no, the message becomes consistency and trust and consequence

at least thats the message I got, because we had a balance of support and discipline

we had the consistency of the same rules for every child

we had the TRUST of knowing our parents could be counted on to do what they said they would do



we had the opportunity to express how we felt and to be instructed of the rules/choices we had, and that every choice had a consequence,, positive or negative

in short, the message was learning about REAL LIFE , and the real dynamic between choice and consequence

didn't you also mention that spanking can also include using a non-lethal weapon or placing a child over ones knee and striking them ...any are capable of rupturing internal organs and causing the child to bleed to death internally ..



so since you do not have any sure fire way of ranking pain therefore a spanking could be administering to the child the same level of pain as a beating

this is why a spanking is the same as a beating...you're beating the child with a hand

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_we_trust


There might be a slight difference between Ceremonial Religion and a Theocracy!
Not that they haven't been trying,though!

America has never been a Xian Theocracy. All the in G-d we Trust and adding G-d to the pledge of allegiance was done mainly as a response to the "g-dless communists" No one really thought that way, none of the founding fathers could really be called Xian, they were deists. People get the false impression of American history.

And another thing, I am still waiting for one of you to admit that you want a little spank play. There is nothing wrong with it, between two consenting adults.

and squeezing COULD be suffocating

that doesnt mean squeezint is the SAME as suffocating,,,

I agree. We endure all types of 'pain' in sport,,,couples can likewise decide what level of 'pain' they wish to endure,,,

Well, an honest woman! Exceptional

first spanking I ever got was for lying,,,lol

to this day, its very hard for me to be intentionally misleading,,,

You, of course, know what this means if I catch you lying to me!

I use those old composition books for note writing at work and once I dated a woman who I always caught lying. She would always say she was sorry- I really didn't care, people often lie about stupid stuff- so I would pull out one of the composition books and say that I was just keeping a record of it- time, date, what the lie was. Every few weeks, I pull out a new one (3 for a dollar at the dollar store) and tell her I filled the last up and had to start a new one. After a few months, she tried to break into my car to read them, boy was she mad when I showed her that they were all blank.

lol >.<

people have a false impression of the founding fathers as if they were not influenced by their religious upbringings...how many of the founding fathers was raised by Muslim or Jewish parents and how many were raised by Christian parents ....

what is my point?

THE QUESTION
what is the motto of both God and the tobacco companies?

THE ANSWER
get them while they are young and you have them for life


all of the Founding Fathers were rooted in Christianity

MsHarmony....if ones intent is to suffocate...then squeezing becomes a method of suffocation

since the intent of spanking a child is to inflict pain upon the child by beating a child with a hand or a non-lethal object ...then in reality you are beating the child

people perfer to use the term spanking

a rose by any other name is still the same

perhaps that's why some parents tell their children to pick out the object they will be beaten with ...it's like the child is giving consent

here mommy dearest...this is the belt I've picked for you to beat me with

oh thank you my child...I like how easy it is to grip and swing this belt..I will take great pleasure in spanking you with it

Jeez Msharmony...the way you be tap dancing around the issues in the forum...that first spanking clearly didn't have any impact(no pun intended)

Of course they were rooted in Xianity. However, they were not stupid. Have you not read Thomas Paine's Rights of Man and Common Sense were he critically takes apart the Bible? Or Jefferson's Bible, where he cuts out the parts that he considered just silly. Outside of theology, you must remember the cultural impact of free-thought, a good example is the Swerve, where they demonstrate the influence of Lucretus' The Nature of Things on the people who then started the (gosh how do you spell then Renaissance?) These things only happen when free thinking is allowed. America could not have done what it did if it was a Theocracy.
You must also remember the history of certain teachings, for example, Pre-Tribulation Rapture began in the 1800's when a little girl told Rev. Darby about a dream and Darby told Schofield (sp?) who put it as a footnote to his bible. Most people did not take the bible literally prior to the late 1700's. Most Xians were Arians until 400 AD. Another example is the movie The Passion of the Christ, based on the dreams of a nun (think her name was Hildegard) and not taken from the bible.
If you visit Dobson's Focus on the Family Center, you will see armed guards and bullet holes, because his type of crazy actually makes people crazy. But hey- people have the right to believe what they want to believe.

think about it...Thomas Paine was a deist and had a belief in invisible unprovable entites but yet crictically takes apart the bible....seems like he's preaching against himself

only thing that change in America when it comes to being a Christian Theocracy...is that it's now against the law to murder people because they dare to worship a non-Christian God

the intent is not 'pain' , the intent is deterrence and discipline


a rose is not a hibiscus just because they are both red,,,

that parent has issues,,

I would bet my parents never thought this and I never have either

its nothing like a 'pleasure' to spank, anymore than its a 'pleasure' most days after a job to cook a meal or clean dishes,,,but its as necessary to discipline as it is to cook and clean

no tap dancing, and the 'issues' are subjective to the person who has them and obsesses over them,,,