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Topic: Creflo Dollar?
funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 07/03/12 01:25 PM
Who's talking about beating anyone? And no she still doesn't have the right to punish anyone for anything. Her spouse is not her child, she is not responsible for her husband. She's responsible sometimes for the results of something her husband may have done, but she is not responsible for her husband in specifics. didn't Creflo beat his daughter.....isn't beating what this thread is about.....haven't the majority of the post been about beating...dude try and stay focus Then why are you talking about her beating her husband? Please do stay on topic. come on Cowboy....no sour grapes ...beating her husband being the same as beating the child is the topic at this point in time ...in fact you were participating in it...you have a habit of drifting off

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 07/03/12 01:26 PM
She already answered that. Cowboy...MsHarmony claimed that she was responsible for her spouse financially since she is responsible then she should give him a beatdown when he max out the credit cards...wouldn't she do the same to her child I am sometimes responsible because the law sees our finances as joint, there is no way to make HIM pay without us both , by extension, paying,,,, but Im sure you realize that,,,

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 07/03/12 01:26 PM
No, it again it is not the spouses responsibility or obligation to teach the other spouse anything. It is not their job, they are a full grown adult accountable for their own actions. once married they become one ..making one responsible for the other.. No, they are still responsible for their own actions and are not guilty for another's actions. try and use that defense with the credit card company .... I don't give a flying monkey butt what credit card companies think lol. Please stay on topic and quit comparing apples and oranges. Credit card companies have absolutely nothing to do with "religious" things. Therefore is irrelevant. so beating children and spouses are a a religious thing ....I guess you can have a Holy War right in the house

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 07/03/12 01:27 PM
No, it again it is not the spouses responsibility or obligation to teach the other spouse anything. It is not their job, they are a full grown adult accountable for their own actions. once married they become one ..making one responsible for the other.. No, they are still responsible for their own actions and are not guilty for another's actions. try and use that defense with the credit card company .... I don't give a flying monkey butt what credit card companies think lol. Please stay on topic and quit comparing apples and oranges. Credit card companies have absolutely nothing to do with "religious" things. Therefore is irrelevant. so beating children and spouses are a a religious thing ....I guess you can have a Holy War right in the house or you can have an out of context party on a website,,,

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 07/03/12 01:29 PM
No, it again it is not the spouses responsibility or obligation to teach the other spouse anything. It is not their job, they are a full grown adult accountable for their own actions. once married they become one ..making one responsible for the other.. No, they are still responsible for their own actions and are not guilty for another's actions. try and use that defense with the credit card company .... I don't give a flying monkey butt what credit card companies think lol. Please stay on topic and quit comparing apples and oranges. Credit card companies have absolutely nothing to do with "religious" things. Therefore is irrelevant. so beating children and spouses are a a religious thing ....I guess you can have a Holy War right in the house Nobodies "beating" anybody lol. God doesn't even support "beating" your child. A punishment and a "beating" are two completely different things. But that's alright, we all know you don't know what the word context means.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 07/03/12 01:29 PM
perhaps she did , perhaps something else was effective for Jesus, perhaps Jesus didnt need it raising children is not the one size fits all process so many (usually childless) people think it is,,,, that's the same as saying that those that have never been married don't understand why a husband should beat his wife or vise versa why would spanking children be any different than spousal abuse because a hug is different than a squeeze because grounding is different than kidnapping because CONTEXT has alot to do with the relevance of our actions and inactions,,, so MsHarmony...do you believe that it's ok to inflict pain on your spouse to teach them nope, I dont 'teach' my spouse, I am also not legally responsible for them or their actions except sometimes financially,,, so MsHarmony... would give your spouse a beatdown if they max out the credit cards no, but I also do not give my children a 'beatdown' would you sit your spouse in a corner or take way their things,,,? I dont think you would have the authority to do so being they are at that point ADULTS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEMSELF... so MsHarmony.. you would let your spouse keep the credit cards and drain the joint bank account

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 07/03/12 01:31 PM
Nobodies "beating" anybody lol. God doesn't even support "beating" your child. A punishment and a "beating" are two completely different things. But that's alright, we all know you don't know what the word context means. right..God don't support beating your child but does support if you stone them to death

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 07/03/12 01:33 PM
Nobodies "beating" anybody lol. God doesn't even support "beating" your child. A punishment and a "beating" are two completely different things. But that's alright, we all know you don't know what the word context means. right..God don't support beating your child but does support if you stone them to death Give one verse that says to stone the CHILDREN to death.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 07/03/12 01:35 PM
perhaps she did , perhaps something else was effective for Jesus, perhaps Jesus didnt need it raising children is not the one size fits all process so many (usually childless) people think it is,,,, that's the same as saying that those that have never been married don't understand why a husband should beat his wife or vise versa why would spanking children be any different than spousal abuse because a hug is different than a squeeze because grounding is different than kidnapping because CONTEXT has alot to do with the relevance of our actions and inactions,,, so MsHarmony...do you believe that it's ok to inflict pain on your spouse to teach them nope, I dont 'teach' my spouse, I am also not legally responsible for them or their actions except sometimes financially,,, so MsHarmony... would give your spouse a beatdown if they max out the credit cards no, but I also do not give my children a 'beatdown' would you sit your spouse in a corner or take way their things,,,? I dont think you would have the authority to do so being they are at that point ADULTS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEMSELF... so MsHarmony.. you would let your spouse keep the credit cards and drain the joint bank account I dont 'let' another adult, I have no authority over another adult I could take out the money I chose and open my OWN account in only my name,,,,but I cant KEEP His cards from him legally, nor would I try,,, adults have the rights to do what they wish, as they suffer their own consequences,,,,

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Wed 07/04/12 04:41 AM
Nobodies "beating" anybody lol. God doesn't even support "beating" your child. A punishment and a "beating" are two completely different things. But that's alright, we all know you don't know what the word context means. right..God don't support beating your child but does support if you stone them to death Give one verse that says to stone the CHILDREN to death. those that actually read the bible know that stoning unruly children to death were the laws God handed down to Moses....even Jesus didn't come to change those laws but to full-filled them which is why he invited others to cast the first stone God approves of the beating and murder of tainted children

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Wed 07/04/12 04:53 AM
I dont 'let' another adult, I have no authority over another adult I could take out the money I chose and open my OWN account in only my name,,,,but I cant KEEP His cards from him legally, nor would I try,,, adults have the rights to do what they wish, as they suffer their own consequences,,,, MsHarmony...once you get married you have some responsiblity for your spouse the same as you have responsibility for a child especially since both are considered to be immediate family member ... this is why if you beat your child to teach them right from wrong then according to the "Golden Rule" you should in turn be beaten by your spouse to teach you right from wrong

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 07/04/12 05:45 AM
I dont 'let' another adult, I have no authority over another adult I could take out the money I chose and open my OWN account in only my name,,,,but I cant KEEP His cards from him legally, nor would I try,,, adults have the rights to do what they wish, as they suffer their own consequences,,,, MsHarmony...once you get married you have some responsiblity for your spouse the same as you have responsibility for a child especially since both are considered to be immediate family member ... this is why if you beat your child to teach them right from wrong then according to the "Golden Rule" you should in turn be beaten by your spouse to teach you right from wrong the same logic would dictate I have sex with my child to show them love,,, the child/parent relationship is not the same as the spousal relationship,,,however you try to spin it

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 07/04/12 06:08 AM
Nobodies "beating" anybody lol. God doesn't even support "beating" your child. A punishment and a "beating" are two completely different things. But that's alright, we all know you don't know what the word context means. right..God don't support beating your child but does support if you stone them to death Give one verse that says to stone the CHILDREN to death. those that actually read the bible know that stoning unruly children to death were the laws God handed down to Moses....even Jesus didn't come to change those laws but to full-filled them which is why he invited others to cast the first stone God approves of the beating and murder of tainted children Apples and oranges once again. "Beating" your children and "punishing" your children are two completely different things. It's illegal to "beat" your child, but no where is that restricting someone from "punishing" their children. And no it would not be murder. Murder is unlawful taking of another's life. God is the one that has made and given us the law(s). So therefore if it is in accordance with his law, it is not unlawful, therefore is not murder. But nice try.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 07/04/12 06:11 AM
Nobodies "beating" anybody lol. God doesn't even support "beating" your child. A punishment and a "beating" are two completely different things. But that's alright, we all know you don't know what the word context means. right..God don't support beating your child but does support if you stone them to death Give one verse that says to stone the CHILDREN to death. those that actually read the bible know that stoning unruly children to death were the laws God handed down to Moses....even Jesus didn't come to change those laws but to full-filled them which is why he invited others to cast the first stone God approves of the beating and murder of tainted children Apples and oranges once again. "Beating" your children and "punishing" your children are two completely different things. It's illegal to "beat" your child, but no where is that restricting someone from "punishing" their children. And no it would not be murder. Murder is unlawful taking of another's life. God is the one that has made and given us the law(s). So therefore if it is in accordance with his law, it is not unlawful, therefore is not murder. But nice try. And again that is for punishment. It is not saying to just outright stone the child for no reason. Consequences funches, consequences.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 07/04/12 06:13 AM
Nobodies "beating" anybody lol. God doesn't even support "beating" your child. A punishment and a "beating" are two completely different things. But that's alright, we all know you don't know what the word context means. right..God don't support beating your child but does support if you stone them to death Give one verse that says to stone the CHILDREN to death. those that actually read the bible know that stoning unruly children to death were the laws God handed down to Moses....even Jesus didn't come to change those laws but to full-filled them which is why he invited others to cast the first stone God approves of the beating and murder of tainted children Apples and oranges once again. "Beating" your children and "punishing" your children are two completely different things. It's illegal to "beat" your child, but no where is that restricting someone from "punishing" their children. And no it would not be murder. Murder is unlawful taking of another's life. God is the one that has made and given us the law(s). So therefore if it is in accordance with his law, it is not unlawful, therefore is not murder. But nice try. And again that is for punishment. It is not saying to just outright stone the child for no reason. Consequences funches, consequences. And besides that, that's for unruly children. If a child is unruly, no form of punishment will work. They will just continue to do whatever it is they are doing and be unruly.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Wed 07/04/12 06:31 AM
the same logic would dictate I have sex with my child to show them love,,, MsHarmony...were you abuse sexually as a child?...if so...then it's a chance you would do the same to your children ...the same as if you were beaten as a child, the odds are that you will beat your children the child/parent relationship is not the same as the spousal relationship,,,however you try to spin it an adult may have the skill to talk themselves out of getting a beatdown....but a child may lack such skills.....all you are doing is teaching them how to solve conflicts through violence and pain and afterwards toss them into society to do the same to others

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Wed 07/04/12 06:32 AM
Apples and oranges once again. "Beating" your children and "punishing" your children are two completely different things. It's illegal to "beat" your child, but no where is that restricting someone from "punishing" their children. Cowboy...please explain how you can spank a child without beating them

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 07/04/12 06:33 AM Edited by msharmony on Wed 07/04/12 06:34 AM
the same logic would dictate I have sex with my child to show them love,,, MsHarmony...were you abuse sexually as a child?...if so...then it's a chance you would do the same to your children ...the same as if you were beaten as a child, the odds are that you will beat your children the child/parent relationship is not the same as the spousal relationship,,,however you try to spin it an adult may have the skill to talk themselves out of getting a beatdown....but a child may lack such skills.....all you are doing is teaching them how to solve conflicts through violence and pain and afterwards toss them into society to do the same to others but funches, this is where semantics turns on you why is it 'abuse',,,? is it 'abuse' when I do it with my spouse? do you mean the same ACTIVITY in a different context , has a different RELEVANCE? lol I am one of the least violent people you will ever meet,, I was taught CONSEQUENCES and DISCIPLINE, not violence are people who ground children, teaching them to deal with issues through 'involuntary confinement'? lol are people who take away toys teaching children to deal with issues by stealing? lol but you may carry on trying to lump them all together...

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Wed 07/04/12 06:36 AM
And again that is for punishment. It is not saying to just outright stone the child for no reason. Consequences funches, consequences. so Cowboy..what is on your top ten "stone unruly children" to death list? 1.farting in public will get a child stone 2.flipping the bird will get a child stone 3.claiming that you are the Messiah will get a child stone ....oops I meant crucified

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Wed 07/04/12 06:40 AM
but funches, this is where semantics turns on you why is it 'abuse',,,? is it 'abuse' when I do it with my spouse? MsHarmony...if you were taught by pain...there could be sex in your violence ..