Great post, Anoasis.

If I may add a bit to it, to me, liberalism also means freedom of expression, freedom of individuality. You're not only allowed, but encouraged to be yourself, and not shoehorn yourself into a "company mentality" where everyone is basically mindless drones, never wavering from the direct order from those in authority. Freedom of creativity. And some idiots compare liberalism to communism??????? In the comparison of liberalism vs conservatism, conservatism is FAR closer to communism than liberalism ever thought about being.

communism equals liberalism. eventually youll see it for what it is. sorryaboutit. please dont shoot the messanger here, im just stating the obvious.

OK, rambill79, I explained why comservatism is closer to communism. Explain why you think liberalism is.

.. thier doctrine is an exact match with marksist communism.

Explain, please.

look up the ten planks of the communist manifesto.

In other words, you're gonna make a statement, and then ask us to read something. What I'm asking you, rambill, is why YOU think liberalisn is like communism. I want to know what YOU think. You know what they say about books. Everyone gets their own interpretation of what they read. That's fine. I'm interested in what you personally think about this subject, and why you feel this way. In other words, tell me how you've arrived at your conclusion.

TEN PLANKS OF COMMUNISM

1 Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2 A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3 Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4 Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5 Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6 Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.
7 Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8 Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9 Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
10 Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

Ummm but their is no "liberal manifesto" ... so match up what to what?

But Knox makes an excellent point- both communism and conservativism seek to restrict individul freedom in the name of the "greater good" of society- they seek to "protect" individuals by making decisions for them.

And I do support your right to say any of those things that you mentioned previously. Including "arnt on the dolls". Athough I have absolutely no idea what that is supposed to mean, I still support your right to say it.

Obviously, I won't be listening for long as it is incomprehensible...

i dont think liberals are communists, i know it to be true. read your history i dont have time right now to walk you thru it. mabe later on this month.
lets see. ten pplanks..

heavy and progressive taxes..
.. get them interested in sports as it WEAKENS them...
thats all i can remember right now.

FYI: The 10 PLANKS stated in the Communist Manifesto:

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.

they have a bunch of links that try to compare the ten planks with laws and amendments that seem to be similar on the surface but if you look deeper they are not the same in my opinion.

i would like to know your beliefs about each individual one rambill because i don't want to assume that you are in tune with the websites.

an example of the thinking on these sites relates plank one to the zoning laws in the united states. on the surface you might be able to make a correlation but upon further reading you realize that zoning is only meant to keep compatible properties together. not to eliminate property.

Thanks Knox.

Sorry King I didn't realize you already posted the 10 planks. We may have all been posting at the same time...

I have seen the comparisons as well- frequently libertarian in origin. I found most to be stretching quite a bit...

Ram: that's what I like about conservatives- they "know" everything. For me I continue to consider new information as it becomes available to me.

you have to go back to about 1890 when carl marx wrote the 10 planks. theres so much revisionist histiory out there now on the net that you have to go back... way back. there was life, and information... before the internet.

rambill, your missing the point BADLY! Actually, you're proving mine perfectly.

Liberals make their own minds up and form their own opinions.

Conservatives figure if someone wrote it, it MUST be right, no question!

Liberals will not only tell you what they're thinking, but tell you why they think that way.

Conservatives spout the "party line", fearing every second that they get one word wrong and have the dreaded "Authority" come down hard on them.

I STILL say conservatism is a lot closer to communism than liberalism ever dreamed of being.

Thanks to conservatives like rambill for proving my point. Appreciate it, buddy!

can you clarify that for me rambill? why do i have to go back to 1890 to see the similarities to communism?

i agree with that knox. communism seems a lot closer since bush enacted all of his "counter terrorism" laws.

because thats when the 10 planks were written.
communism didnt die it moved here.
in the 1950s, when kruschev gave his shoe on the confrence table speech about destroying us without firing a shot, from within, he also said that we will be destroyed by communists from within.. but we wont call them commies well call them liberals.

that's where i lose you rambill but we do have different opinions on how the liberal ideas effect our country.

i know we have different ideas on taxes being used for social programs so can you pick one of the other nine planks and tell me your views on how it effects our society today(here in america).