If you want a list of names of the Elite Bankers who have stolen Billions of dollars from the people that will take some time and quite frankly I don't have time to educate you on these FACTS.

Start with LIBOR.

Are you just not aware of this club of criminals who are apparently above the law?

There are but two opposing main "powers." That is the very few who manipulate the stock market and currency of the world and then there are the people who are paying for it..... us.

The reason the U.S. and Israel came into the discussion is because that is where the investigation lead.... to neocon Zionists who are funding and organizing the military coup in Syria. I gave you their names. Did you not google them or check it out?

It is not my perception that is distorted, it is yours.

As for the New York times, they are more ridiculous than FOX news for the truth and what they print is strictly propaganda.

Seriously, it makes me ill to read their stuff.

I can only ingest so many bald faced lies and fairy tales.

And of course that source is owned and controlled by the club of criminals that you think do not exist.

Whatever, these rants are boring. Please start another thread on the subject and let the rest of us discuss the events in Syria without constant interruptions about some imaginary bogeyman cabal.

It just goes to show how much attention you pay to these threads,


You said " and let the rest of us discuss the events in Syria without constant interruptions"

The Rest of Us?????????????????????????????????????

Check out the 10 pages of this thread and tell me who the rest of us are.

You keep trying to control these threads with threats of reporting.

These are public forums.

Now don't be silly and enjoy the craic.

Latest News


Damascus has been taken back and 20,000 Syrian troops are lining up to take back Aleppo.

Fight for Aleppo

The Syrian military has been steadily building up its forces around Aleppo, massing large numbers of tanks and other armoured vehicles as well as troops, in preparation for a much more intense attack, says the BBC's Richard Galpin on the Turkish border.

There is already fierce fighting in and around the city as troops try to push rebel forces out from southern and eastern districts.

The army is using tanks to try to break its way into the districts of Salah al-Din and Saif al-Dawla, which lie on the main road into the city, opposition sources say.

Militia group forms as cracks appear in Syrian rebel front

The Muslim Brotherhood has established its own militia inside Syria as the country's rebels fracture between radical Islamists and their rivals, commanders and gun-runners have revealed.

Calling itself the Armed Men of the Muslim Brotherhood, the militia has a presence in Damascus as well as opposition hotspots such as Homs and Idlib.

One of the militia's organisers, who called himself Abu Hamza, said that he started the movement along with a member of the Syrian National Council (SNC), the opposition alliance.

"We saw there were civilians with weapons inside, so we decided to co-operate with them and put them under one umbrella," he said.


http://www.independent.ie/world-news/middle-east/militia-group-forms-as-cracks-appear-in-syrian-rebel-front-3189588.html

The problem with that non-solution is that what is happening in Syria has everything to do with the world bankers, state sponsored terrorism, and globalization.

How more accurate and simple can it be? I named the names of the people behind it and the reasons and you are lost in details that mean nothing. That is boring.

People all too commonly let themselves get distracted with unimportant details about who did what to who and what people think about it.

What is "boring" is cutting and pasting comentary and "news" articles about the subject of Syria from different sources, with no comments, idea, conversation or thoughts of your own on the matter.

You just paste stuff in here and you don't say what you think about it, so one has to assume that you believe all of what you have read and pasted in here, and some of it is conflicting information.

Therefore you are not 'discussing' anything at all. Save for demeaning remarks about my "conjectures" you have nothing to say.

That's boring.

Read it again.

Good, at least I'm not making crap up. If you find it boring, please go elsewhere.

If someone invents fantasies it's not demeaning to label it conjecture-just an observation.

This demeaning of members seems to be a common trait among a few regulars on here.

It beats me why people do not use their own words to express their opinions.


One liners seems to be the order of the day.

How more accurate and simple can it be?


That is it in a Nutshell

It would be nice to have another opinion but I agree with you.

Turkey: 115 Kurdish rebels killed in offensive...
Turkey's security forces have killed as many as 115 Kurdish rebels during a majorsecurity offensive over the past two weeks, the country's interior minister said Sunday.
Idris Naim Sahin said the rebels were killedin an airpower backed offensive near the town of Semdinli, in Hakkari province which sits on the border with Iraq. He said the offensive began on July 23.
Sahin provided few other details on the ongoing operation but said the security forces were trying to block the rebels' escape routes into northern Iraq.
Private NTV television said earlierthat as many as 2,000troops were taking part in the offensive and that public access to some roads in the area were blocked.
Earlier Sunday, Kurdish rebels raidedthree military posts in simultaneous attacks in Hakkari, sparking a clash at one paramilitary outpost that left six soldiers and 14 rebelsdead. Two government-paid village guards assisting the Turkish military were also killed.
The rebels fired on military posts in Hakkari province thatborders Iraq, including the paramilitary station near the village of Gecimli, some 20 kilometers (12 miles) from the frontier, according to a statement from the Hakkari governor's office.
Gov. Orhan Alimoglu said the attack near Gecimli triggered clashes that claimed the lives of 22 rebels, soldiers and village guards. At least 15 soldiers, another village guard and fivecivilians were also injured in the attack. There were no reports of any casualties in the attacks on the other posts.
The attack comes some six weeks after a similar raid on a military unit, also in Hakkari province, killed 18 rebels and eight soldiers, prompting Turkey's military to send warplanes and attackhelicopters to hit Kurdish rebel targets inside Iraq.
The rebels of the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, are fighting for autonomy in Turkey'sKurdish-dominated southeast region andmaintain bases in northern Iraq from where they launch hit-and-run attacks on Turkish targets. The conflict between the PKK and Turkish government forces has killed tens of thousands of people since the rebels took up arms in 1984.
The group is considered a terroristorganization by the United States and theEuropean Union. Turkey has raised concerns that Kurdishrebels could now alsoexploit a power vacuum in neighboring Syria and warned it would"not tolerate" any rebel threats from the Syrian territory. The Turkish government said last month that Turkish Kurdish rebels have seized control of five towns along the border in collaboration with Syria's Democratic Union Party, or PYD — an ethnic Kurdish grouping. It has launched military drills near the frontier in a show of muscle aimed at the rebels.
The military on Sunday sent reinforcements to Hakkari, launching ground and air operations to chase the rebels, the governor's office said, without elaborating. State-run TRT television said attack helicopters were firing on the rebels' escape routes in the rugged, mountainousborder region.
Turkey's leaders condemned the attack, which came during the holy Muslim month of Ramadan, and said the government was determined to keep up the fight against the PKK.
Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said the attack was a"dastardly assault" and issued a warningto countries allegedlybacking the PKK, saying Turkey was"powerful enough to bring into line enemy-country (puppet masters) who hold the strings of the terror organization." He didnot name any countries and it was not clear if the statement was aimedat Syria, in relation tothe PKK presence there.
Erdogan has recently ruled out negotiatingwith the PKK to end the decades-old conflict and said state security forces would continue their struggle against the group until it lays down arms. The government has acknowledged that some officials have inthe past held secret talks with the rebels that were subsequently abandoned.
"Terrorism is, sooner or later, doomed to lose and to go up in smoke in the face of the people's resolve and determination," Erdogan said Sunday.
An estimated 20 percent of Turkey's 75 million people are Kurds. The government is trying to reconcile with the Kurdish minority by granting it more cultural rights.
Erdogan's government recently announced plans to introduce elective Kurdish classes in schools, building on moves that allowed Kurdish language television broadcasts,Kurdish-language institutes and privateKurdish courses.
The government however, refuses demands by Kurdish activists and politicians for full education in the Kurdish language, fearing it would divide Turkey along ethnic lines.

To observe an opinion as conjecture is not' demeaning'.



I don't make stuff up. If you have a problem with that, please tell someone who might care.




Actually, I think unsubstantiated theories and prejudice seem to be the order of the day.

This introduces an element which has the potential for the region to erupt into factional violence.

Just give us your own opinion in your own words.

It is not a matter of life or death

Well, that is difficult because at the moment, new factors are being introduced on a daily basis (remembering that the thread is about the future, therefore nebulous in concept from the outset). I believe the MB will gain hegemony one way or another, but I don't believe they are, in any way, in bed with Israel. I find that assumption absurd in light of their history, despite the prosopographic links one may find.

Furthermore, I don't believe the civil war is being orchestrated, or manipulated by the CIA. Although the west would like to see a stable regime in place, I also see the west trying to distance itself owing to the accusations of western imperialism that have moulded recent public opinion. However, the west, especially the US does not want extremist groups allied to Al-Qaeda to emerge the victors. In addition, the west does not want to see a regime that will aid Hamas and Hezbollah in their campaign against Israel.

I also think it is folly to ignore the other players in this game (Russia, Iran, Turkey & China) and focus on the west, for the these are the real powers with true interests in the outcome of the conflict. The UN Security Council is being thwarted daily owing to these interests, which, I might add, has very little to do with bankers. Has anyone noticed that in all of the shots of this conflict, the weapons are Russian or Chinese?

With the Kurds now grasping the opportunity of vying for a state amid the confusion, the future for the region is anybody's guess.

So, I think this thread is littered with accusations and inferences that have little relevance to the real situation. These distractions have served to prevent the formulation of a more realistic picture.

I read back and counted the posts.

Of the 197 posts you Jeannie and I account for 179,

Hotrod 74

Jeannie 67

Opto 38

Conrad 11

Smart 06

Leigh 01

Your statement of get out of this thread or words to that effect and let the rest of us discuss means nothing because there is no REST OF US.

Take Jeannie out of this thread and you are on your own.

You say that like it's a bad thing. Four pages of realistic discussion as opposed to 10 pages littered with cabal theories. Hmmm...