!




How about prevention?





cool picture cerise

love the message

willing2's photo
Sun 08/12/12 03:48 PM


maybe this is what is needed!
A bit crude,but right on Target!




How about prevention?




A Dallas Police Chief was ordered, by the Mayor, to go into crime-ridden neighborhoods to clean them up and take guns out of feral hands.

He essentially told the Mayor, to hell with that.

BB must believe it's easier to take guns from citizens than from ferals like the panthers.

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