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Hosea 6:2 2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight ---------------------------------------------------------- uh Hosea was a prophet and he was referring to a group of people notice the word "us" He did raise "us" up. Without Jesus we can not acheive the glorious gift of Heaven. If Jesus hadn't of "rose", neither would we, thus after the third day when Jesus defeated death giving us a way to "rise" up, we did. The verse does not say "us hebrews" or "us greeks" or any specific "us". So with that, we can see he was referring to the general population. |
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Hosea 6:2 2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight ---------------------------------------------------------- uh Hosea was a prophet and he was referring to a group of people notice the word "us" He did raise "us" up. Without Jesus we can not acheive the glorious gift of Heaven. If Jesus hadn't of "rose", neither would we, thus after the third day when Jesus defeated death giving us a way to "rise" up, we did. The verse does not say "us hebrews" or "us greeks" or any specific "us". So with that, we can see he was referring to the general population. "Sin" in itself, is turning away from God. Not in a sence of totally denying the Lord, but disobeying, refusing to listen, kind of turning away. Thus the verse says "reive us", cause we were dead in our sin. And says "shall rise us up and shall live in his sight", for again sinning is turning away from God. |
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It does lay in the mind of the beholder. Thus we will be judged on our faith and actions, and we have if Faith lies solely in the mind of the beholder...then it has no substance beyond that of a wishful thought |
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It does lay in the mind of the beholder. Thus we will be judged on our faith and actions, and we have if Faith lies solely in the mind of the beholder...then it has no substance beyond that of a wishful thought Faith is - Hope, Desire, Want. Thus why we will be judged on our faith. Your actions are fueled by your faith. If you have faith in your relationship, you will continue to fight for it and make it better. If you have no faith in your relationship, you'll just let it slip away. ect ect. It's not "wishful thinking" persay. It has more substance then just that. |
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Absolutely false. There is no such thing as loving someone more then another or loving someone less then another. Cowboy 1...there is no sure thing as loving someone more than another Cowboy 2....Jesus demand that we love him above all others ok...now which one of those other 2 Cowboys will "Cowboy 3" agree or disagrre with Oh but you are confused. We OBEY Jesus above all others. We place Jesus first. Jesus tells us love others as he loved us. Jesus NEVER says to "love" him more. Just he is first priority, he comes before anyone else. Cowboy 3....Jesus said love him "above" if you want to be a disciple now pick what you think Jesus meant by "above" 1...love him the same 2...love him less 3 ..love him more |
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Absolutely false. There is no such thing as loving someone more then another or loving someone less then another. Cowboy 1...there is no sure thing as loving someone more than another Cowboy 2....Jesus demand that we love him above all others ok...now which one of those other 2 Cowboys will "Cowboy 3" agree or disagrre with Oh but you are confused. We OBEY Jesus above all others. We place Jesus first. Jesus tells us love others as he loved us. Jesus NEVER says to "love" him more. Just he is first priority, he comes before anyone else. Cowboy 3....Jesus said love him "above" if you want to be a disciple now pick what you think Jesus meant by "above" 1...love him the same 2...love him less 3 ..love him more Please do enlighten us with the verse that says to love him "more" then anyone else. Yes, God is priority. Love for him comes "first". We obey and seek to please him before ourselves or another being, then we are putting him above all else, putting him at more of a priority then the rest. |
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He didn't come to change the laws, this much is true. But he came to fulfill the laws and prophecies. Fulfill means to complete, Cowboy...you can not come to complete a law...you either 1..follow a law 2..break a law 3..change a law Jesus said that he did not come to change the laws of Moses...also as you constantly points out...the bible states nothing about Christianity....only Judaism since Jesus was a Jew...why are his followers so bent on denying that they follow his religion |
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He didn't come to change the laws, this much is true. But he came to fulfill the laws and prophecies. Fulfill means to complete, Cowboy...you can not come to complete a law...you either 1..follow a law 2..break a law 3..change a law Jesus said that he did not come to change the laws of Moses...also as you constantly points out...the bible states nothing about Christianity....only Judaism since Jesus was a Jew...why are his followers so bent on denying that they follow his religion Jesus didn't teach "Judaism". Please for all that's good in the world, show us all where Jesus refers to his teachings as "Judaism". We follow no religion, we follow God's honest truth. |
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Jesus doesn't need any proof that he is the messiah. unfortunately the people did It is not his job to convince anyone that he is. so he was speaking to the masses because he was trying to convince them that he wasn't the Messiah? |
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He didn't come to change the laws, this much is true. But he came to fulfill the laws and prophecies. Fulfill means to complete, Cowboy...you can not come to complete a law...you either 1..follow a law 2..break a law 3..change a law Jesus said that he did not come to change the laws of Moses...also as you constantly points out...the bible states nothing about Christianity....only Judaism since Jesus was a Jew...why are his followers so bent on denying that they follow his religion Jesus didn't teach "Judaism". Please for all that's good in the world, show us all where Jesus refers to his teachings as "Judaism". We follow no religion, we follow God's honest truth. And you complete a law when it only has power for a certain amount of time. Weather it be for a time span eg., a year, a day, ect. Or till something happens in specifics. Thus we have - Matthew 24 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. We had the generation of Adam and Eve. This would include all the people that walked the Earth at that time and after until the next generation came. We are now in the generation of Jesus Christ. Generation - a group of individuals born and living contemporaneously Contemporaneously - existing, occurring, or originating during the same time. This would lay up to God what he is considering the "same time". Weather that time span is 5 years, 10 year,s 1000 years, ect. |
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Jesus doesn't need any proof that he is the messiah. unfortunately the people did It is not his job to convince anyone that he is. so he was speaking to the masses because he was trying to convince them that he wasn't the Messiah? He wasn't trying to convince anyone he was the messiah. He said he was, that's it. He gave us the new covenant and did his own business. He didn't sit down with anyone and explain/show and try to prove he was the messiah. That would lay in one's persons choice of faith, if they choose to believe he is the promissed messiah or not. Thus is why we will be judged on faith as well as our actions. |
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Jesus never sat on the throne of David and ruled in his lifetime so why would they believe him to be the messiah. Also where does it state in the Old Testament that a messiah gets a second chance on earth to fullfil the prophecies he should have done the first time. Also where does it state in the old testament that the messiah shall rise from the dead on the 3rd day? Let me guess "it's a christian thang" Jesus never sat on the throne of David and ruled in his lifetime so why would they believe him to be the messiah. There is only one way for a "life time" to end. And that is to die and not have eternal life through Jesus Christ. Jesus is not "dead", he resurrected on the third day. His "lifetime" is not over, he still has abundant life. Also where does it state in the Old Testament that a messiah gets a second chance on earth to fullfil the prophecies he should have done the first time. May I ask what exactly you're speaking of? All the old testament prophecies have been fulfilled. The new testament prophecies are in the process of being fulfilled. Exactly what prophecies are you speaking of that he didn't fulfill that should have been? Also where does it state in the old testament that the messiah shall rise from the dead on the 3rd day? There is none specifically from the old testament, that I know of. But there were prophecies made of this happening, for example - John 2:19-21 19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body. Matthew 16:28 Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom. Matthew 24:34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. Luke 21:32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place well i haven't seen any 2,000 year old jews yet Matthew 16:28 Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom. Death occurs at judgement. When one is judged and either receive the gift of eternal life or death. Matthew 24:34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. We are still in that generation. We are in the generation of this world. When speaking on a level of eternity and what not, a generation isn't just parent to child. That is only a generation to us, for that is all we have while walking this Earth right now. Luke 21:32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place Same as with the Matthew verse. This is still the same generation. |
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Jesus never sat on the throne of David and ruled in his lifetime so why would they believe him to be the messiah. Also where does it state in the Old Testament that a messiah gets a second chance on earth to fullfil the prophecies he should have done the first time. Also where does it state in the old testament that the messiah shall rise from the dead on the 3rd day? Let me guess "it's a christian thang" Jesus never sat on the throne of David and ruled in his lifetime so why would they believe him to be the messiah. There is only one way for a "life time" to end. And that is to die and not have eternal life through Jesus Christ. Jesus is not "dead", he resurrected on the third day. His "lifetime" is not over, he still has abundant life. Also where does it state in the Old Testament that a messiah gets a second chance on earth to fullfil the prophecies he should have done the first time. May I ask what exactly you're speaking of? All the old testament prophecies have been fulfilled. The new testament prophecies are in the process of being fulfilled. Exactly what prophecies are you speaking of that he didn't fulfill that should have been? Also where does it state in the old testament that the messiah shall rise from the dead on the 3rd day? There is none specifically from the old testament, that I know of. But there were prophecies made of this happening, for example - John 2:19-21 19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body. Matthew 16:28 Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom. Matthew 24:34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. Luke 21:32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place well i haven't seen any 2,000 year old jews yet Matthew 16:28 Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom. Death occurs at judgement. When one is judged and either receive the gift of eternal life or death. Matthew 24:34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. We are still in that generation. We are in the generation of this world. When speaking on a level of eternity and what not, a generation isn't just parent to child. That is only a generation to us, for that is all we have while walking this Earth right now. Luke 21:32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place Same as with the Matthew verse. This is still the same generation. This flesh is only temporary, it is the temple of God. You are not this flesh, thus why you are given a new body after the resurrection if one passes judgement. You are your soul. That could be eternal if you pass judgement. And again, a generation doesn't have to be parent to child. It is a person's discrecion on what they deam to be a "generation". Our sociaty, deams parent to child a generation. But that is cause we are here on this Earth in this flesh a short period of time. That does not mean God deams that a generation. Thus scriptures will say "These things will come to pass in this generation" ect ect and it could be thousands of years, even possibly millions of years. But still in that generation. |
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Jesus never sat on the throne of David and ruled in his lifetime so why would they believe him to be the messiah. Also where does it state in the Old Testament that a messiah gets a second chance on earth to fullfil the prophecies he should have done the first time. Also where does it state in the old testament that the messiah shall rise from the dead on the 3rd day? Let me guess "it's a christian thang" Jesus never sat on the throne of David and ruled in his lifetime so why would they believe him to be the messiah. There is only one way for a "life time" to end. And that is to die and not have eternal life through Jesus Christ. Jesus is not "dead", he resurrected on the third day. His "lifetime" is not over, he still has abundant life. Also where does it state in the Old Testament that a messiah gets a second chance on earth to fullfil the prophecies he should have done the first time. May I ask what exactly you're speaking of? All the old testament prophecies have been fulfilled. The new testament prophecies are in the process of being fulfilled. Exactly what prophecies are you speaking of that he didn't fulfill that should have been? Also where does it state in the old testament that the messiah shall rise from the dead on the 3rd day? There is none specifically from the old testament, that I know of. But there were prophecies made of this happening, for example - John 2:19-21 19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body. Matthew 16:28 Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom. Matthew 24:34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. Luke 21:32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place well i haven't seen any 2,000 year old jews yet Matthew 16:28 Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom. Death occurs at judgement. When one is judged and either receive the gift of eternal life or death. Matthew 24:34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. We are still in that generation. We are in the generation of this world. When speaking on a level of eternity and what not, a generation isn't just parent to child. That is only a generation to us, for that is all we have while walking this Earth right now. Luke 21:32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place Same as with the Matthew verse. This is still the same generation. This flesh is only temporary, it is the temple of God. You are not this flesh, thus why you are given a new body after the resurrection if one passes judgement. You are your soul. That could be eternal if you pass judgement. And again, a generation doesn't have to be parent to child. It is a person's discrecion on what they deam to be a "generation". Our sociaty, deams parent to child a generation. But that is cause we are here on this Earth in this flesh a short period of time. That does not mean God deams that a generation. Thus scriptures will say "These things will come to pass in this generation" ect ect and it could be thousands of years, even possibly millions of years. But still in that generation. Generation - The average period, generally considered to be about thirty years, during which children grow up and have children of their own Notice, "generally considered". That infers that it's not a set in stone amount of time. It's the descretion of whom is calling it a "generation". We know not specifically how long God deams a "generation". |
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Cowboy the only thing i have gotten out of this entire thread is how F u c ked up christianity is and how i'm proud to be an atheist.Good Luck in your faith you'll need it.
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Cowboy the only thing i have gotten out of this entire thread is how F u c ked up christianity is and how i'm proud to be an atheist.Good Luck in your faith you'll need it. Thank you, would you mind going a bit more in depth on how you feel it's *****ed up as you claim. This is the thread for it and all. Just couriouse on your perspective on thing. |
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Cowboy the only thing i have gotten out of this entire thread is how F u c ked up christianity is and how i'm proud to be an atheist.Good Luck in your faith you'll need it. I have to laugh at your use of verses out of context. They are predictions of future events and those who witness those events shall not perish. Your reading comprehension seems to be severely lacking... |
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And you complete a law when it only has power for a certain amount of time. Weather it be for a time span eg., a year, a day, ect. Or till something happens in specifics. Thus we have - Cowboy...Jesus said that he did not come to change the laws...he was referring to Jewish laws.... trying to prove that Jesus wasn't Jewish or that his teachings weren't based on and quoted from Jewish Scripture is the same as you denying Jesus ... Jesus clearly weren't Christian .....Jesus didn't refer to any of his followers as being Christian...and as you guys keep constantly pointing out Christianity does not exist anywhere in the bible all the facts points to the followers of Jesus as being Jewish |
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He wasn't trying to convince anyone he was the messiah. He said he was, that's it. funny how Jesus didn't said it to Pontious Pilate .....even when asked Jesus did not take his drama to Rome...even you have given him the attitude that if he states something "that's it" this is just an example of how he preyed on his own people causing discord among them... which would have got many killed if Rome intervened his crucifixion saved the Jewish State from civil war and probably from being genocide by Rome |
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This flesh is only temporary, it is the temple of God. You are not this flesh, Cowboy...claiming that you are not this flesh is to deny who you are and what God created you to be.... the flesh forms what will one day after death be the spirit ..the flesh is part of the test that will determine whether you will be tossed into Heaven as a slave or tossed into The lake Fire to burn |
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